Israel won't ask U.S. for special war aid

[Scurrilous]

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"Israel will not make a request for special U.S. aid for the war in the North, according to senior government sources.

The decision not ask the Americans for additional help was made in spite of the tremendous pressures on the budget, and in spite of the fact that for the first time in many years the budget framework may be exceeded in 2007.

There were three reasons behind the decision not to ask the U.S. for additional aid. First, the failure last year to obtain any special aid for the disengagement from Gaza − which initially stood at NIS 1.15 billion. This failure showed that the Americans − with their own enormous budget deficits − were in no hurry to pass further aid for Israel, even when the cause was justified.

Another reason is that Israel does not want to be seen as begging for a handout. There are serious worries that this would harm Israel's economic image in the world; after years of presenting Israel as a strong and stable economy, and an attractive destination for foreign investors.

The third reason, and probably the most important, is that Israel wants to start negotiating with the U.S. over future aid − and it wants to start off from a position of strength."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/742786.html

[shadowknows69]

1. Now that we've already shipped them bombs.

Ok you heard them Bush. No more. Oh I get it now:

"The third reason, and probably the most important, is that Israel wants to start negotiating with the U.S. over future aid − and it wants to start off from a position of strength."
They actually want more...just later.

[Robbien]

2. Negotiating from a position of strength?

What in the heck does the US get out of giving Israel seven or so billon dollars a year? I don't get it.

[AlamoDemoc]

3. We are hooked. We need to give, and give and give until Israelis say

............enough!

[shadowknows69]

4. The "we helped God's chosen" Medal awarded at judgement day

n/t

[ronnie624]

23. That struck me as particularly strange also.

If you start "negotiating" with absolutely nothing to offer, where does the strength come from?

[shadowknows69]

32. Whatever clamp they have on our leader's collective balls

and/or ovaries to be PC for our Women representatives.

[Tellurian]

18. The reason is: They've already gotten their aid...prolly in December..

when they put their order in (so they say) for the smart bombs..

That whole article is a misleading pack of lies. The usual Pavlovian tripe
passed on by this WH in an effort to sooth the masses. Like in MI and LA!

[saddemocrat]

19. you took the words

right out of my mouth!

[mom cat]

33. Bingo! We already shipped them the DU laden bunker busters.

They are satisfied for the moment. After all, it is the fourth largest military in the worls. They don't need a bakesale for bullets, like our own troops do.

[Just Me]

44. No shit! Expeditiously, no less! Good God!!!! *mind roasting* n/t

[TomInTib]

5. Well, isn't that "special"?

BOHICA

Bend Over Here It Comes Again

[Behind the Aegis]

6. Typical stupid comments here...

:puke:

[w4rma]

12. Folks are ticked off at what you guys are letting the neo-cons in Israel

do. What do you expect? This isn't making Israel any safer. Just like the last time they blew up Lebanon didn't make them safer, nor did the time before that. It's **only** long term effect will be to create a new generation of "terrorists" who are all angry at Israel and anybody who helps Israel.

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[HuffleClaw]

7. "Israel does not want to be seen as begging for a handout."

hahahhaha.

the don't 'beg'. they demand. and god help any senator or congress critter who goes against aid to israel. what a joke.

[saigon68]

8. Simply aiding "Our Thugs" in a Religious Battle between 2 sets

Of Thuggish Killers and Murderers of children.

[LiberalVoice]

9. Awww, thanks Israel nt

[magellan]

10. Thanks! In return, we won't ask for a ceasefire.

Need more bombs?

[Cooley Hurd]

11. Israel won't (publicly) ask U.S. for special war aid

If Israel is fighting this on the behest of the US (to goad Syria and Iran into an open war), they'll get US help, but we just won't hear about it in the papers...

[adriennui]

13. israel fights alone

however the US gives aid to many countries and most importantly to allies (egypt receives 2.5-3 billion dollars.

israelis are some of the bravest, self reliant people ....never whine, never shout....they use their intellect and humanity to fight a war against monsters who believe homicide bombing civilians is the way to paradise. ( personal message to these "martyrs" you're on your way to hell".)

[ima_sinnic]

14. and wantonly bombing Lebanese civilians is the way to -- ?

... and they don't even NEED to "ask" for bombs, the U.S. warmongers can't fall over themselves fast enough to keep them coming.

[bennywhale]

15. hmmmm "...they use their intellect and humanity to fight

a war against monsters who believe homicide bombing civilians is the way to paradise..."

For a start why homicide bomber???? That just means someone who plants a bomb to kill other people. Suicide bomber distinguishes between this type of bombing and the type where the person straps explosives to themselves????

The IRA were homicide bombers, so were ETA, in fact so are most armies who kill people with boms.

Anyway back to your original. They use their intellect and humanity. No they use their wrath, anger and prejudice to punish those opposed to them and those in the way. They have killed hundreds of Lebanese through vengeance, negligence and total disregard for human life. The IDF views Arabs with such contempt it oozes from the statistics, and they are currently involved in the collective punishment of a people.

Intellectr????? They are driven by their emotions and almost every policy regarding security and foreign policy is counterproductive

[adriennui]

16. why, homicide?

they deliberately slaughter civilians, as far as the bombers death....i don't give a shit. he's beneath contempt.

[bennywhale]

20. Yes, but many methods "..deliberately slaughter civilians." Using the

term suicide bomber distinguishes between the methods of bombing.

To let emotion get in the way of analysis is pointless. Its suicide bombing

[ima_sinnic]

22. "homicide bomb" is redundant

a bomb blows up and kills people, right?
woiuld you say "homicide murderer"?
"homicide bomb" is a dumb@$$ talking point right out of the dumbest of the dumb@$$es' scripts, Neal "Whiner" Boortz.
So very nice of you to listen to him "so we don't have to," but you can save yourself the trouble of "innocently" passing along his hateful BS around here.

[jonnyblitz]

34. "homicide bomber" is a term Faux News coined...

You know,the station that these pro-war types get their info from.

[adriennui]

35. you think you know everything

funny, i've never been pro-war, until the islamic countries began their lies about jews and arab bombers began their attacks on israel, decades ago. i finally realized the handwriting on the wall.

whoopee!!!!!!!!!!i'm jewish, i support israel...i'm detested as a human being.

i don't care, i know i'm correct to care for my people (no one else does). one can't negotiate with these "militant muslim groups". they are irrational.

[BillZBubb]

38. And you are irrational.

Your post just proves it. The Arabs say the same thing about the Israelis that you say about the Arabs. And both are correct.

Israel wants to hold on to the land grabbed in 1967. The Palestinians want it back. Until Israel gives it back, they will have to fight.

Why do you think Arab bombers began attacking Israelis? Do you ever think?

[adriennui]

41. israel didn't "grab" the land

to the victor go the spoils. perhaps, if israels' neighbors hadn't started a war there wouldn't have been a transfer of land.

[bennywhale]

52. "...to the victor go the spoils." That

is the motto of meglomaniacs, imperialists and War mongerers, it should not be the attitude of a country who claims to be a democracy like Israel.

Democracies go to war to restore peace, avert terrible threats to the world like WW1 WW2. do you think that America should 'keep' Iraq as part of their 'spoils' of war???

No matter who the aggressor, you shouldn't profit from war, in fact its illegal. When britain twice declared war on Germany in defence of other nations it lost millions of men, ruined its economy and standing in the world and suffered untold damage to its cities, it did not claim any spoils of war, grab any land or steal another peoples country. Why should Israel????

Your post is very revealing of your mindset

[adriennui]

53. mindsets

are very pronounced here on DU.

[theanarch]

39. the most serviable definition of a "terrorist"...

...i've heard is: a man who has a bomb, but not an air force.

[plasticsundance]

21. The US gives Israel the most money ...

About 3 billion dollars. Egypt is second. The CIA courted Nasser. No other countries outside these two nations get anywhere near this much money.

You're also forgetting that Israel asked the US once before in 2002, but were rejected.

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Israel has reiterated its request for billions of dollars in U.S. aid to offset expenses incurred in fighting its war against terrorism over the last 27 months. It says the money will also help it prepare for a likely U.S.-led offensive against Iraq, a senior official said here on Wednesday.

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz presented the request for some $12 billion in military aid and loan guarantees during meetings with top administration officials in Washington on Tuesday. According to Israel radio, Israel wants $4 billion in military aid and the rest in the form of loan guarantees.)

Israel Asks For Billions To Offset Cost of US Military Strike

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[IA_Seth]

27. Damn, their intellect sure is destructive!

I coulda swore I saw leveled buildings and civilian corpses, but perhaps that was their intellect and humanity at work and I was mistaken....sure looked like violence.

[Critters2]

45. They can bend spoons with their minds

spoons, ten-story buildings, and UN observation posts.

Powerful intellects those!

[adriennui]

47. i've seen leveled buildings and corpses as well

all by the hands of the religion of pieces. unless islam is brought out of the ninth century we're all going to pay.

[entanglement]

37. Pure Israeli supremacism

You guys are racists, period

[Critters2]

43. Israel never whines, never shouts .....self-reliant

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Give me 7 billion dollars. I'd like to be self-reliant.

[IA_Seth]

54. exactly...

7 billion dollars and an automatic veto at the UN...pretty self-reliant!

[jpak]

48. "homocide bombing"

Who concocted THAT term??????

[ShortnFiery]

56. FAUX News, Ari Flesher was the first Politico to TRY and make the

term stick.

Unfortunately for the Neo-Cons, that term "Homicide Bomber" is only used religiously on FOX News Networks.

[ShortnFiery]

55. Yes, but in all sincerity ...

Israel needs to learn to trust and listen more ...

We haven't been able check the "plays well with other nations" BOX for decades now regarding the behavior of Israeli Government.

IMO, both Israel and the USA needs more Diplomats vice Political Hawks in positions of power.

Like they say about FAME can also be said of "world dominance": you are going to the see the same people (nations) on your way DOWN the ladder - as on the way UP, i.e., it pays to make numerous allies and working network contacts among nations.

[LiberalVoice]

57. "intellect and humanity to fight a war against monsters"

Oh for fucks sake. Thats the biggest pile of bullshit i've ever heard. In EVERY CONFLICT since I can remember who has killed more civilians? Israel or Hammas? Israel or Hezbollah? I dont know how you can even make that statment without reading it to yourself, thinking about it for a split second and then hitting the backspace. :puke:

[Jacobin]

17. They won't ask....We'll just give it to them

and we already have

[patcox2]

24. But they will wink and raise their eyebrows.

And we will send bales of cash and big huge bombs by fedex.

[donkeyotay]

29. They might even ask tough questions... Ha! But not in public.

If only we made bribery illegal again, we might get a government concerned with the welfare of the people it represents.

[Little Star]

49. Fake pride.....

Isn't that like fake peace?

[schmuls]

25. ?!? Why? "Israel doesn't want to be seen as begging for a

handout" Did I miss something here? We give Israel millions or is it billions every year. I'm sorry, but I've posted this to the DU on different forums and I can't figure it out...unless some kind of blackmail is going on here. It just makes me so physically sick when the people * is supposed to be protecting here are suffering so much economically. I'm not against Israel or Jews, but it just doesn't make sense. Someone said earlier, do not support any politician who supports the AIPAC. Is this so easy to track?

[ronnie624]

28. The situation you lament

is a system of graft, corruption, and quasi-legal bribery called lobbying, and those who lobby for Israel are among the wealthiest and most powerful. As long as our "elected" representatives are bought and paid for by corporate and special interest lobbyists, such as AIPAC, there is no hope for genuine democracy in this country.

[donkeyotay]

30. Well said. nt

[redqueen]

31. what a joke... what a nightmare. n/t

[leesa]

36. Oh Honey, you don't need to ask...

[saskatoon]

40. why the fuck would we give them money for being war mongers

SHEEESH!

[Critters2]

46. I dunno why, but we do eom

[Lilith Velkor]

51. So they can buy weapons from us

:think:

[goforit]

50. With Lieberman in their pocket who would need anything else.

[gulliver]

58. Israel negotiating with us from a "position of strength?"

Exactly what do we owe Israel? We support them like family, but it's we who support them, not the other way around. Politicians in this country act like the divorced parents of a teenager. They compete to see who can wax most devoted to Israel. Meanwhile, spoiled Israel raises hell and doesn't appreciate a dime of what it is given. It just plays U.S. Dems against Republicans to get its way.

Why are we giving them any "aid" at all? If they are an "ally," then what is their contribution to the alliance? Those questions should be asked, along with the question: What has Bush done to the value of the American/Israeli alliance?

America is just paying and paying and paying through the nose to keep Bush and the GOP politically alive. They are throwing our money at the problems they caused.

[raysr]

59. They don't have to ask

they'll automatically get it.

[and-justice-for-all]

60. Thats a goddamn lie!

The special aid has already been fulfilled....Its called Armorments, like preloaded F-16s with computer guided missles and other ballistics which they have bought or were supplied with by the US.

So, of course they dont need food drops or medical supplies...The US supplies Israel with ALL of its war toys. Dont be misslead.