Four UN Observers Killed in Israeli Air Raid on Their Base

[sabra]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L25246781.htm

25 Jul 2006 21:03:24 GMT
Source: Reuters

FOUR UN OBSERVERS KILLED IN ISRAELI AIR RAID ON THEIR BASE IN S. LEBANON-LEBANESE SECURITY SOURCES

[High Plains]

1. Oops, sorry about that.

[TomInTib]

3. Everyone knows those bases shelter Hezbollah.

And they get there in ambulances.

[saigon68]

96. ITS KINDASLEEZY'S WAY of telling the UN to go fuck themselves

A message delivered from 20,000 feet.

[goforit]

109. Hmmm, I guess you can say the same about the area where you live.

Paranoia running amok!

[ShortnFiery]

8. Waaa? Bastards got in OUR way! Perhaps they are also complicit?

:puke:

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[saigon68]

95. Au Revoir voyez-vous

[WatchWhatISay]

4. Accident.

:nuke: :grr: :nuke:

[mike_c]

5. hmmm..., sounds like the U.S.S. Liberty all over again....

Those pesky, inconvenient neutral observers. That was an "accident" too.

[Zynx]

10. You really believe Israel intentionally targeted U.N. observers?

[Spazito]

13. Well, let's put it this way....

It seems their "pin-point accuracy" we keep hearing about is either hitting a lot of targets accurately or there is an inordinate number of bombs hitting and killing innocent civilians and, now, even UN observers and ambulances due to oops.

Which one is it? Either they are indiscriminately bombing or they are hitting the targets they are pinpointing.

[LostinVA]

16. I posted the same thing like a nano second later than you...

[katty]

52. exactly

[Zynx]

112. Pin-point accuracy is way way way overrated.

Also, it is only as pin-point as the people on the ground and command and control centers make it. We all make mistakes. In war, little mistakes happen to kill people.

[LostinVA]

15. Do you think it was their much self-lauded "Precision Targeting"?

You have to pick one or the other, and they both lead to the same place... or, you can just say they are apparently just bombing the hell out of anything without checking to see what it is they're bombing... which also leads to the same place...

They can spin spin spin all they want, as can their apologists. They jumped the shark days and days ago.

[Spazito]

17. LOL, GMTA! n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. So 'precision', it took 14 shots to hit the post

"One aerial bomb directly impacted the building and shelter in the base of the United Nations Observer Group in Lebanon in the area of Khiam," said Milos Strugar, a UNIFIL spokesman.

"There are casualties among the observers. A UNIFIL dispatched rescue team which is on the spot is still unable to clear the rubble," he said.

"There were 14 other incidents of firing close to this position in the afternoon from the Israeli side and the firing continued during the rescue operation," he said.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-07-25T214108Z_01_L25314960_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-LEBANON-UN.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C1-TopStories-newsOne-3

Good to know they kept on firing, too, to hinder any rescue.

[katty]

53. It's ONLY Precise when PR is OK-Bad PR,Bad Hit: Imprecise

[liberalhistorian]

80. BINGO!

Sometimes I think the Israel-no-matter-what crowd must be wearing some special type of glasses that completely distorts reality and goes into automatic spin mode in things like this. Either that, or I want some of what they're smoking!

[Scurrilous]

18. As long as it's not 'intentional'...

...I guess we can't complain. Carry on! :thumbsup:



Attack on UN Compound at Qana, 18 April 1996

<snip>

"The head quarters compound of the Fijian battalion of UNIFIL in Qana was attacked by IDF artillery shortly after 2pm on 18 April. At the time, there were over 800 Lebanese civilians inside the compound; 102 of them were killed and hundreds were wounded. In addition, four UNIFIL personnel were wounded.

Eye-witness accounts and television pictures of the attack and resulting devastation shocked people around the world. The UN Secretary-General, Boutros Boutros-Ghali, immediately sent his Military Adviser to investigate the incident and to identify steps that could be taken to prevent a recurrence. The resulting report of Major-General Franklin van Kappen, formally transmitted to the UN Security Council on 7 May 1996, concluded:

While the possibility cannot be ruled out completely, it is unlikely that the shelling of the United Nations compound was the result of gross technical and/or procedural errors."

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE150421996#UKB

[mike_c]

22. in a word, yes....

What makes you think they didn't? U.N. observer positions are VERY clearly marked.

[me b zola]

98. Not only were they clearly marked...

...but on cnn today there was a converstation with someone from the UN (I don't recall who). That person stated that at the outbreak of hostilities the UN was in communication with Israel to make sure that the UN observers would be safe where they were, that they would not be targetted. Israel gave their word that the UN outpost would be safe. :grr:

Yeah, this was intentional and it is a war crime.

[LivingInTheBubble]

32. And they just happen to hit multiple ambulances too

[jonnyblitz]

34. yes.nt

[zreosumgame]

44. do you honestly believe

they were not perfectly aware of where that post was? Well, there is this bridge for sale too...

[Zynx]

111. You know perfectly well that spotters on the ground make mistakes.

We hit our own troops all the time in well known and established positions.

[mikelgb]

114. oh, well it is ok then n/t

[leQ]

46. a yes vote over here too... cbs is reporting "apparently" intentional

given taht the much lauded (someone else's words) accuracy to pinpoint their targets, how can you believe that they didn't know about a UN peacekeeper presence?

[Marie26]

62. Why would they do that?

It sure looks like a direct hit. But I can't figure out why they would do this intentionally. It'll heighten international condemnation, alienate the UN, & make it harder for the US to support Israel. So what's the benefit?

[LostinVA]

69. To get out UN observers? It's the only think I can think of

[Marie26]

72. Sounds right

But they supposedly want a UN/multi-national force to occupy the "buffer zone" in S. Lebanon. How is that going to happen if they keep angering the UN? Maybe they're just lying about that & want Israel to occupy the land themselves - but they still wouldn't need to bomb the UN building to do that. It reminds me a lot of what US troops did during Fallujah - not allowing journalists to enter the city, keeping out humanitarian aid & international organizations. All to keep independent observers out. I'm worried that there is a massacre in store here. Really.

[LostinVA]

100. That's what I'm thinking, too...

[liberalhistorian]

82. To remove U.N. observers

from their post so that they are unable to report on the many Israeli violations occurring at any given minute. It's just that simple. And since they have the backing and sympathy of the United States, and the U.N. is not too popular with the current USA government, I'm sure they're quite confident they can get away with it. And the sad thing is that they're probably right.

[rman]

102. My pet theory

is that Hezbollah isn't exactly what it is made out to be.

It would not be the first time that terrorist attacks ascribed to some "radical" anti-establishment group are (at least in part) false flag operations.


Gladio - BBC Timewatch (1992)
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_CIA.htm
Three-part series investigating the secret activities of 'stay behind' units in Europe after the Second World War. Exposes the clandestine terrorist activities of these groups in Belgium & Italy, and their involvement with the CIA. Directed by Allan Francovich.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio

[Marie26]

105. Eh.

Hizbollah's been around a long, long, time. Since the Lebanese civil war, at least. So Israel created an Islamic militia to build a flght of missiles & harass n. Israel for 20 years? To capture Israeli soldiers, build Islamic propaganda & hatred of Israel, & bomb Israeli embassies? To justify an invasion 20 years later? Please. Maybe you should inform Iran, Syria & the Shiite Muslims that have supported Hizbollah about it's "super-secret" origins.

[rman]

107. To justify ongoing conflict.

Manufactured enemies always come in handy.

I'm not saying this is the case with Hezbollah, i'm saying there are a well documented precedents.
Red Army Faction, among others. Would the Italian Secret Service bomb Italian train stations and blame it on the Italian Left? Well, they did. The so called militant/extreme/radical Left is a creation of secret agencies. Uncovered by multiple congressional and judicial investigations. And that's just one example.
All i can say is that the BBC isn't into far-fetched tinfoil hattery.

[Marie26]

108. Spare me. nt

[Marie26]

106. dupe. nt

[w4rma]

59. I have no doubt they intentionally targeted them. It was hit by both

artillery *and* bombs from aircraft, coordinated.

[jayfish]

60. The UN Thinks So:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/25/mideast.main/index.html

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said he was "deeply distressed" by the "apparently deliberate" strike.

"This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long-established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiyam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire," he said in a statement.

"Furthermore, General Alain Pelligrini, the U.N. force commander in south Lebanon, had been in repeated contact with Israeli officers throughout the day on Tuesday, stressing the need to protect that particular U.N. position from attack."

Jay

[TripeOmatic]

64. Absolutely! Helo-oo, they claim to know exactly what they're hitting.

You really believe they would lie about their precision targeting?

[NeoConsSuck]

68. Yes

And I also believe American soldiers intentionally shot at the car Italian journalists were riding in two years ago.

So I guess I'm just a run-of-the-mill anti-semetic commie pinko bastard. :sarcasm:

[Star]

70. Kofi Anan thinks so

"I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defense Forces of a U.N. Observer post in southern Lebanon," Annan said in the statement.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14029827/

[liberalhistorian]

79. Oh, give me a fucking break!

You cannot possibly believe that it was an accident? PLEASE tell me you cannot possibly believe that the Israeli military would not have known it was a U.N. post with observers present? Oh, let me guess. It was really just a Hezbollah post made to look like a U.N. post, and the observers were really Hezbollah fighters in disguise. Yeah, right. You Israel-no-matter-what people have really gone off the deep end now. I think I'm going to start putting ALL of you on ignore.

[lumpy]

89. The UN administrater

in charge of the UN post well advised the IDF their position; precaution out the window; sure looks like either the IDF commanders/pilots are inept or they are giving the UN the finger as they have been known to do. I will never forget the USS Lincoln attack. No excuse for that one.

[Zynx]

113. The accuracy on modern weapons is very overrated.

In addition, spotters on the ground make mistakes. Under the heat of combat, judgement lapses.

[proud2BlibKansan]

90. Yes I do

[lse7581011]

101. YEP! n/t

[patcox2]

104. Yes, absolutely I believe it. You think Israeli intel is that bad?

Sure they targeted them, you can't do ethnic cleansing with UN observers around.

[BooScout]

110. Yes I do....

What other explanation is there to the fact that they had called the Israelis 10 times and told them their bombs were getting too close. What about Olmert's assurances they were safe? What about the fact that their postion was a long time known UN Observation post?

What really sickens me is people who continue to think the damned Israelis can do no fucking wrong.

[Cooley Hurd]

76. My first thought was of the USS Liberty, as well...

:grr:

[Megahurtz]

6. Niiiice......

:sarcasm:

[BillZBubb]

7. The UN supports Hezbollah so they are fair targets!

No, wait, Hezbollah are cowards and hide among the UN, that's it! No, Hezbollah wear stolen UN uniforms! Ah, what the hell, Israel does not target the UN.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Not to worry: it wasn't "intended"

:eyes:

When will Hezbollah stop getting in firefights with the IDF in the South, and when will they stop hiding among the UN observers???:sarcasm:

[Igel]

31. Not among. Just next to.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-lebanon20jul20,0,4733925,full.story

'Hezbollah guerrillas were setting up rocket launchers near U.N. positions, spokesman Milos Strugar said.

'Three of the U.N. stations along the border had been hit by Israeli artillery, and the organization was unable to move desperately needed aid convoys onto roads that were coming under heavy bombardment, he said.'

Any hunches why they might set up rocket launchers near UN positions?

[alcibiades_mystery]

42. To test Israel's "precision" munitions?

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-07-25T213026Z_01_L25314960_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-LEBANON-UN.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsHome-C3-worldNews-2

"One aerial bomb directly impacted the building and shelter in the base of the United Nations Observer Group in Lebanon in the area of Khiam," said Milos Strugar, a UNIFIL spokesman.

Lucky us, same spokesman. Sounds like a pretty direct hit, for trying to hit "next to." Well done.

[Igel]

43. Probably artillery.

Less precise.

And the bases aren't large.

I'll wait for the final report before assigning blame to faulty targeting, wilful killing of Indians there under the UN aegis, or Hezbollah's either assuming that there's safety behind human shields or assuming that the resulting death toll to civilians or UN folk will be automatically imputed to Israel.

[alcibiades_mystery]

49. Oh, I'll wait for the report as well

Since the spokesman you trusted absolutely in your previous post states that it was an "aerial bomb," I'll have to wonder about your "probable" conclusions here. :rofl:

[BillZBubb]

55. Yeah, sure you will. And whatever lies Israel prints you'll buy.

What a joke.

[liberalhistorian]

84. Wow, it must really be nice to go through

life with such a distorted view of reality. Any guesses as to why, then, the self-described "precise aim" of Israeli weapons was suddenly so off in this case? And why, pray tell, did they continue to fire on the post even after the observers went into the bunker and why did they continue to fire ON THE RESCUE TEAM? Get a fucking clue, already.

[lumpy]

86. UN positions clearly marked..clearly marked

clearly marked.. clearly marked. Not the first UN stations bombed by Israel. Forget how many...As well, ambulances, civilian cars trying to get the hell away from bombings. Indiscriminate bombing looks like.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

11. This is insane

I had to double and then triple check this before I accepted it had actually occurred.

[daleo]

12. The plan is to scare off the U.N.

So NATO troops (American proxies) can move in to the region. Eventually the NATO troops will be mostly U.S. troops, and they will be nicely positioned to threaten/invade Syria/Iran.

[Ms. Clio]

24. yes, I think you are right n/t

[Marie26]

66. Except we have no US troops. nt

[daleo]

74. I suspect they could find some

Draft, stop-loss, re-positioning, etc.

Granted, it wouldn't be easy.

[Marie26]

14. Complete article:

Israeli shell hits UN base in S. Lebanon

BEIRUT (Reuters) - An Israeli aerial bomb destroyed a base run by a U.N. observer force in southern Lebanon on Tuesday, causing casualties, a U.N. spokesman said.

"One aerial bomb directly impacted the building and shelter in the base of the United Nations Observer Group in Lebanon in the area of Khiam," said Milos Strugar, spokesman for the UNIFIL peacekeeping force in the area.

"There are casualties among the observers. A UNIFIL dispatched rescue team which is on the spot is still unable to clear the rubble."

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-07-25T204641Z_01_L25314960_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-LEBANON-UN.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsHome-C3-worldNews-3

[MsKandice01]

19. The Freepers are jumping for joy over this news...

Sick fucks.

[Endangered Specie]

20. Well, at least they didn't hit the Chinese embassy

:sarcasm:

[unda cova brutha]

21. the killing just never ends.

we can all thank * for this mess he got us into.

[God Almighty]

23. I guess Israel has declared war on the UN

If it used the same standards as the Israeli government, the UN would now bomb Israel. No, wait. Lebanon did not bomb Israel. So, the UN would be more justified in taking out Israel than Israel is in doing what it is now doing.

[leesa]

61. Cripes now Israel will want to occupy the UN building for 18 years I

suppose. Oh yes, just another oopsie. Just like when US troops kept nailing reporters in Iraq...dang another hotel full of em....oops!

[kamtsa]

25. Friendly fire ...

Casualties from friendly fire happens in any war.

For example, two days ago, 5 Israeli solder got hit by friendly fire.

[Marie26]

26. But they must

know where the UN post is.

[lumpy]

99. The UN post has clearly been in touch

with the Israelis concerning safety concerns and regarding their position. The IDF is well aware of where the UN installation is located. It is very well marked as are UN ambulances. I believe the UN has been in this location for more than several months. There is no excuse for the outrageous assault on this UN post. Israel has gained the reputation for either ignoring these unbiased observors or a military that just doesn't give a damn.

[stepnw1f]

28. Isn't The UN Well-Marked Though? (nt)

[daleo]

30. Israelis killing Israelis is friendly fire

The U.N. are neutral observers. You are minimizing the situation with language that doesn't apply.

[stepnw1f]

33. good catch (nt)

[LivingInTheBubble]

36. Murder, rape, destruction also happen in any war

That doesnt make them right, I suppose it does for you eh.

This isnt friendly fire in any case, the israelis are bombing indiscriminately in lebanon they have been killing innocents every day, most of their fire is killing innocent people.

[ShortnFiery]

39. The "shit happens" excuse doesn't wash for SUPER POWERS.

The World Community is watching, that's why as a military super power, you are responsible for showing RESTRAINT and applying good judgment when selecting your targets. :grr:

[LostinVA]

50. Spin spin spin

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. LOL And you really believe this was friendly fire?

:rofl:

[daleo]

27. I haven't seen anything on BBC or CBC websites yet

Although that doesn't mean it's not true.

It is on CNN website now though.

On edit - Its on the BBC breaking news crawler now.

[Name removed]

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[iconoclastic cat]

37. Taking our neocon/fundie idiots' advice.....nt

[Karmadillo]

38. Reuters update: UN stating had been fourteen incidents of firing on

this position this afternoon. Firing continued during the rescue efforts.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-07-25T213026Z_01_L25314960_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-LEBANON-UN.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsHome-C3-worldNews-2

<edit>

"There are casualties among the observers. A UNIFIL dispatched rescue team which is on the spot is still unable to clear the rubble," he said.

"There were 14 other incidents of firing close to this position in the afternoon from the Israeli side and the firing continued during the rescue operation," he said.

In Jerusalem, an Israeli army spokeswoman said the military was investigating the report.

<edit>

[Zodiak]

40. War is never a solution

how quickly we collectively forget that.

War cannot be controlled. It is a rampaging beast that sweeps up humans in death and violence. It cannot be contained once released. It runs its course, debases both parties involved, and destroys everything in its path. The UN geting attacked is testament to this effect.

The decision to engage in war should never be taken lightly, but once taken, all responsibility for death mayhem, destruction, carnage ,and dehumanization rest squarely on the Pandora that released this force.

War can only be declared by a nation, so which nations can be blamed for unleashing war in the middle East (that's unleashing, not provoking)?

[ShortnFiery]

41. WAR, in and of itself, is TERRORISM eom

[kamtsa]

54. Exactly, Washington and Churchill were completly wrong!

[Zodiak]

56. Washington took full responsbility for the war

because, of course, it was his citizens primarily being killed and he had to live in the country after the war was fought. Also Churchill didn't unleash that particular war, if I recall. That distinction lies with Hitler.

[LeftCoast]

45. Nevermind...can't find the quote inside the article

Ignore.

[Disturbed]

47. This is surely not an accident.

What is the purpose?

[lonestarnot]

48. oops. What's a few more.

:sarcasm:

[DisgustedTX]

51. Israel: "THEY WOULD HAVE ATTACKED WITH ROCKETS!"

:sarcasm:

Pure Bush filth.

[uppityperson]

57. oh damn it all to hel

damn them damn them damn them what the hell do they think they are doing how could this ever play as a positive thing you are NOT supposed to bomb UN especially in known well marked UN places just the same as you are NOT supposed to bomb ambulances damn them all

[Pale Blue Dot]

58. Just like when we "accidentally" bombed Al-Jazerra

:eyes:

[Straight Shooter]

63. A friend of mine, usually phlegmatic or cynical, called me about this.

If anything, he has always staunchly defended Israel. Not this time. He was appalled.

Major FUBAR up one side and down the other as far as this air raid is concerned.

[alcibiades_mystery]

67. This particular attack is sign and symptom of the entire campaign

Publically reckless.

Unfortunately for the Israelis, the entire thing is backfiring in the most grotesque way. That they continue on this course seems to indicate that a general insanity has prevailed in the Israeli state apparatus. They're driving off the cliff, damn near gleefully.

[HuffleClaw]

65. fleeing civilians, ambulances, the un...

whats next? a busload of nuns and a box of kittens?

though why they'd do this while at the same time demanding the 'international community' run to their aid by doing THEIR work (policing the land they are stealing) is beyond me.

[Spazito]

71. Canadian among UN observers feared dead in southern Lebanon

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has called upon the Israeli government to launch an investigation into an air strike that killed as many as four UN peacekeepers — one a Canadian — in southern Lebanon on Tuesday.

"I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces of a UN observer post in southern Lebanon that has killed two UN military observers, with two more feared dead," Annan said from Rome.

The bomb made a direct hit on the building and shelter of the observer post in the town Khiyam near the eastern end of the border with Israel, said Milos Struger, spokesman for the UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon known as UNIFIL. Canada is not a member of UNIFIL.

Trapped in the rubble

The other victims are from Austria, China and Finland. A UN official in New York City, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said four people were confirmed killed, while Lebanese security officials said two bodies remained trapped in the rubble.

more

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/07/25/un-lebanon.html

[Marie26]

73. A Canadian soldier's report from South Lebanon

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060718/mideast_lebanon_UN_060716/20060718/

[Spazito]

77. Oh geez, Marie26, that is most likely the one killed

I had missed that article, thank you for posting it, somehow reading it, knowing that the person who wrote it less than a week ago, has most likely been killed by the bombs.

Edited to correct poor sentence structure.

[daleo]

75. So, that would be 9 Canadians in all

You wonder if Harper didn't piss someone off high in the Israeli government (I know, it is too conspiratorial). Maybe it is a neo-con loyalty test - you have to prove you are willing to bleed for the cause of empire.

[Spazito]

78. I am certainly waiting to see how long it takes him to respond...

and in how many words he can dismiss this death as he did the others.

[daleo]

81. The wingnuts won't be able to accuse him of having dual citizenship

And imply that he had it coming for not being sufficiently loyal. Harper will blame Hezbollah.

[Spazito]

85. Looks like this is definitive proof that harper is, indeed, one of the

wingnuts:

"Harper also said the government intends to look closely at the rights and responsibilities of dual Canadian citizens.

Some politicians and Lebanese evacuees have contended that long-standing Lebanese residents with Canadian citizenship were taking advantage of Canadian evacuation efforts.

Harper noted that the government made no distinction "on this particular occasion" between passport holders who normally reside in Canada and those residing in Lebanon."

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=d5655c82-7c10-48af-8994-f1800b2c5d90&k=99782

[daleo]

87. Imagine next emergency

Soldiers can be checking passports at the dock, directing some people onto the ship and others away from the ship, based on whether or not they have dual citizenship (loyalty test). In some families, half of the children might have been born in Canada, half in the previous country of citizenship. Parents and children, brothers and sisters will have to go their separate ways, some to safety and some back to the bombs.

Do wingnuts really want a future like that? Don't they ever think things through?

[Spazito]

88. Yes, they want a future with no "dual-citizenship citizens" aka

non-white immigrants and that is what they see as "thinking things through", sad and disgusting as it is.

[daleo]

94. The irony is, the countries with the greatest numbers of dual citizens

From 1997 data, were U.S., U.K., Poland, Italy and Portugal. So, it is by no means restricted to non-white immigrants. I suspect plenty of corporate people and other big shots find it more convenient to have dual citizenship, for example.

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/971104/d971104.htm

Canadians with dual citizenship
Only a small proportion of the population in 1996, about 3%, had dual or multiple citizenship, up from 2% in 1991. Dual or multiple citizenship refers to holding citizenship in two or more countries. Canada has recognized dual citizenship since 1977.

Most people with dual citizenship were naturalized Canadian citizens who had retained the citizenship of their country of birth, or of another country. In 1996, one in every five naturalized Canadians (17%) had dual citizenship with Canada. The countries of citizenship most likely to be held, along with Canada, were the United Kingdom, Poland, Italy, the United States and Portugal.

[Spazito]

97. LOL, I was thinking just that....

When harper starts "studying" the dual-citizen issue, he will find that any changes he would like to make will affect US citizens and, being bush's next best buddy now, that will never do.

[KoKo]

83. I keep PRAYING that INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY will STAND UP

and FIGHT! Under George the Emperor/Hitler WannaBE we need HELP. If our own Congress can't stop this guy then we need more. With four UN Team Killed and their offices bombed...how MUCH MORE before WE GET HELP?

And...John Bolton is ready to be "ramrodded through" later this week. After a Bush Recess Appointment was the only way he could get into the UN he wanted to dissolve, the guy gets another chance!

Can't our Dems hold TOUGH and throw this guy out? Could Bush recess appoint anyone WORSE? Could he nominate anyone Worse if we get rid of Bolton? SURE, he Could...there are tons of RW/Christian Fundies who HATE THE UN as much as Bolton waiting in the wings.

BUT...it would be TAKING A STAND agains BUSH IMPERIAL P-RESIDENCY IF OUR DEMS STOOD UP and Booted Bolton ...the "Recess Appointment!" Would show our little DICTATOR/EMPEROR that his clothes are becoming more and more transparent for ALL OUR EYES! :shrug:

[pokercat999]

91. If they were killed then it's obvious

THEY WERE TERRORISTS! :sarcasm:

[Penndems]

93. Not good. Not good AT ALL.

One of the conditions for a cease-fire the Israelis asked for was a U.N. peacekeeping force along the Israel-Lebanon border.

This incident is gonna make it a lot harder to get it. The United Nations won't send peacekeepers if the Israelis can't guarantee their safety.

[Roland99]

103. If NBC showed right video, the bldg pretty much stands alone in the area.

VERY hard to mistake it, imho.