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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 04:56 PM
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WP/AP: Rove Blasts Journalists' Role in Politics
Rove Blasts Journalists' Role in Politics
By WILL LESTER
The Associated Press
Saturday, July 29, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Presidential adviser Karl Rove said Saturday that journalists often criticize political professionals because they want to draw attention away from the "corrosive role" their own coverage plays in politics and government.

"Some decry the professional role of politics, they would like to see it disappear," Rove told graduating students at the George Washington University Graduate School of Political Management. "Some argue political professionals are ruining American politics -- trapping candidates in daily competition for the news cycle instead of long-term strategic thinking in the best interest of the country."...

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"It's odd to me that most of these critics are journalists and columnists," he said. "Perhaps they don't like sharing the field of play. Perhaps they want to draw attention away from the corrosive role their coverage has played focusing attention on process and not substance."

Rove told about 100 graduates trained to be political operatives that they should respect the instincts of the American voter.

"There are some in politics who hold that voters are dumb, ill informed and easily misled. that voters can be manipulated by a clever ad or a smart mind," said Rove, who is credited with President Bush's wins in the 2000 and 2004 election. "I've seen this cynicism over the years from political professionals and journalists. American people are not policy wonks, but they have great instincts and try to do the right thing."...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/29/AR2006072900552_pf.html
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 04:57 PM
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1. Journalists should blast unelected "political consultants"
who hide behind their little creations.

If you got the chops, Karl,, run for office. If not, shut up.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:00 PM
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2. Yes Karl those Fox news reporters are bad
:rofl:
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:09 PM
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3. Yawn! Rehash of "nattering nabobs of negativism".
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 05:10 PM by no_hypocrisy
Spoken by Agnew but allegedly penned by William Safire.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:14 PM
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4. Hard-core hypocrisy from KKKarl, as usual....
He uses journalists when it suits his slimy purpose. Why, oh why, didn't Fitzie just indict his ass?
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:16 PM
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5. That is their function to criticize politicians, too bad they fall short
Rove is a nazi. Hitler had faith in the instincts of the volk as well.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:17 PM
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6. Would for the day when it was unwise to pick fights. . .
with people who buy ink by the barrel. Perhaps they may rouse themselves from their somnolence and see what -- and who -- truly poses the greatest threat to the democracy. . .
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:19 PM
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7. Rove just got blasted by veterans
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 05:19 PM by Monkeyman
Telling him to grow up with the only oversight being the media. We hear the truth unless its Fox .We in out letters told we bled for freedom while he ran away from his duty to God And Country. We who bled for freedom want our country back
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 06:08 PM
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13. Thanks, to you and your compatriots! nt
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:24 PM
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8. And I blast Roves political role in GOVERNMENT.
You can take a piece of shit and dress it in an Italian suit, but it's still a piece of shit.. something reeks every time he speaks.

I think that might have been poetry.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:45 PM
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52. LOL...You are so right!....What you said was poetry.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:25 PM
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9. who the #(*& invited that despicable creep to speak to grads
wish I were in that class so I could turn my back on him and walk out.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:25 PM
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10. What a load of shit.
And what he said was bull as well.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:31 PM
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11. LOL! Oh my goodness I cannot believe what the guy is saying!!!
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 05:37 PM by ih8thegop
"It's odd to me that most of these critics are journalists and columnists," he said. "Perhaps they don't like sharing the field of play. Perhaps they want to draw attention away from the corrosive role their coverage has played focusing attention on process and not substance." ... Wow Karl, we actually AGREE!!!!

"There are some in politics who hold that voters are dumb, ill informed and easily misled. that voters can be manipulated by a clever ad or a smart mind." And you're one of them, Karl!

"I've seen this cynicism over the years from political professionals and journalists. American people are not policy wonks, but they have great instincts and try to do the right thing." Except that you don't let them!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:00 AM
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37. he's quoting from his own playbook
Edited on Sun Jul-30-06 04:08 AM by radfringe
"There are some in politics who hold that voters are dumb, ill informed and easily misled, that voters can be manipulated by a clever ad or a smart line," said Rove

....and he's one of them

funny how you don't hear him complaining when the media are being lapdogs for the bush misadministration

on edit: should we be refering to these type of quotes as ROVEisms?</b>
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 05:54 PM
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12. A man with no educational credentials addressing a graduating class?
Americans who vote for bush's brand of conservatism are "dumb, ill informed and easily misled." AND THEY ARE PROUD OF IT.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 06:24 PM
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14. "... dumb, ill informed and easily misled."
These words coming from the man who said that a good political ad must be visual, that you can turn off the sound and still the message comes through. These words coming from the man who, no doubt, was the stagemaster for the totally scripted surreal Mission Impossible stunt on the U.S.S. Lincoln.

Oh, yes, we can go on and on. Rove was probably looking at his audience and thinking, "What a bunch of dupes. I'm going to play these fools like violins."
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 06:28 PM
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15. Rove's "Corrosion" IS TRANSPARENCY!
the very crucial ingredient to any good government is TRANSPARENCY. Where was this Kkkarl Rove fellow brought up--Stalingrad?
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:49 PM
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16. Working the refs again, Karl? n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:55 PM
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17. My head just went 'splodey-boom! Where's the emoticon for an exploding
head.

I can't take the irony.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:42 PM
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19. KKKarl
Edited on Sat Jul-29-06 08:43 PM by Mz Pip
two and a half more years. :nuke:

How can this guy look in the mirror on a daily basis? The arrogance alone is frightening.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:35 PM
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18. Journalist who do the job correctly let us know about the corrosive
effects of Carl Rove, thats what pisses him off. Shine the light on these cockroaches and watch them scramble and hide.


The fox who guards the hen house is mad because someone told the farmer that he likes eating chicken.

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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:53 PM
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20. i agree with Rove ! - no read first
i blast journalists for assisting and enabling bush and his traitorous goons in stealing two elections, systematically destroying the Constitution, and destroying America.

journalists should do they jobs objectively, instead they are corrupted and aligned with bush.

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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 08:59 PM
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21. Rove calls journalists all the time feeding them stories
Russert, Novak, and Cooper to name a few. What a blatant liar and hypocrite he is.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:47 PM
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22. Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington (16 January 1787)
... The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them. I am convinced that those societies (as the Indians) which live without government enjoy in their general mass an infinitely greater degree of happiness than those who live under European governments. Among the former, public opinion is in the place of law, and restrains morals as powerfully as laws ever did any where. Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep. I do not exaggerate ...

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_speechs8.html
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:57 PM
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23. I Blast Churches Role in Politics, there shouldn't be any.

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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 09:58 PM
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24. Rove: voters inattentive...swayed by instinct...
The hypcritical bastard rails against the cynicism of the press
while acting very cynical himself.
:puke:

Rove says US voters inattentive but not stupid

By Caren Bohan
Reuters
Saturday, July 29, 2006; 6:07 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. voters often tune out policy debates but it's wrong
to think of them as stupid, uninformed and gullible, top White House political
strategist Karl Rove said on Saturday.

Rove, who is gearing up for a fight to help Republicans keep control of Congress
in November, described Americans as swayed more by instinct than by the nuances
of legislative proposals or candidates' position papers.

-snip-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/29/AR2006072900632.html
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:26 PM
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25. Rove reminds me of what Brendan Behan said about critics.
At least I think it was Brendan Behan who said that critics are like eunuchs in the harem. They know how it's done, they see it done every night, and yet they can't do it themselves.

There's a huge difference between success and getting what you want. Let the puffed up Rove pontificate while thousands die in a world situation that is very much the work of his bloody, filthy hands. May he be spared nothing when it comes time to give account for every dirty trick he's played, every sleazy act he's performed.

Go ahead and strut, Karl. But don't think history will be kind to you.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 11:44 PM
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26. KKKarl Rove
KKKarl Rove said:
"...they should respect the instincts of the American voter."

Oh, so that's why you republinazi vermin keep stealing elections. </sarcasm>



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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:28 AM
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27. Rove Criticizes 'Corrosive Role' Journalists Play in Politics

Full story: http://omaha.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D8J60AT00&_action=validatearticle

07-29-2006 8:02 PM
By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON -- Presidential adviser Karl Rove said Saturday that journalists often criticize political professionals because they want to draw attention away from the "corrosive role" their own coverage plays in politics and government.

"Some decry the professional role of politics, they would like to see it disappear," Rove told graduating students at the George Washington University Graduate School of Political Management. "Some argue political professionals are ruining American politics _ trapping candidates in daily competition for the news cycle instead of long-term strategic thinking in the best interest of the country."


White House political adviser Karl Rove delivers the keynote address at George Washington University Graduate School of Political Management's Commencement Saturday, July 29, 2006, in Washington. (AP Photo/Kevin Wolf)

"Some decry the professional role of politics, they would like to see it disappear," Rove told graduating students at the George Washington University Graduate School of Political Management. "Some argue political professionals are ruining American politics _ trapping candidates in daily competition for the news cycle instead of long-term strategic thinking in the best interest of the country."

But Rove turned that criticism on journalists.

"It's odd to me that most of these critics are journalists and columnists," he said. "Perhaps they don't like sharing the field of play. Perhaps they want to draw attention away from the corrosive role their coverage has played focusing attention on process and not substance."

Rove told about 100 graduates trained to be political operatives that they should respect the instincts of the American voter.


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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:28 AM
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28. rover is a corrosive a-hole himself, so mebbe he ought to know
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:28 AM
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29. I agree with Rove.
It is odd that "most of these critics are journalist and columnists" and not Democrats
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:28 AM
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30. A true enemy of democracy
No free press = no dissent.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:28 AM
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31. Graduate School of Political Management?????????
:wtf: do you suppose THIS field of study would involve? Swiftboating 101? Graduate Seminar on Money Laundering? Practicum in Shaking Down Lobbyists? PAC Theory? HOW TO LIE?????

Jaysus, and I thought MBAs in Marketing were weasels... :puke:
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:28 AM
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32. The graduate with a Doctorate of Spin.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:33 PM
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42. That seems to be it, actually.
I googled the place, and damn if they don't have courses on lobbying, information management, etc. Stirring times we live in... :puke:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:33 AM
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33. he uses them and abuses them
and they cry "beat me daddy ,it feels so good!" in the morning light they crawl to the bathroom to wash their wounds....
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:39 AM
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34. The very Mona Lisa of masterpieces of projection.
The smile says, "Keep yammering about your Constitutional 'realities', while we move forward and create new realities of our own".

"Democracy? Of coure we love democracy; we've learned to use it, and we're very comfortable with it."
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:49 AM
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35. What's the matter, Karl. Novakula wouldn't take your call? n/t
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 03:24 AM
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36. Oh this is nice coming from a con using journos to his own ends
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 04:58 AM
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38. bwahahhahahaaaaa
like hearing a serial rapist lecture people about dating etiquitte.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 06:13 AM
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39. I like this
"Perhaps they want to draw attention away from the corrosive role their coverage has played focusing attention on process and not substance."

How dare they question the dirty tricks. :sarcasm:
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 08:50 AM
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40. KKKarl is delusional
Rove said it is "wrong to underestimate the intelligence of the American voter, but easy to overestimate their interest. Much tugs at their attention."

But he said voters are able to watch campaigns and candidates closely and "this messy and imperfect process has produced great leaders."

Too bad that you have not been associated with any great leaders, Karl. You will be remembered as an enabler of the most inept, most corrupt, most destructive administration in the history of the United States. If you are lucky, your porcine heart will go the way of Ken Lay before you are sentenced for your crimes.

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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 09:06 AM
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41. Equivalent headline: Chickens Blast Colonel Sanders.




Although in Rove's case the attention is well deserved. And DeLay. And Lott. And Cunningham. And Libby. And K Harris. And on and on and on.



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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:12 PM
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43. Wow. What perfect projection.
Just switch the words 'politician' and 'journalist' and you have the truth.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:34 AM
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44. "American people are not policy wonks, but they have great instincts"
sound familiar...sound like the former candidate and now President of the most powerful country in the World.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:50 AM
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45. If American voters had great instincts to do the right thing,
Karl Rove would have been in prison a long time ago.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 02:09 PM
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55. Amen!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:55 AM
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46. what a piece of shit n/t
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:56 AM
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47. dirt nap n/t
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 10:58 AM
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48. Sounds like old guy at end of Scooby Doo episode blaming "the kids."
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 12:03 PM
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49. rove hates us for our free press, plain and simple... because bushco
doesn't have enough dirt on every branch of the press to twist enough arms to shut them up...
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 12:10 PM
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50. '... voters are dumb, ill informed and easily misled...'
but that's your base! That's the very group of people he relies on 2 vote for his puppet.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 12:14 PM
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51. $#&@ karl... i trust thomas jefferson way more than that criminal a-hole
Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.

To preserve the freedom of the human mind then and freedom of the press, every spirit should be ready to devote itself to martyrdom; for as long as we may think as we will, and speak as we think, the condition of man will proceed in improvement.

Our citizens may be deceived for a while & have been deceived; but as long as the presses can be protected, we may trust to them for light.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:50 PM
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53. Shit coming from a piece of shit!
:spank:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 01:55 PM
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54. INote-->Media Whores at WaPo gave him soap box to trash journalists..
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:26 PM
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56. "SOME SAY..."
Some say that using "some say" is a dodge, an eloquent way of not revealing the fact that there is no source.

Some say Karl takes it up the ass from Jeff Gannon.
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