Minutemen event overwhelmed by immigrant supporters

[JI7]

<A small anti-immigration press conference at the World Trade Center site Wednesday was interrupted by about 100 protesters who surrounded the event and shouted at its speakers.

The press conference, held by the Minuteman Project and New Yorkers for Immigration Control and Enforcement, or NY ICE, was intended to announce the release of a new book, “Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America’s Borders.” The event was held Wednesday because it marked the 1,776th day since September 11, 2001.

“It’s a disgrace that the president will not enforce the border,” said Jerome Corsi, the co-author of “Minutemen” who has worked with Swift Vets and POWs for Truth, formerly the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which attacked Sen. John Kerry’s war record during the 2004 presidential campaign. “I want to preserve the middle class and not see it destroyed by under-market workers.”

The Minuteman Project’s goal is to stop illegal immigration by monitoring the Mexican border and alerting the Border Patrol to suspicious activity. They favor the most stringent anti-immigration measures passed by the House, including criminalizing clergy who assist illegal immigrants.

The project’s founder, Jim Gilchrist, pointed to the W.T.C. and said illegal immigration caused the attacks of September 11, 2001.>


http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_168/minutemenevent.html

[w4rma]

1. Dems have a real opening here if they are willing to tackle illegal

immigration and not let the cheap labor DLCers in the party tell them otherwise.

All polls are against illegal immigration, strongly. The Republicans want the cheap labor and they want to blame the illegal immigration on "liberals", all the while supporting it for the cheap labor.

[Mountainman]

15. Bull shit! The polls of the xenophobes maybe, try including all

people, that would be the legal immigrants also.

It really gets me how statistics in this debate can be made up with out one shred of evidence to back them up.

[unlawflcombatnt]

26. MOST Polls indicate majority want Illegal Immigration REDUCED

The polls show that an overwhelming majority of voters, both Democrats and Republicans, want illegal immigration reduced. In fact, there is not "one shread" of evidence to the contrary. There are simply a lot of amnesty/open-border advocates making false claims to that effect. And the sentiment against illegal immigration is shared by legal immigrants as well. Here are some polls.












unlawflcombatnt

EconomicPopulistCommentary

EconomicPatriotForum

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The economy needs balance between the "means of production" & "means of consumption."

[independentpiney]

33. Sort of o/t

But it's odd to me everyone who they polled was a christian or jew?

[Mountainman]

35. I saw an old history channel thing about Truman and his attempt at

getting civil rights legislation passed. The poll back then showed that the majority of Americans favored segregation. Only that wasn't too good for African Americans at the time.

[Bridget Burke]

36. The Center for Immigration Studies paid Zogby for that poll....

Although you didn't exactly point that out. What does RightWeb have to say about CIS?

The Center for Immigration Studies describes itself as "the nation's only think tank devoted exclusively to research and policy analysis of the economic, social, demographic, fiscal, and other impacts of immigration on the United States." Founded in 1985 as a think tank to support the more activist work of the anti-immigrant Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), CIS is dedicated "to expand the base of public knowledge and understanding of the need for an immigration policy that gives first concern to the broad national interest. The Center is animated by a pro-immigrant, low-immigration vision which seeks fewer immigrants but a warmer welcome for those admitted."

CIS describes itself as “independent” and “nonpartisan,” but its studies, reports, and media releases consistently support its restrictionist agenda and works closely on Capitol Hill with Republican Party immigration restrictionists. However, CIS has achieved credibility with the media and in think tank circles because of its lack of the kind of strident anti-immigrant rhetoric associated with many restrictionist groups, its willingness to invite pro-immigrant voices to its forums, and the scholarly format of its reports.....

"Let’s be clear,” wrote Frank Sharry of the National Immigration Forum, “CIS was birthed by FAIR, the militant anti-immigration group. The CIS executive director moved from FAIR to CIS to head up the organization. Although now independent, the two organizations share the same basic agenda: an American version of what in Europe is called ‘zero immigration.’” According to Sharry, CIS masquerades as an objective, “squeaky clean” think tank, but CIS is “simply churning out high-sounding, low-credibility grist for the high-pitch, low-road anti-immigration forces in the United States.” This assessment of CIS is widely shared among pro-immigrant groups, but CIS studies are not only frequently cited by the “low-road” nativist forces but also by major news media.....

Early funding for CIS was channeled through U.S. Inc, a nonprofit established and still directed by John Tanton, who was one of the cofounders of the Federation of American Immigration Reform (FAIR). Among the right-wing foundations that fund CIS are Sarah Scaife Foundation, John M. Olin Foundation, Jaqueline Hume Foundation, Carthage Foundation, and Scaife Family Foundation.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1452

I'll repeat: "...simply churning out high-sounding, low-credibility grist for the high-pitch, low-road anti-immigration forces in the United States.” And we see their crap regurgitated endlessly here at DU.

Most of us have heard of the Scaife foundations. Let's take a look at another source of CIS's funding:

The John M. Olin Foundation, one of the country’s premier conservative foundations, announced in May 2005 that it was closing its doors after a half century of successful advocacy on behalf of rightist causes. Among its more notable grantees are the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, the Hoover Institution, the American Enterprise Institute, Allan Bloom, and Charles Murray. In discussing the closing, Olin director James Piereson told the New York Observer (May 9, 2005): “I guess I would say, looking back on this period, that it’s worked out a lot better than we had any right to expect when we started. I’m sure some stuff failed or didn’t go anywhere, but not a lot of it.”

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/653

[FILAM23]

27. Having an immigrant wife, I run in a circle of alot of

immigrants and believe me, the legal ones are very much against
illegal immigation. They had to do mounds of paper work,
wait many months, if not years, and had to spend a significant
amount of money, they do not take kindly to ones who sneak in.

[Mountainman]

29. Given all the facts I don't think you would get the same results

People do not hear all the points in this debate. Sure if you only give them part of the information you can get them to agree on anything. All most people ever hear is the Fox News xenophobic version of the debate. And most people believe the myths that go around.

There will never be an effective law that makes illegal immigrants go home. They got around the law that says they can't come here. It is impossible to find them, too costly to do even if you could. Like I said, ask all the people here not just the xenophobes.

[dorktv]

2. Illegal immigration caused 9/11? THEY WERE ALL HERE LEGALLY!

[Jim Lane]

4. Your problem is that you're a member of the reality-based community

Note that the news article about the demo and counter-demo didn't mention your point. Instead, one of the counter-demonstrators was quoted as comparing the demonstrators to Nazis. That kind of wild rhetoric makes a better story than some humdrum old fact.

In a sense, the coverage was fair. It gave publicity to irresponsible views on both sides. :(

[dorktv]

13. Oh crap...I forgot about that. Thanks.

[Marie26]

9. Shhh. nt

[rodeodance]

3. they get 'permission' to exploit 9/11 from WH tactics!

....The project’s founder, Jim Gilchrist, pointed to the W.T.C. and said illegal immigration caused the attacks of September 11, 2001.>

[MidwestTransplant]

5. They are so over the top as to be laughable.

[UTUSN]

6. CORSI's been popping up on NOORY (Art BELL) and here at DU

among the conspiracy minded:

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http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=14965

North American Union to Replace USA?

by Jerome R. Corsi
Posted May 19, 2006

.... President Bush intends to abrogate U.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity which the President is quietly forming, much as the European Union has formed.

The blueprint President Bush is following was laid out in a 2005 report entitled "Building a North American Community" published by the left-of-center Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The CFR report connects the dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal immigration and the drive to create the North American Union: ....


http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15497

Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway

by Jerome R. Corsi
Posted Jun 12, 2006

.... A good reason Bush does not want to secure the border with Mexico may be that the administration is trying to create express lanes for Mexican trucks to bring containers with cheap Far East goods into the heart of the U.S., all without the involvement of any U.S. union workers on the docks or in the trucks.

Mr. Corsi is the author of several books, including "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry" (along with John O'Neill), "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil" (along with Craig R. Smith), and "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians." He is a frequent guest on the G. Gordon Liddy radio show. He will soon co-author a new book with Jim Gilchrist on the Minuteman Project.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15623

North American Union Would Trump U.S. Supreme Court

by Jerome R. Corsi
Posted Jun 19, 2006

The Bush Administration is pushing to create a North American Union out of the work on-going in the Department of Commerce under the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America in the NAFTA office headed by Geri Word. A key part of the plan is to expand the NAFTA tribunals into a North American Union court system that would have supremacy over all U.S. law, even over the U.S. Supreme Court, in any matter related to the trilateral political and economic integration of the United States, Canada and Mexico. ....

http://www.wnd.com/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=246

Coming soon to U.S.: Mexican customs office

Monday, June 05, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- Kansas City is planning to allow the Mexican government to open a Mexican customs office in conjunction with the Kansas City SmartPort. This will be the first foreign customs facility allowed to operate on U.S. soil.

Southern border blurs for global trade

Thursday, June 01, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- The Texas segment of the NAFTA Super Corridor is moving rapidly toward approval. When built, the Trans-Texas Corridor, or TTC, will be a major super-highway with six lanes mo ...

Bush border policy linked to Carlyle deal?

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- In January 2004, the Carlyle Group put together a new team to begin investing in Mexico. The team consisted of Luis T鬬ez, who was then an executive vice president of Desc, one of Mexico's larges ...

Immigration reform spells death for GOP

Friday, May 19, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- To measure what exactly the Senate is doing in putting together a "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" bill, we have to ask what is going to change after the bill is passed: No illegal immigrant currently in the United Stat ...

Border fence will never be built

Thursday, May 18, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- The Senate voted to approve the amendment submitted by Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., to build a 370-mile section of triple-layered fence along the Mexican border. Now the Bush administration is trying to push this as a victory for conservative ...


http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010

MMFA investigates: Who is Jerome Corsi, co-author of Swift Boat Vets attack book?

....
• Corsi on Islam: "a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion"

• Corsi on Catholicism: "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press"

• Corsi on Muslims: "RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters -- it all goes together"

• Corsi on "John F*ing Commie Kerry": "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

• Corsi on Senator "FAT HOG" Clinton: "Anybody ask why HELLary couldn't keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she?" ....

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[DavidDvorkin]

7. I'm offended by this

The Minutemen are hateful, but that's no excuse for not letting them speak.

Shouting people down is unacceptable to me.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. I haven't got a problem with it.

Shouting people down is a lot better than what the Minutemen do, or would like to do, to people.

[UTUSN]

11. Thanks for those words n/t

[Marie26]

8. good.

The funniest part is that I've seen people quote Corsi here as a "reliable expert" on the immigration issue.

[FormerDem06]

12. You know I don't like the minutemen....

But I think Illegal Immigration will eventually help to destroy all of our freedoms. It's scary really, we are getting as many under educated folks into this country as possible, and then they will get the right to vote.

People who are under educated are easily manipulated by government (both sides of the political aisle) and they don't know that their rights are being taken away, by governments like the one we have.


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About a half-hour into the Minuteman event, the protesters crossed Liberty St. and approached the press conference, banging on drums and chanting, “Racists, go home.” Speeches ceased and the event erupted into chaos for about five minutes.

“Anti-immigrant, racist bashing is not welcome,” said Sharon Black, a volunteer organizer for the May 1 Coalition. “Dividing people by nationality or status is not only unjust, it hurts people right here. Minutemen are like the Klan.”
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This is where the illegal immigrant movement loses me. I understand that the minutemen are strongly anti-Mexico, but come on. If you are pro-legal immigration, then color and race have NOTHING to do with it. You are blocking out ALL races and nationalities, including the white folks in Europe.

Work on overhauling the system, which in my opinion involves holding everyone accountable. You can't send everybody home, but stop the flow in, that is not racist, that is enforcing the current law, plain and simple.

This guy Corsi is right on one thing:

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“It’s a disgrace that the president will not enforce the border,”
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I couldn't have said it better myself.

[MGD]

14. "The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all."

John F. Kennedy

[Mountainman]

16. We should have an education test to vote? How about bringing back the

land owners only rule. They have all to lose when those poor people vote. And why not have only tax payers voting, they are the only ones with a stake in government.

First of all, uneducated people can become educated. Secondly, we already have uneducated people voting, just look at how conservatives constantly vote against their own interests just as long as we keep marriage to only one man and one woman.

Also how does an illegal get to vote, educated or not?

You know, so many excuses used to cover the xenophobia and now you bring up a new one. Fear of dumb people voting! Give us a fucking break! By the way, do you allow yourself to vote?

[Black Sunshine]

17. Those antiprotesters are nuts

What's so wrong with wanting our borders strictly enforced? It's criminal to jump the border. It's also criminal to give all these illegals citizenship when the first thing they did in our country was break the law. The minutement aren't racist or anti-immigration, they're anti-illegal immigration.

BTW, I understand why Mexicans in particular would want to come to America, but does anyone else here agree that if those millions of illegals put the same amount of effort into their home country as they do here they could've been bettering Mexico this whole time?

[Mountainman]

18. What should they do in their own country to make it better?

Poor people don't have any power. They don't have any financial resources. The only way they can make a change is to elect someone like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and look how we treat that situation. Only violent revolution can change the way the wealthy in Latin American countries control the means of production and the distribution of wealth. The illegals come here because it is the last best hope of making something out of their lives.

You and all of us could do more to make Mexico and all of Latin America more prosperous by demanding fair wages and living conditions along with NAFTA.

Your problem is like most of ours. You want to live in a world where you have it made and you don't want to have to deal with the consequences of how it is done.

I'm here to tell you that the desire of people to have a better life and the desire of businesses to have cheap labor are ten times stronger than the desire to enforce the border laws.

If you want it to change it is up to you to do something about the poverty in the world not be blind to it.

[Black Sunshine]

19. So millions of people can't make a difference?

I'm not talking about poverty on a broad scale I'm talking about Mexico in particular as an example. You're saying that those millions of illegals have no power whatsoever to better their own country? You say the only way for a change is to elect someone like Chavez so why don't they just do that?

We have (supposedly) borders for a reason. Do you think it's fair that those who come here illegally have a change to gain citizenship before those who come here legally?

[EFerrari]

22. They just did elect someone like Chavez but with the help

of BushCo, his election is on a fair way to being stolen.

And that whole law and order argument is one of the oldest arguments used by Republican racists, in case you don't know that. It's especially unfortunate given that this country was colonized by slaveholders who wiped out indigenous people and then claimed they had settled a vast, empty continent.

That's a bit of an overstatement, but you probably catch my drift.

[Mountainman]

23. Personally I have no problem with Mexicans coming here looking for a

better life.

They pay taxes. They pay sales tax. They have taxes withheld from their paychecks. They pay into Social Security and don't expect to receive and retirement income from it.

The are the ones keeping the union movement alive in this country. The service workers are the ones fighting for and gaining living wage contracts.

They have the family values and ideals we say that people should have. They are family oriented, hard working, industrious, and are people of faith.

They tend to support progressive ideals which help all of us. They have the ability to unite for a cause and can turn millions of people out for a march. If we could tap into that and join them to march for social justice the world would be a better place for all of us.

The low wage situation in this country is brought about because of the ability of employers to not have to pay living wages. The right has fought against minimum wage increased for 10 years. The right has fought and won the battle against unionization which is the only means workers have to unite and get power to negotiate fair wages and working conditions. If all illegals were gone the wages would remain low. The reason the illegals have the jobs is because the employers pay wages so low that most Americans do not want the jobs.

12 million illegals in this country and still the unemployment rate is around 5% meaning that there is no shortage of jobs, just a large pool of unskilled workers. Unskilled Americans are forced to compete with unskilled immigrants yet the right fights any attempt to have better education and vocational training.

The real desire to keep people from coming here is xenophobia. None of the reasons used to fight against illegal immigration hold water except that it is illegal to come into the country that way.

If there were people who were truly against illegal immigration on the grounds that it is illegal only, then I concede that point. But I doubt those people exist. It is always xenophobia that is behind it. It is the fear of the unknown cultural changes. It is the sense of loss of the way things use to be. I can understand that. It is the fear that this country is becoming more a more diverse nation and I can understand that. It is the fear of seeing so many poor people knowing that being poor is our ultimate fate if we don't end the anti working class conservative revolution.


But we should admit to these fears and examine them for what they really are and learn to accept the inevitable changes that are taking place. We will never turn back the clock to a bygone era. Banging your head against the wall only hurts you not the wall. If we could welcome the immigrants and learn to work together for social justice for all of us we all would be a lot better off. They know how to fight for what they want. They are not complacent about what is going on around them like we are. They could teach us a thing or two about how to get out into the streets and demand that our government listen to us.

There are 12 million of them and 180 million of us yet they are in control. Don't you think you could learn any thing from them about how to get things done?

[FILAM23]

28. No, we exist,

I am against illegal immigration only because they broke the law.
I'm all for increasing the number of legal immigrants allowed and
for streamlining the process..However for those that broke the law,
they need to be punished, not rewarded with amnesty and/or a shortcut
to citizenship.

[AlphaCentauri]

30. A history of law brakers

Maintaining that Africans were "subhuman" was the only loophole in the then accepted law that "men are created equal" that would allow for the sustenance of the Triangular Trade. New peoples in the Americas, possible slaves, were encountered, fought, and ultimately subdued
.....

Another example is apartheid in South Africa, and the system of Jim Crow laws in the United States of America. Another source is lending inequities of banks, and so-called redlining.
.......

Anti-Semitism is a specific case of racism targeting the Jewish people, although scholars argue whether it should be considered a sui generis specie or not. For example, in the Russian Empire, official segregation of the Russian Jews in the Pale of Settlement since the early 1800s was compounded by the 1882 May Laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
.................

Blacks thus became essential economic tools for the development of Georgetown, but were simultaneously feared and rejected socially. The first Georgetown law to oppress them came as early as 1795, forbidding them to congregate in groups of seven or more. The 1800 Census showed that, in a population of 5,120 in Georgetown, there were already 1,449 slaves and 277 "free blacks."

There was a lone exception to the congregating law: Blacks could go to church on the Sabbath. But they were still kept rigidly separate from whites. St. John's Episcopal Church, established in 1816 at 33rd and O streets NW, had an outdoor staircase built especially for blacks; it's still there today.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/14/AR2006071401398_pf.html
...............

Finally, women's history, as it is usually encapsulated, is the struggle for the vote. Women were denied the right to vote, fought for the franchise for several decades, and finally won. Those who know the subject matter with more depth also know about women's struggles for the right to own property, the right to divorce, the right to keep their wages. Here women's history is a series of advancements, a gradual evolution toward civil equality. Outmoded traditions and unfair laws were gradually chipped away. Opportunities for women expanded as society discovered that women were in many senses equal to men.

http://www.saidit.org/archives/mar01/article2.html
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[gratuitous]

20. Are you aware of the situation in Mexico?

I spent some time there with a delegation from the Christian Peacemaker Teams. We spoke to government officials and non-government agencies, ranging from the Zapatistas to the Catholic Church. Here is some of what we learned.

For more than 70 years, until the election of Vicente Fox in 2001, Mexico was dominated by one political party. As you might guess, corruption and ruthlessness fluorished in ways that make the current administration look like pikers. Policital dissent has been crushed, often at gunpoint. I'll give you one example.

In December 1999, the displaced community of Acteal las Abejas (as differentiated from Acteal and Acteal Zapatista) in Chiapas was observing the Advent season before Christmas. The last Abejas community (their name means "the bees") is sworn to non-violence, abjures weapons of any kind, and is constituted mostly of persons in internal exile in their own country for their disagreement with governmental policies. Some of the poeple in the community at Acteal could actually see their own homes across the valley, homes they couldn't return to without risking death.

Anyway, on December 22, 1999, a group of men stole up the slope to Acteal, and began massacring the inhabitants. They fired first into the makeshift church that stood at the end of the village area. I counted dozens of bullet holes in the facing of the building. Over the course of six hours, they killed 46 people and injured a few dozen more. Every month thereafter, the people of Acteal convened on the 22nd to remember their murdered comrades.

In addition to the internal civil strife, the economic war being waged against the poor comes at them in many ways. We learned that a few years ago, Mexico had some 60 domestic sugar companies. Then Coke and Pepsi began expanding their friendly rivalry south of the border. Instead of using domestic sugar to sweeten their drinks, these companies used heavily-subsidized American high fructose corn syrup, which was a little cheaper. High fructose corn syrup, with its price driven down thanks to subsidies paid for by you and me, the American taxpayers, became the sweetener of choice for processed food in Mexico. Today there are no domestic sugar companies in Mexico.

Another example from the time we were there had to do with coffee. Mexico grows quite a bit of coffee, and many poor people grow coffee for subsistence wages. In 2001, the government granted an import license to Nestle, which allowed them to bring in coffee grown in Vietnam. The mere threat of being undercut by Vietnamese imports drove the price per pound down. Growers who had been getting 15 or 17 pesos per kilo for their product suddenly found that the brokers were willing to pay on 8 to 10 pesos per kilo. And not one coffee bean had been imported from Vietnam! The brokers weren't willing to commit to a higher price because cheaper Vietnamese coffee could come in at any time, and the growers couldn't demand a higher price because their livelihood depended on getting their beans to market. The government, bribed by Nestle, had granted the import license, undercutting its own people in favor of a large multinational corporation.

I haven't even mentioned the discrimination between Mexicans of Spanish descent and those of Mayan or Aztec descent, which further complicates relations among the citizenry. What sort of efforts do you recommend for the citizenry to better their country, when the citizenry is whip-sawed by foreign corporations, its own corrupt governmment, and the active connivance of our own government?

[EFerrari]

21. Well, let's see. Mexico is America. The United States

and its predatory policies in Latin America have been the reason many of those countries don't have stable governments or a developed infrastructure, and the minutemen are racist as hell. Go to their website and check it out for yourself. :)

"The Minuteman Project is not a call to arms, but a call to voices seeking a peaceful and respectable resolve to the chaotic neglect by members of our local, state and federal governments charged with applying U.S. immigration law.

It is a call to bring national awareness to the decades-long careless disregard of effective U.S. immigration law enforcement. It is a reminder to Americans that our nation was founded as a nation governed by the "rule of law," not by the whims of mobs of ILLEGAL aliens who endlessly stream across U.S. borders.

Accordingly, the men and women volunteering for this mission are those who are willing to sacrifice their time, and the comforts of a cozy home, to muster for something much more important than acquiring more "toys" to play with while their nation is devoured and plundered by the menace of tens of millions of invading illegal aliens.

Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."

The result: political, economic and social mayhem.

Historians will write about how a lax America let its unique and coveted form of government and society sink into a quagmire of mutual acrimony among the various sub-nations that will comprise the new self-destructing America."

http://www.minutemanproject.com/default.asp?contentID=2

[Mountainman]

24. Minutemen fear multiculturalism. The fact is that most immigrant

children assimilate quite well. My grandparents lived in an Italian ghetto in Pittsburgh, PA. They never learned to speak English.

I work with children of Cambodian immigrants and Mexican immigrants and all of them have assimilated into the gen X culture. It is funny how none of the children born here have the fears of multiculturalism that their parents do.

In not so many years all the minutemen will have past away and multiculturalism will continue to happen since we live in a global community. Minutemen are more like the dinosaurs that died because they could not adapt to the changing environment around them.

"they strut and fret their hour on the stage and then are heard no more"

[EFerrari]

25. They see no irony whatsoever in their insane insistence

that illegal immigration is wrong, that America is white and literate, that -- well, none of their racist cr@p makes sense when you really think about it.

Caramba!

[eagler]

31. The book tslks about an agreement signed by the presidents of

North America which would effectively eliminate borders and create one huge North American Union. It was signed on March 32rd, 2005. Construction of a 4 football fields wide highway stretching the entire length of the continent has already begun. A Mexican Customs station is scheduled to be built in Kansas City. All of this and more is described in the book.Incidently, the author has turn against Bush completely now that he realizes Bush's loyalty is to globalism and not to the United States.

[Sam Odom]

32. Supporting ILLEGAL immigration is a LOSER

Openly (in public) that is... I find it mind boggling that anyone would.

[astral]

34. Please help me understand

. . . those of you who are pro-illegal immigration, and anti-Minutemen.

--- do you think we should not enforce immigration at our borders?

--- do you think we should just have no border control, and anybody on the planet can freely come here, no matter how many people we're talking about, and we'll all just learn to deal with it and adjust?


You're all probably not in the least bit afraid of the upcoming North American Union plans, either.

Oh, that's just a 'conspiracy theory.'