Picture of aborted fetus to be flown over Cleveland

[deadparrot]

As a shock tactic, a national group that opposes abortion plans to fly a billboard-size picture of an aborted fetus over Cleveland beginning Monday.

The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, which frequently employs such attention-grabbing advertising, hopes to jar people into reconsidering their support of abortion, director Gregg Cunningham said.

He said the banner would be the most graphic picture ever displayed from the air.

"It will be categorically the most shocking we have ever done," he said. "The imagery is so horrifying that I can't almost stand to look at it."

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/115424828161830.xml&coll=2

[daleo]

1. Is this legal?

Can anyone just fly a huge picture of anything they like around a city? It seems bizarre.

[Fridays Child]

11. There needs to be an injubction issued, to stop this.

The children of Cleveland have the right to not be made a captive audience for this kind of thing.

[Xenotime]

77. Fundies have gone too far...

They need to be stopped.

[Freddie Stubbs]

81. Free speech is ok only if you agree with it?

:shrug:

[Recursion]

83. There's a pretty clear 1st-Amendment argument for it

The fact that it's expressly political speech makes the bar for limiting it higher, not lower.

[Realityhack]

91. True...

though I imagine the nudest's political speach would still be sensored.

I am a bit torn on this. On the one hand I whole hartedly support their right to political speach even shocking political speach. But on the other hand its a very graphic sounding boadcast message. The kind of thing that for instance parents don't have a reasonable ability to shield there children from should they chose to.

I imagine the courts have some case law to fall back on but I would hate to be the judge that has to rule on this (assuming there is one). Gee x word is too harsh for daytime tv but this graphic image isn't? Seems like its pushing the boundrys to me.

but as I said I want to support their right to say things that might upset people.

very tough one IMO.
---
on edit.
Man even I have that bad habbit of not reading everything thoroughly <<kicks self hard>>
this quote
"The imagery is so horrifying that I can't almost stand to look at it."
makes me think they are intentionaly crossing the line.

[DRoseDARs]

2. Picture of botched back-alley do-it-yourself abortion to follow... n/t

[tanyev]

3. So if the plane crashes, or the picture causes such a distraction

that someone is killed in a car wreck, will that be the fault of pro-choicers, too?

[niyad]

4. once again, the question is--assuming the image isn't photoshopped,

WHERE are they getting these images? how many laws are being violated, and, if laws are being violated, WHY are they not being prosecuted???

[Freddie Stubbs]

82. Is it against the law to take a picture of an aborted fetus?

:shrug:

[Hekate]

96. Technically speaking, it's medical waste. What is a camera doing there?

And no, medical waste of any description doesn't go into a wastebasket, as depicted in some of those photoshopped horrors.

Hekate

[flyarm]

5. then someone should fly over all USA cities pictures of the Iraqi dead

children republicans and Little lord pissy pants are responsible for!

what fucking hypocrites...

fly

[NEOBuckeye]

17. If they are really "Pro-Life" they should fight to end the Iraq War

Instead of supporting it. So-called "Pro-Lifers" can't have it both ways.

[grannylib]

29. Here's a link to some pics taken by a coworker of mine when he was in

Afghanistan
WARNING: very graphic images of the horrors of war. Lots of blood.

http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/grannylib /

If you can use them in some way to counteract the 'pro-lifers' feel free.

[Triana]

39. Exactly! That's just what I was thinking...

...or with those photos grannylib posted earlier - and a banner that says "George W. Bush supports this"...

...and he calls himself "pro-life"

"pro-death" is more like it.

[Midlodemocrat]

80. Exactly what I was thinking.

[uppityperson]

6. How old of a "fetus"? This is appalling

on the 1 hand, think of the children. On the other hand, think of the backlash.

[Quantess]

38. Some of those photos of "abortions"

are actually photos of 2nd and 3rd trimester miscarriages that needed surgical removal.

[uppityperson]

59. exactly right.

[Hekate]

97. What would a camera have been doing anywhere near such a sad event?

What with the implied invasion of privacy and the lies inherent in Photoshopping their hideous artworks, I think it's pretty clear that this bunch of so-called pro-lifers thinks the end justifies the means.

Hekate

[fasttense]

7. Hmm, think I'll fly pictures of genitalia over Cleveland. It seems like

they let anything fly.

[femrap]

22. both kinds of genitalia? are the

genitalia going to be engaged in such a way that produces the following plane which is showing a fetus?

What will the Clevelanders think?

Guess this is how we will teach sex ed from now on...

[Megahurtz]

75. ROFL!!!

:rofl:

[DemsRBetterLovers]

8. There's an FCC, where the hell are they?

I mean, I think this qualifies for some sort of indecency fine.

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. The guy has already been flying

around Gainesville, FL for the last year or so.

It is really a disgusting banner. I'd love to see his stupid banner get wrapped around a propeller or something.

[ima_sinnic]

23. !!?? I am in Gainesville and have never seen this (thankfully!!) (n/t)

[Nikki Stone 1]

10. How about a banner with the burned bodies of children from Iraq

or Lebanon, courtesy of white phosphorous?

[saigon68]

25. OR PHOTOS OF THE BARBECUE OF MERCENARIES

my favorite

[madeline_con]

28. A statement disavowing any knowledge of them should ...

have followed, not the massacre of an entire town. :mad:

[ShockediSay]

32. How about the dead children of Lebanon? ... n/t

[madeline_con]

33. I'm not sure I'm clear on your meaning. n/t

[ShockediSay]

35. ANS: Repugs purport to be pro life yet block a cease fire

in Lebanon at every opportunity

[IndianaGreen]

37. Some fetuses are more equal than other fetuses

Non-Christian fetuses don't have a right to life to these pukes!

[Monkeyman]

12. The Right is losing Ohio this is a way to get out their voters

I smell Rove

[NEOBuckeye]

18. People are tired of marginal issues. They want real solutions.

The GOP can press marginal issues all they want. They'll be crying a river in November after voters send them packing. Diebold cannot save them all.

[Ilsa]

13. Isn't there a fireworks celebration coming up the same day? nt

[Judi Lynn]

14. You might this Miami Herald story to be oddly timed!

Posted on Sun, Jul. 30, 2006email thisprint this
HIALEAH
Results of autopsy performed on fetus may take weeksHialeah police are awaiting the results of an autopsy to see if a fetus found at an abortion clinic was alive or dead at birth.
BY ELIAS LOPEZ AND STEPHANIE GARRY
[e-mail]

An autopsy of a fetus found in a biohazard container at a Hialeah abortion clinic was performed by the Miami-Dade medical examiner's office on Saturday, but the results may not be known for several days or possibly weeks, police say.

The autopsy was carried out a day after Hialeah Police Chief Rolando Bolaños ordered the clinic, A Gyn Diagnostic Center, 3671 W. 16th Ave., closed in connection with a possible homicide. It's unclear whether the fetus was born dead or alive.

''The medical examiner is conducting tests and taking tissue samples,'' said Lt. Ralph Gracia on Saturday. ``Right now, it is totally dependent on what they say. I'm just glad we found the child's remains.''

The fetus is believed to belong to an 18-year-old who told police she gave premature birth to the boy while waiting to see a doctor at the clinic on July 20. She was 23 weeks pregnant -- within a week of the legal limit to have an abortion.

On the same day, police received a tip about the birth at the clinic, but found no fetus after conducting a search of the offices.
(snip/...)

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/15155436.htm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What is this, Fetus Display Day?

You might remember reading only a couple of days ago the OperationRescue fetus world's leader, Randall Terry has just accused a Florida politicians of going to strip clubs!

It looks as if these idiots imagine the Flying Spaghetti Monster has given them dominion over this nation!

[xmas74]

15. Could this be against "decency" laws in some cities?

Some cities have banned views of graphic movie posters and such in a public area. Could this fall under those laws or could a citizen call and complain that a flyer like that is disturbing his/her peace?

If I lived there I'd have a fit. It's not something I'd want my six year old daughter to see. If it were on a televison I could turn the channel. Something I don't want her to hear on the radio I can turn it off. But something that is out in public view w/ what sounds like no specific hours being flown overair in a public place? Seems like I'd never be able to take my daughter out in public.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

16. Somebody (a fundie most likely) will shoot it down thinking aliens

are invading.

[Mz Pip]

19. A similar thing happened here

There was a guy who used to ride all over town on a bicycle with these huge placards showing an aborted fetus. He'd ride around during street fairs and parades. He also had a 12 x 12 foot sign in his front yard with this 10 foot aborted fetus on it.

I suspect it had the opposite effect of what he wanted to accomplish. Most people just thought he was nuts and harrassed him. It was sort of sad because his kids had to transfer out of district to go to school. Kind of hard to concentrate on your studies when everyone around you knows your Dad is the local fetus freak. :crazy:

I don't think this kind of thing changes any minds. Though I do think it has sort of a pornographic feeling to it.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[krispos42]

63. They did this about a month or so ago in the Cities

During rush-hour along I-494 here. Several people called into Minnesota Matters on Air America irate about it!

[Shoedogg]

20. They've already been doing it in Columbus...

...I saw that plane every weekend for about a month back in the spring.

I almost wrecked the car trying to figure out what it WAS on the sign.

[femrap]

21. Oh for Goddess' sake, I have looked into

the eyes of *.....wtf could be worse than that?

This guy must have a very weak stomach.

[Realityhack]

92. Ture but...

I would hate to be the parrent who has to explain either one to a kid who was too young to truely understand.

[Olney Blue]

24. Hypocrites.

:grr:

[Turbineguy]

26. Wow

the baby murderers had better get Howard Stern or somebody to raise the shock ante.

What a pathetic and useless effort!

BTW. Standing up an looking at the sky can put a krick in your neck. I advise laying down on the street. Perhaps in front of a steam roller.

[woodsprite]

27. Imagery so horrifying that he's getting off on the shock factor. n/t

[MrSlayer]

30. I always find myself yelling inappropriate things....

like "Dinner!" or "What kind of wine goes with that dish?" whenever the big abortion truck rolls by uptown.

[yorkiemommie1]

31. Offensive! I find this offensive!!

Isn't that the word the fundies love to use on us???

[threadkillaz]

34. Aborted Fetus.

That is a great name for a punk band.

[President Jesus]

36. sounds like free speech to me

tasteless, but free speech nonetheless.

[2020]

48. This is why we need to support a ban on 3d trimester abortions.

This is why we need to support a ban on 3d trimester abortions.

Hear me out.

We support Roe, and Roe is good law.
But Roe only protects abortion-on-demand during the first trimester.
During the second, Roe is equivocal about state's rights to ban such abortions.
And Roe makes it clear that states have every right to ban 3d trimester abortions.

Here is our political predicament.

Fetuses photographed during the 1st trimester look like space aliens.
But pictured during the 3d trimester, they look like fully formed human babies.

The pictures they parade around are from 3d trimester abortions. They are very powerful. They tar us as supporting something we don't support (3d term abortions).

Yet, although we favor a ban on 3d term abortions with exceptions for the life and health of the mother, we are not seen as doing so. Our support for this has been luke-warm.

And the larger message coming from the liberal community is "You (e.g. lawmakers) don't have any right to tell us what to do with our bodies!" That's a message that proclaims it's proponents to be above the law. It proclaims a disregard for the bounds of moral conduct. And it comes across to middle Americans as a defiance of the American tradition of the rule of law.

So as long as the right can claim that liberals support abortion-on-demand throughout the pregnancy--which is the message that's coming across from our side--they can lacerate us with these photos. And they've been doing it for years.

The photos have their most potent effect on sensitive, compassionate Catholics--exactly the kind of people who would normally vote for us because of our more Jesus-like agenda.

How many are effected? Lots. I can name literally a dozen from my own extended family who would otherwise vote with us if it weren't for this issue.

We need to support a ban on 3d trimester abortions. Yes there needs to be an exception for life and health. Of course! And yes, the right tries to eliminate this so the bill never passes. But we have to work hard and publicly to get it passed, so we can't be painted as libertines in the minds of people who would otherwise support us.

I've said this before and it's lead to the kind of absurd response that it's made me lose my faith in this board. But I will continue to say it, because this is exactly what's causing our side to lose elections by the slimest of margins in key states. The right just has to pull this weapon out of its arsenal and fire it endlessly into the mindless abyss of John and Mary Public.

It ought to be pretty simple for Dem congress members to publicly state their outrage at the right for blocking a ban on 3d term abortions.

But if select portions of the liberal community heap calumny on little old me for thinking out of the box in trying to save Roe as well as save our larger agenda from constant electoral defeat, think how terrified our legislators must be of taking such a step.

[Seabiscuit]

50. They want an unconditional ban on 3rd term abortions, we don't.

We simply respect Roe v. Wade, which allows such abortions only "for the life and health of the mother".

Fuck this "ban" notion. The law of Roe v. Wade is just fine as it is.

[uppityperson]

61. how many 3rd trimester abortions have been done except life&health?

how many? How many 3rd trimester abortions are done in all? How many are NOT done for life & health of woman?
http://www.drhern.com/abnumbers.htm

Third-trimester abortions are extremely uncommon; fewer than 600 are performed per year. This irrefutable fact is documented by the Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI), the institution acknowledged by the Centers for Disease Control as having the most complete information on abortion practice. When Richard Cohen wrote in a June 1995 op-ed column that “just four one-hundredths of one percent of abortions are performed after 24 weeks,” and that “most, if not all, are performed because the fetus is found to be severely damanged or because the life of the mother is clearly in danger,” he was absolutely correct. The AGI statistics Cohen quoted are accurate. If anything, the extimates overstate the actual number of third-trimester abortions. In my own practice, which is internationally known as specializing in late abortion, I have only performed about a dozen abortions for women whose pregnancies were advanced beyond 26 weeks so far this year, and I never have performed more than about 50 in a given year. In every single case, there was some compelling medical reason for the abortion. On the day before the Senate voted on the so-called “partial-birth abortion” bill last month, I performed an abortion for a woman who came with her husband from Europe to end a 33-week pregnancy that was threatening her life. The pregnancy was deeply desired by the couple, but the fetus was severely impaired, and the woman’s life would have been at great risk if she had continued until term.

[iverglas]

87. good bleeding jeezus

You want to violate women's fundamental human rights because of what these RIGHT-WING ASSHOLES are doing?

What's next -- outlaw calling George W. Bush a moron because it gives Bill O'Reilly ammunition and he uses it to turn people off and take votes away from Democrats??

The pictures they parade around are from 3d trimester abortions.

Don't be so appallingly gullible. Where, exactly, would they get aborted third-trimester fetuses to take pictures of? And if they are, why do you imagine the abortions were performed? And would those abortions not be performed even if your ban-with-exceptions on third trimester abortions were legislated?

Yet, although we favor a ban on 3d term abortions with exceptions for the life and health of the mother, we are not seen as doing so. Our support for this has been luke-warm.

I'd recommend speaking for yourself and dropping the royal "we". I'm not in the US, but I know that not everyone in the US agrees with you at all.

They tar us as supporting something we don't support (3d term abortions).

Do you support first-trimester abortions? Or do you maybe support women being free to exercise their right to terminate a pregnancy in the first trimester?

Nobody's asking you to support third-trimester abortions, and nobody supports third-trimester abortions any more than anybody supports any other way that someone chooses to exercise his/her rights -- or, more accurately, your opinion of third-trimester abortions is no more relevant than anyone's personal opinion about anyone else's choice of how to exercise his/her rights.

I may not support eating with your mouth open, but I don't get to make laws prohibiting it unless I've got a damned good reason.

But if select portions of the liberal community heap calumny on little old me for thinking out of the box in trying to save Roe as well as save our larger agenda from constant electoral defeat, think how terrified our legislators must be of taking such a step.

I'm not a member of the "liberal community". I'm a feminist, a social democrat, a leftist, a progressive. And your proposal that women's rights be bargained away for some mythical mess of pottage that it isn't even likely to achieve makes me puke.

Anyone who thinks that appeasing the enemies of women is going to do anything but embolden them hasn't been paying attention.

And anyone who thinks that s/he is entitled to bargain away someone else's rights isn't even entitled to the label "liberal", methinks. And methinks that the box that little old you is thinking outside of is the one that many people call inalienable rights.

[Hekate]

99. There are almost ZERO 3rd-trimester abortions. They are to SAVE the MOTHER

NO ONE wakes up one fine day in her 8th month and says, "Oh darn! nothing fits! I think I'll have me an abortion." NO ONE.

Planned Parenthood would not do this. Third trimester is what you call a VIABLE FETUS -- a PREEMIE that can live independently of its mother.

Some mothers get very sick from their pregnancies -- sick enough to die. Some fetuses do not develop normally and can NEVER live much past birth (google for anencephaly). SHIT HAPPENS.

Back when that idiot Bush and his pals passed the "partial birth abortion ban" a whole bunch of women and their husbands testified before Congress to try to talk some sense into them. They all had horror stories of pregnancies that went disastrously wrong -- babies they wanted, by the way. Some of these couples were Pro-Life, by the way. BUSH DOESN'T CARE IF WOMEN DIE AND LEAVE THEIR OTHER CHILDREN ORPHANED.

Hekate

[iverglas]

86. uh ... so?

I haven't read the entire thread, but was someone proposing that the charterers of the plane be locked up?

I'll expect you to be telling us that water is wet, next.

Actually, it isn't "free speech". "Free speech" is a right. Speech is just speech.

Some speech is pigshit. Calling pigshit pigshit isn't a violation of anyone's rights.

In fact ... I think it would speech, which is free. No?

[Name removed]

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[Vidar]

41. An oddly approplriate symbol for the illegal republican occupation of Ohio

[zanne]

42. "What's that,Mommy"?

So much for keeping graphic images out of sight for the "sake of the children".

[bleedingheart]

43. People in Cleveland have to worry about feeding the kids they have

since a lot of their jobs are being outsourced overseas...

[Gully Foyle]

44. Ok

tell me why pics of war dead aren't being flown over cities?
Christians gots the bestest propaganda machine.

[AngryOldDem]

45. This has been going on in Dayton for weeks

I posted a story when this group started doing this here.

Nice tactic, but the thing is, the planes fly so damned high you can't make out what's trailing after them. Looks like just a big flag.

Nice try, guys, but I don't think it's very effective.

[HughBeaumont]

46. Yeah, think I'll stay IN for lunch . ..

Ridiculous. Cuyahoga County is the darkest blue Ohio county. The talibornagain Bewsh-slobberers didn't sway us with their wedge issue bullshit in 2004 and they sure as hell ain't doing it now. Don't they get that this sort of diversionary tactic doesn't work with anyone that has an education?

[skypilot]

47. How does anyone know...

...that these images are of aborted fetuses? I was wondering the same thing when that idiot Peter Shinn (the guy who believed that Onion article) had a hissy fit and put up a picture of a supposedly aborted fetus on his blog. How do we know that these pictures aren't of stillbirths or of the result of some terrible complication during the pregnancy. As one DUer asked earlier: Where are they even getting these pictures?

[Seabiscuit]

49. Who the hell takes pictures of aborted fetuses???

What a bunch of sick twisted fucks.

Sometimes I think half of this country is stark raving mad.

[mhatrw]

56. Rick Santorum takes them home to sleep with his family.

At least that's what I hear.

[krispos42]

64. Yeah, Randi Rhodes and Wikipedia confirm this

<begin snip>
Santorum and his wife, Karen Garver Santorum, have six children: Elizabeth Anne; Richard John ("Johnny"), Jr.; Daniel James; Sarah Maria; Peter Kenneth; and Patrick Francis. In 1996, their son Gabriel Michael was born prematurely and lived for only two hours (a sonogram taken before Gabriel was born revealed that his posterior urethral valve was closed and that the prognosis for his survival was therefore poor). Karen Santorum wrote a book about the experience: Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum (ISBN 1568145284). In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning him to the hospital. The anecdote was also written about by Michael Sokolove in a 2005 New York Times magazine story on Santorum.<4> Karen is also the author of a book on etiquette. <3>
<end snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum

Ready? On three...

One...
Two...
Three...

EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!! :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Recursion]

84. *shrug* I hate the guy, but...

... I'm not going to question what a family does to find closure in a situation like that.

[Dead_Parrot]

89. Agreed, whatever got him through the night.

Santorum may be a prick, but you've got to pity anyone dealt a blow that that.

[Realityhack]

93. I pitty him but I still say...

thats some prity sick shit.

I pitty someone when their spouse has a heart attack... but take that body home and make your kids hold it? Seems to me I can have pitty and think its rather poor child rearing.

[springhill]

51. Maybe we should follow this up with a.........

banner of a 14 year-old girl killed after having to go to a butcher to terminate her pregnancy.

[SpeedwayDemocrat]

52. Somebody find the name of vendor with the plane they hired...

and let us know who it is, so we are sure to never use the same service for any Dem-related events.
Hit them in the financial pocketbook - so other vendors will think twice before doing something like this - is the best revenge...

[Realityhack]

94. I agree.

Not that whatever wacko they got to fly this will care. But I wouldn't want to support them anyway.

[HughBeaumont]

53. So Clevelanders, has anyone seen this?

I didn't go out for lunch and I'm on E 9th. Was it in vivid gory technicolor? Did people turn into instant Republicans on the spot?

:silly:

[sakabatou]

54. Hey if they can fly aborted fetuses...

Why not wounded/dead soldiers?
Why not wounded/dead civilians?
Why not does of vicious deseases?

[mhatrw]

55. Here's a good one to fly next.

[NashVegas]

57. Let Them

Can't wait to see it backfire.

[Bozita]

58. temp near 100, humidity to match (nice day to go out and look skyward)

Current conditions as of 12:53 pm EDT
Haze
Feels Like:
99°
Barometer:
29.92 in and falling
Humidity:
70%
Visibility:
4 mi
Dewpoint:
77°
Wind:
W 8 mph
Sunrise:
6:20 am
Sunset:
8:45 pm

[KamaAina]

60. We used to call this "fetal pornography"

But really, flying a banner from an airplane?! I guess you'd call that hardcore fetal pornography.

[maxrandb]

62. Why are they flying a "symbol of the Bush Pretzle-dency" over Ohio???

If anything has been an abortion, it's this six year nightmare!

[msanthrope]

65. FOAP--Fetus On A Plane

That's all I can say. I can't really come up with anything that hasn't been said before, because I'm still shaking my head in wonderment at these people.....

[truthisfreedom]

66. send them pictures of a bloody clotted hanger.

[Name removed]

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[RedXIII]

69. ..

Fetus is also Latin for child.

[Dead_Parrot]

88. Err, no it isn't.

"Parvulus" is the latin for child, or sometimes "Liber" (which of course is also the word for Book, and must have lead to some strange misunderstandings)

"Fetus" is literally translated as "offspring brought forth", and could be applied to a human, but could also describe a lizard egg or a nice, ripe mango.

[BluePatriot]

68. Um...

...I have no words. That is just nuts.

[RedXIII]

70. bump

bump

[RedXIII]

71. bump

bump

[SKKY]

72. For the love of all that's good, please tell me cooler heads will...

...prevail and this won't happen?!?!

[Name removed]

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[Megahurtz]

74. Lets fly a picture over them of homeless children

living on the streets in India,
or crowds of unwanted and abused children in foster care, or hell,
how about crowds of too many people in the world for that matter!

Fucking Idiots!:dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:

[happydreams]

76. Anybody want to borrow my "Sidewinder" launcher?

You'll have to get yer own missiles, I'm out. :patriot:

[RedXIII]

78. bump

bump

[OzarkDem]

79. Its been done before - couple of years ago

I recall seeing it from our office window downtown. No one really noticed. From that distance you really can't tell what is in the picture.

[Omaha Steve]

85. Killing doctors, nurses, and escorts is not pro life

I used to be a volunteer escort before I had to work Saturdays early.

[adamuu]

90. fits my definition of obscenity

intentionally inspiring disgust, publically visible, and broadly offensive.

[Lilith Velkor]

95. Wasn't that the city where the river was set on fire?

Or was that Cincinatti? Now that was obscene...

[Patchuli]

98. What a bunch of sick psychos!

That sounds like lawsuit material. How do they propose to shield children from such a thing? They can't and that is irresponsible. I hope they get sued into tomorrow. Gross...

Notice how it seems that men are the most vehement about something that will never concern them personally? Let those with a womb decide!