Zawahri: We must fight 'Zionists and crusaders'

[rfranklin]

Zawahri: We must fight 'Zionists and crusaders'
Al-Qaida's second in command weighs in on Mideast conflict in new video BREAKING NEWS

Updated: 3 minutes ago
CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida’s No. 2 leader warned in a new videotape released Thursday that the terrorist group would not stand idly by while Israeli bombardments “burn our brothers” in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.

In the message broadcast by Al-Jazeera television, Ayman al-Zawahri, second in command to Osama bin Laden, said that al-Qaida now saw “all the world as a battlefield open in front of us.”

The Egyptian-born physician said the Hezbollah and Palestinian battles against Israel would not be ended with “cease-fires or agreements.” The fighting began last month following a Palestinian cross-border raid in which an Israeli soldier was captured, then expanded to Lebanon after Hezbollah militants captured two other soldiers in a raid earlier this month.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14054482/

What a relief! I thought he had been killed again.

[Sherman A1]

1. Oh I don't know

hadn't he been captured about 37 times or so?

[Igel]

20. Not once.

Keep your guys straight. It's hard, with all those funny names, I know. :eyes:

al-Zawahri/Zawahiri (depending if you want to write the epenthetic i or not) has been AQ's #2 since the '90s, in charge of most operations. UBL is essentially the top dog, and since his 'spiritual advisor', a Muslim cleric, bit the big one he's been functioning as the spiritual and motivational leader of the group. UBL's probably also in charge of big-dog fundraising, as opposed to dealing with institutional representatives to have zakat funneled to individual operations.

[Sherman A1]

56. Thanks, however

I do know who we are discussing. My point was that he had been hoped to have been captured or killed on multiple occasions (hence the rather outlandish number 37 times).

[Recursion]

26. No

You might be thinking of al-Zarqawi (actually, az-Zarqawi, just like az-Zawahiri and as-Sadr, but for some reason in transliteration we keep the ل even though in pronunciation it assimalates). Lots of people have names that in transliteration start with "z".

Zawahiri is an operations director; he runs most of the charitable work and allocates resources for the "martyrdom operations". Basically, he spends the money that OBL raises. Or that's how it looked before we blew our own intel capability on them to hell.

[Karenina]

28. The media put this guy in mothballs

till Zarqawi was "killed." The similarity in names was confusing the sheep who couldn't distinguish 2 boogeymen. They rolled him out briefly after Zarqawi's death which again, confused the sheep further. Now enough time has elapsed that the new product line is being rolled out. It IS August, eh? There will still be confusion but the new, improved bogeyman will take his place front and center.

[OKNancy]

2. rfranklin

Please change your subject line to read:
Zawahri: We must fight 'Zionists and crusaders'

LBN rules state that the article title and subject line must match exactly.

One reason for doing this is to avoid duplicates.

Thanks

OKNancy
LBN Moderator

[LostinVA]

3. I thought he was dead 108 times by now?

[greyl]

9. You must be confusing names.

I can't find any stories that say he was ever killed, can you?

[magellan]

4. Just great

What Iraq looks like now, that's what Lebanon will resemble in a year or two.

[Cooley Hurd]

5. What I found striking about the video...

...it looked like it was filmed on Dick Cavett's old talk show set (w/ large, spot-lit posters hanging behind Zawahri):


I thought that al Qaeda was on the run, hiding from cave to cave? This looked like it was filmed in a studio.

I guess they know the US has given up the hunt.:eyes:

[itzamirakul]

7. Unless this guy is actually an actor, playing the role of Zahwahri, and

being raised from the dead like in a soap opera.

I've had my suspicions since the very beginning that al Quaida is a PNAC, Neocon construct which is pulled out of the old costume trunk whenever the masses of people are not sufficiently fearful of some unnammed, unnamable terror. Like the bogeyman under the bed or the monsters in the closet.

This last video dialogue insures that now, all nations should join in a global FEAR of and war against TERROR!

As I remember, most children who fear the bogeyman and the closet monsters have to grow out of that fear. Maybe we need to grow up to see that there really are no monsters and bogeymen. Just other human beings.

[greyl]

10. Who ever said Zawahri was dead? nt

[0007]

12. Does it even matter? A prop is a prop is a prop!!

"The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that
certain other sets of people are human." Aldous Huxley -(1894-1963

[greyl]

15. Truth matters to me, yes. nt

[0007]

32. ARGH!! Do 'ya believe this as the truth?

Sunday, December 04, 2005
Al Qaeda No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri, died Thursday in an explosion in the North Waziristan tribal area, and his remains were identified in DNA tests, Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said.

Two U.S. counterterrorism officials, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the information's sensitivity, confirmed Rabia's death but would not elaborate on the circumstances.

The officials said Rabia was believed to be an Egyptian and head of Al Qaeda's foreign operations, possibly as senior as the No. 3 official in the terrorist group. That would put him in a tier just below Usama bin Laden and al-Zawahri.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177585,00.html

[Amonester]

54. What?? Again?? And from... FAUX... yes: again... no less...

:wow:

Why are we (still) not surprised? :banghead:

[Amonester]

63. Can't delete the post due to Edit period expired. Although...

it's not like the nutjobs at FAUX never played any of these 'tricks' before... (re.: Zarqawi, amongst 'other' prefabricated lies and propaganda) so in a sense, I'm glad I can't delete it!

There.

[Name removed]

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[0007]

59. What problem do you have with comprehension?

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — One of Al Qaeda's top five leaders, said to be responsible for planning overseas strikes, was killed by Pakistani security forces in a rocket attack near the Afghan border with U.S. help, American and Pakistani officials said Saturday.

Hamza Rabia, a key associate of Al Qaeda No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri, died Thursday in an explosion in the North Waziristan tribal area, and his remains were identified in DNA tests, Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said.

Two U.S. counterterrorism officials, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the information's sensitivity, confirmed Rabia's death but would not elaborate on the circumstances.

The officials said Rabia was believed to be an Egyptian and head of Al Qaeda's foreign operations, possibly as senior as the No. 3 official in the terrorist group. That would put him in a tier just below Usama bin Laden and al-Zawahri.

"He was Al Qaeda's No. 5 and this is what we know," Ahmed told The Associated Press.

Rabia filled the vacuum created this year by the capture of the previous operations chief, Abu Faraj al-Libbi, the two U.S. officials said.

[greyl]

60. Sorry, you've already shown your ass.

Even using a conservative standard, you've shown your ass.
We aren't as gullible as you'd like to believe.

"...don't believe anything the Bush administration tells you. In fact, play it safe: don't believe anything anybody tells you. -George Carlin.
www.georgecarlin.com/home/home.html

[greyl]

57. No, I'm not that fucking stupid

to believe what you said is the truth without checking it out. You're boldness is stunning.

[0007]

66. ....cough cough

[greyl]

67. Does somebody have you by the nuts? nt

[itzamirakul]

19. Excuse me, but over the past few years I believe that I have read and

heard on the news that Zahwari has been captured or killed several times. Then, after killing scores of innocents, he is miraculously revived and left to be shot at again.

Or... Maybe I have him mixed up with someone else. "You know, their names all sound alike to me.":sarcasm:

At any rate, maybe this guy is an understudy for the star....

BOO! Still scared? :)

Try reading the paper written by Mearsheimer and Walt

http://www.londonreviewofbooks.com/v28/n06/mear01_.html

[greyl]

27. You might believe that, but

you might want to look for evidence that your belief is based on fact, eh?

I don't know where you would have read that he was killed.
You may have read that he was possibly killed.

[itzamirakul]

29. Let's say that on one day it would be reported on msm that a house was

bombed or in some way attacked because Zahwari was supposed to be in that house. It was reported that X number of men, women and children also died in said attack.

Then it would be said that his body was not found because it was taken away by some of his supporters, who somehow, miraculously arrived in time to go through the rubble, find his body and cart it away before the attackers could get across the street to the house they had just attacked.

Then, on the third day it would be reported that it was unclear whether or not he had been killed. But the deaths of the innocent children in the house would be justified, because the attackers THOUGHT Zahwari was in the house. And that alone was Reason enough to destroy it and all who resided within. Thus, Zahwari would live only to die again.

These are the reports that we all heard and often laughed about right here on DU, so if you don't remember them, what can I say?

You could look it up...maybe google?

I really don't consider this point important enough for me to try to dig up links for you or anything - so if you want facts...sorry....cause right now you seem to be the only person in this thread questioning his oft-repeated deaths and rebirths in the media.

[greyl]

30. I searched before my first reply.

I haven't said anything that was untrue. I suggest you do a search for your own benefit, if you care.

[itzamirakul]

31. WOW! You must have a pretty important dog in this fight1

Sorry you couldn't find the info. Frankly, I made my point.

[0007]

33. Perhaps a lap dog?

[greyl]

58. There's nothing wrong with accuracy.

If your point is that you are a champion of red herrings, you've made it well.

[AngryAmish]

17. He's a robot

[Teaser]

18. I'm sorry, but your theory is just way off.

Al Qaeda is not a PNAC MacGuffin. It is a very real organization with very real motives and goals, specifically the restoration of the Islamic khilifah (caliphate) within the muslim umma (world community of islam). Their origins predate PNAC and they will likely have child organizations that persist long after PNAC and its members are dust. Indeed, Al Qaeda actually traces its origin to a series of philosophical and poetic works published in the first half of the 20th century, for what it's worth.

Now a relationship of convenience has grown up between PNAC and Al Qaeda. They both use situations the other creates to advance their goals. Their relationship is symbiotic. And they may not even totally realize how dependent on one another they are.

But Al Qaeda a PNAC puppet? No.

[Poppyseedman]

8. Did you notice the WTC burning in the background. ?

he is taking credit for a bush 9/11 MIHOP event.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. Uh, I think he just called us "terrorists". n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

11. this conflict only helps extremist groups

to quote Ariana Huffington's blog:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/winning-the-war-on-terror_b_25864.html

...At the moment, Israel, displaying a Bush-like lack of imagination, is only focusing on trying to destroy Hezbollah's tools. Tools that can -- and will eventually -- be replenished.

And, in the process, they are feeding the extremists' imagination. As Wayne White, a State Department analyst until last year, told Harper's: "From a large and enraged Shiite population, surely there will be thousands of recruits ready to replace Hezbollah's losses in personnel...The Israelis have embarked on a campaign that will most likely make matters worse over the long term."

So even if Israel is completely right, its current strategy is having the wholly counterproductive effect of making its people less safe and less likely to achieve the long-term peace and security they long for.

[Igel]

21. Which is why an extremist group triggered it.

On the other hand, not having this conflict would also help extremist groups.

Such is life.

As for whether Israel's strategy will have the "wholly counterproductive effect of making its people less safe and less likely to achieve the long-term peace and security they long for," that remains to be seen. "Surely" actually implies doubt.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

23. My doubt

is in human nature. I think there is a large element on both sides who want to kill off all the other side. They are so filled with hatred they don't see that, with the quality of weapons they both have, annihilation is likely to happen, but not just to them-but the entire world.

[itzamirakul]

62. This conflict is serving to strengthen Israel because no matter

what happens, Israel has managed things to have America 100% on its side, regardless...

You might want to read Mearesheimer/Walt's paper on The Israel Lobby. Gives you a lot to consider:

www.londonreviewofbooks.com/v28/n06/mear01_.html

[cal04]

13. message from bin Laden was also expected

Al-Zawahri wore a grey robe and white turban. A picture of the burning World Trade Centre was on the wall behind him along with photos of two other militants. One appeared to be a bearded Mohammed Atta, the Egyptian ringleader of the September 11 attacks. The other was Mohammed Atef, also known as Abu Hafs al-Masri, a former top lieutenant of bin Laden who was killed in a US airstrike in Afghanistan in November 2001.

(snip)
The Arab satellite broadcaster did not transmit the entire tape, using instead selected quotes interspersed with commentary from an anchor.

(snip)
Another new audio or video message from bin Laden was also expected in the coming days and was planned to deal with Gaza and Lebanon, according to said IntelCentre, a US-based independent group that provides counter-terrorism information to the US government and media.

al-Qa'ida's media production wing, Al-Sahab, announced the al-Zawahri tape would be ready soon in a message today on and Islamic websi

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1200258.ece

[Igel]

22. The fun bits are always left out.

And frequently the more enlightening ones.

But they hardly engage in the same amount of dick-wagging; more like intellectual chicken-choking.

[Joe Bacon]

14. Where's Osama?

Oh, I forgot, it's not October yet, is it?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

16. What a relief! I thought he had been killed again.

Naw, but they are definitely on the run, falling apart, loosing troops, etc, etc, etc.

Just give Uncle Dick a call, he can fill you in.

[Recursion]

24. Awesome

5 years ago I would have said it was impossible.

We have managed to drive AQ and Hezbollah and Hamas and Al Aqsa to all work together.

I guess * really is a uniter, not a divider...

[Gully Foyle]

25. Interesting

I read somewhere that Osama just happens to pop up in nations that are having difficult corporate negotiations for example mineral rights.
Then they get bombed Sudan/Afghanistan.
Then he disappears.
Then the corps manage to get beneficial deals.
Smacks of Tim Osman CIA jiggery-pokery.

[Igel]

61. That remains to be seen.

The quotes in the articles don't support all of the writer's statements.

Other quotes plausibly say something rather different. Hezbollah isn't the focus: jihad by the ummah against the Jews and apostate rulers is one focus, and the killing of Muslims by the Zionists and crusaders is the other focus. The quotes so far do not say Hezbollah is Muslim; if they did, *that* would be news.

At least Andalusia returned to the discourse.

[Recursion]

64. The last thing I want to see is Andalusia returning to the discourse

I thought they had in effect a truce with AQ?

And you're right, I was overreacting without reading the story closely enough. He didn't say Hezbollah was part of the Umma. That's positive (or at least not cripplingly negative) for us, so far.

[Moderator]

34. Kick

[leftyladyfrommo]

35. AP News: New Video by bin Laden's #2 - they are getting involved

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060727/D8J49HG00.html
Basically this is what they are saying: "War with Israel is a jihad for God's sake and will last until (our) religion prevails." al-Zawahri said. "We will attack everywhere."

I don't think I need to comment on this - it kind of says it all, doesn't it.

Having trouble with the link. I'm checking on it. I swear everytime I go back to look at this link it changes. Ghosts?

[Virginia Dare]

36. Well, that was predictable....

Please, somebody tell me this is all just a really bad nightmare.

[goclark]

37. a predictable nightmare is what we are both having

Hello? Is anyone home at the WH!

[ConcernedCanuk]

39. Y'all (s)elected your nightmare - - TWICE!

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what can I say?

:shrug:

[Virginia Dare]

41. (s)election is debatable, but point taken...n/t

[unda cova brutha]

51. I didn't elect him.

[ConcernedCanuk]

52. Well then, your neighbours did . .

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sumthing else to think about . . .

[krispos42]

68. Yeah, Governor of Texas. Twice

We didn't do the presidency thing once, much less twice!

The Florida vote was lightly tampered with for him to squeak by with a win, the Ohio vote was HEAVILY tampered with to give hime a relatively comfortable win.

RFK Jr. covers it in fine detail here: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Currently RFK Jr. and Mike Papantonio are now suing Ohio. And just FYI, Mike Papantonio is the guy who won that $200,000,000 anti-tobacco lawsuit.

Impeach!!!

[leftyladyfrommo]

45. I know. That is exactly how I feel.

I don't care who is right or wrong. I just want them to quit the fighting. I can't take any more pictures of those poor people crying and in shock. It is too awful

[CoffeeCat]

38. Samuel L Jackson said it best...

...in "Jurassic Park."

"Hold on to your butts."

[Recursion]

65. He says it better in "Snakes"

"Enough is enough! I'm sick and tired of these mother*ing snakes on this mother*ing plane!"

[CoffeeCat]

40. How long before there are suicide bombers...

...in New York, Atlanta, Chicago, Seattle and a host of other American cities?

:(

[ConcernedCanuk]

46. They are already there - count on it - Dubya & PNACers guarantee it - -

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[CoffeeCat]

48. I really wouldn't be surprised if we have a day...

...in this country where multiple suicide bombs and house-to-house urban warfare is unleashed on this country.

...not a bit surprised.

:(

[ConcernedCanuk]

49. Remember the movie "Invasion USA" with Chuck Norris?

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sumthing to think about . . .

[Mandate My Ass]

42. Mission accomplished

The world is going to hell in a handbasket and the RW loon jobs are greasing the rails. It's been fun but not anymore. :nuke:

[Purveyor]

43. Expect an audio tape from bin Laden soon... n/t

[bullimiami]

44. cia movie studios. right on time.

[goforit]

47. Osama is the PNAC 's sound piece. Anything to inflame more war!

[Lerkfish]

50. on cue.

get your pro-grams, get your pro-grams, can't tell the players without a pro-gram.....

[springhill]

53. Yeh right............

Don't believe it's real for a minute. Just another fake threat to get the American people all inspired to fight the "evil terrorists" wherever they might exist. (1% doctrine anyone?)

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

69. This is just the beginning.....

of the "Long War".

1st USA goes after Afghanistan
Up next is IRAQ
Next is Israel's turn w/ Lebanon
USA hopes for Syria/Iran intervention or provacation. Then we back up our allies or confront WMD's in Iran
Bottom line is to control the oil fields with the gracious help of friends Saudi Arabia

My guess 15 - 25 years of this. Vote democrat all you want. This is a one party state.

or maybe I'm just in a pissy mood. Take your pick.

[savemefromdumbya]

70. HE'S DEAD!

[Andrushka]

71. Those photos in the background...

Fantsatic touch. I have a better idea, though: