Iraqi general dies in custody

[punistation]

Iraqi general dies in custody

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7994734%255E1702,00.html

"A GENERAL of Saddam Hussein's dissolved armed forces has died under interrogation by US forces, in a death that a US military statement Thursday said "appeared" to be from natural causes."

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. Tortured to death?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

2. Welcome to DU. An important post.... He died "UNDER INTERROGATION"

<snip>
A GENERAL of Saddam Hussein's dissolved armed forces has died under interrogation by US forces
<snip>


The embarrasement of being an American under the rule of George II is becoming unbearable.

Travesty.

[IndianaGreen]

15. Bush is turning America into a Nazi regime

Everything that Bush has done has turned America into one of those despotic regimes we used to condemn: Torture, murder, kidnapping of innocent civilians, rampant militarism, censorship, stiffling of dissent, etc.

Each day our military comes closer to becoming a mindless machine as the Waffen SS was.

[atreides1]

42. Got Some News For You IG

The 4th ID is already a mindless machine, and has been employing almost the same tactics as the Waffen SS. The only exception so far
is that they have not wiped out an entire village of people, yet!

But with the support from the sheep, and not a single politician with
the courage to speak out against the crimes already committed by the
4th ID, when they finally do kill an entire village, no one here will
care.

THe 4th ID has taken hostages, and used torture to question a prisoner. They are on the border, and I don't think that it will be
very long before they cross it.

It's a sad day when the US military uses the tactics of an enemy that
we defeated.

[punistation]

3. RE:

#1: "Now, what did he die of?"

#2: "Natural causes."

(Enquiry ends)

#1: "So, what were the natural causes?"

#2: "The human body's inability to survive unending torture"

(1 & 2 high five, get lunch)


Kisses XXOOXX
Jen


(Just once I'd like to start an LBN thread without it being locked. I haven't seen this news posted anywere here, so ere's hoping!)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

5. LOL. I think you got a good one here. n/t

[rooboy]

9. Even the Herald Sun can get a scoop occasionally... n/t

[bpilgrim]

4. oops

well... war is hell right :shrug:

and besides we are in a struggle to the death with TERRORIST, right?

that justifies extreme measures, no?

well... it's NOT FAIR to slander a WHOLE PROGRAM due to a SINGLE slip up, humph!

and so it goes...


peace

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

6. and so it goes.

I like your graphic.

peace back at you.

[punistation]

10. RE

Always happy to share a gentle reminder of who the good guys are. ^_^

Howdy-ho from Australia, our dear Partner in Peace (tm).


Kisses XXOOXX
Jen

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. I wonder how long Al-Duri's wife and daughter will last

under their "interrogation."

Sheik Khalid Mohammed's little boys were only 7 and 9, there hasn't been an announcement about them, but it is doubtful they would have been able to withstand very much "interrogation."

[BiggJawn]

29. And when will the Army be denouced for holding hostages?

Not in OUR press...
That violates the 4th Geneva Convention, doesn't it? Holding civilians in custody for the purpose of getting their kinfolk to surrender?

Oh, how STUPID of me! <slaps forehead> I forgot, there ARE no "civilians" over there (except Haliburton employees)

[Voice_of_Europe]

38. all terrorist..

They are terrorist's wife and terrorist's children.
Therefore they are not protected by the Geneva Convention.

Ask around for the definition of terrorist and you'll find out that it's way below the definition of "human being" and therefor has no rights at all...

[CTLawGuy]

43. ...

Freeper 1: What do you smell?
Freeper 2: Manflesh! They have picked up our scent. we must move faster.

If you can guess this reference, you win 100 bucks*

* not really

[IndianaGreen]

44. Too easy!

(The lead orc pauses, and motions for the group to stop)

Orc2: What is it? What do you smell?

Orc1: Manflesh!

Pippin: *whispers to himself* Aragorn.

Orc1: They’ve picked up our trail. (growls) Let’s move!

http://groups.msn.com/LothlorienOfTheElves/tttscriptpart1.msnw

[FredScuttle]

8. Newsflash: Surgeon General to expand definition of "natural causes"...

to include electric shock to the genitals

Whatta country....

[DUJunkie]

36. right on lib71 ........

that was your 420 post.........

[MaineDem]

11. Holy crap!

Tsis should be BIG news. It's the holiday here so even if this does make the US press it'll be buried. I hope it doesn't, however.

And, welcome to DU, Jen! :hi:

[slaveplanet]

12. Lots o big news today

that few will see.....move along

[ConcernedCanuk]

13. "even if this does make the US press it'll be buried. " - just a thot

. . is anyone in DU or any other organization forwarding links to these stories to North American Media on an organized basis ?

. . I purposely said "North American" rather than the USA because my personal observation convinces me that stories like this are more likely to get published in Canada than the USA, specifically our TV Stations CBC and CTV.

Also our Toronto Star (The Star) is one of many newspapers that tend to stick to the "truth", a concept which seems to be a rarity south of our border.

Just My Humble Canuk Opinion

[MaineDem]

34. ABC Radio News had a report yesterday

I was so surprised! After reporting the news that Shrub was in Baghdad they talked about the General dying during interrogation. They didn't mention "natural causes" at all. They said the interrogation methods and the death were being investigated.

I'm curious to see this morning's papers.

[Judi Lynn]

14. I'm sure the media WILL bury it.

They're just too superficial to deal with anything serious now. Pathetic, isn't it? Makes you wonder how they perceive their jobs.
Guess they are too busy doing "showtime," to get all frowny and serious! People don't like to hear bad news, you know!


Meanwhile, I hope a lot of DU'ers will see this story, and pass it on. Maybe enough people telling what they know, like town criers, can compensate for the deep silence coming from our media.

[maddezmom]

16. my god....what are we turning into

<<"Mowhoush said he didn't feel well and subsequently lost consciousness. The soldier questioning him found no pulse, then conducted cardiac and pulmonary resuscitation and called for medical authorities," the statement said.>>

Well, I wonder how long he'd been under interrogation when he complained and subsequently lost consciousnes?

[IndianaGreen]

17. America is guilty of crimes against humanity

Here is the current international code on war crimes of the International Crimes Court:

Article 7
Crimes against humanity

1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

(a) Murder;

(b) Extermination;

(c) Enslavement;

(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;

(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;

(f) Torture;

(g) Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;

(h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;

(i) Enforced disappearance of persons;

(j) The crime of apartheid;

(k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.

http://www.un.org/law/icc/statute/romefra.htm

[Say_What]

31. Uncle Sam has DECADES of murder, torture, and mayhem

Do a little investigation into our own hemisphere. Better than that, start with our own Native Americans--the US government committed genocide on the people who lived on this land for thousands of years before you and I. Little do US sheeple know about their own history except what the corporate media feeds them, which they buy lock, stock, and barrel.

Hundreds of thousands are dead in the Western Hemisphere because Uncle Sam condoned and supported dictatorships that tortured, murdered, and disappeared thousands--150,000 in Guatamala, 30,000 in Argentina--and that's just two countries. This kinda sh*t happened all over Latin America. It's happening today in Colombia--80% of the millions (read: our tax dollars) that we send Colombia for the *drug war* goes to the military who in turn trains and advices the paramilitarties who carried out 70% of the massacres in the past two years.

What's happening in Iraq is nothing new--these atrocities have been committed for decades on our dime. I have no doubt that the same methods of suppressing the peoples of Latin America are being used to suppress the Iraqis.

[Voice_of_Europe]

37. And off toppling stable democracies

Which I find rather amusing since the US wants to bring democracy to all the people around the globe...

[Say_What]

40. Toppling stable democracies seems to be their primary goal

at least it is in Latin America. It's NEVER been about *democracy*. It's ALWAYS been about protecting US corporate intersts at ANY price. No different today. Colombia is a prime example--a phony *drug war* is being used as an excuse to provide millions for military aid and counter insurgency. OIL is the real reason.

Colombia is the US' 8th largest supplier of OIL. The area where the worst atrocities are being carried out is the area that produces 80% of Colombian OIL. Latest news is that the RW paramilitaries, responsible for 70% of the massacres in the last two years, have laid down their arms and are gonna be reintergrated back into society (school etc). Meanwhile, the city of Medellin is saying they're not gonna support these murderous thugs with taxpayer dollars. Three rings of security by the Colombian military currently guard the paras who are an a recreation site on a three week vacation!! The US lapdog Uribe is saying that this is the way to peace! Yeah, right. At the expense of how many thousands of lives? The majority of the Colombian military was trained at the School of the Americas. THAT'S Uncle Sam's version of *democracy*. I have no doubt that these same atrocities are being carried out in Iraq.

On edit: Welcome to DU, Voice of Europe :hi:

[akitamata]

18. I lived in your country for 30 years....

and I actually hate you for letting all this shit happen. If you've lost me, you've definitely lost the "ballgame". Amerikkka, land of cowards?

[DUreader]

20. Fair enough, akitamata. We have most certainly failed.

Too few are even struggling for some kind of redemption.

[Zhade]

27. Hell, I haven't even been ALIVE for 30 years.

Some of us ARE putting it on the line, you know.

[Eloriel]

30. Well, akitimata

I'm glad that (judging from other non-resident DUers), you're in the minority.

Please remember that it would be a mite bit easier if we had a free, unfettered and uncontrolled press. Or anything like it. It would also be easier if we had free elections, so we didn't have a coup in 2000 and lost control of the Senate in 2002 under curious and questionable circumstances.

It would also be easier if we had more a history of instability in government so that we regularly took to the streets in massive numbers and now and then effected coups ourselves -- like some Latin American countries (not that I'm suggesting or supporting that, I'm not -- but it IS one way NOT to "let it happen").

It would also be easier if more Americans actually understood what is going on, and that we are now living in a fascist state (of course, as I've already said: THAT would be easier if we had a free press).

And it would be easier if more Americans were more civic-minded and involved and engaged in politics and current affairs. And for ThAT one I have no excuse -- other than we've been blessed (and spoiled) for generations now and have gotten lazy and complacent. Far too trusting.

However, more and more Americans are waking up, and they're not all Democrats and other lefties, either. Through at least the next Presidential election, we have hope. If we fail there, we'll probably need external intervention.

Eloriel

[goforit]

19. Ya right!!!.................."natural causes"

What a joke.

[Cocoa]

21. good thing Saddam Hussein is gone

the reign of terror is over.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

22. Sure...they couldn't tell for sure because of all the bleeding.

[loudnclear]

23. Just another war crime by the Bush administration

Think how the media would be playing this if one of our soldiers (not even an officer) had "died" during interrogation.

[Rex]

24. So they scared the guy into having a heart attack?

I doubt it.

[DUreader]

26. Sleep deprivation often results in Cardiac Arrest

and no longer results in criminal arrests

[Iverson]

25. the implications of torturing someone to death

They are too terrible to type.
Also, since none of us has proof in our hands, those responsible have "plausible deniability."

[IndianaGreen]

28. This General was a POW under the Geneva Convention

another war crime added to the growing list of war crimes committed by US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Article 8
War crimes

1. The Court shall have jurisdiction in respect of war crimes in particular when committed as part of a plan or policy or as part of a large-scale commission of such crimes.

2. For the purpose of this Statute, "war crimes" means:

(a) Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:

(i) Wilful killing;

(ii) Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;

(iii) Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;

http://www.un.org/law/icc/statute/romefra.htm

[monobrau]

32. Brits will not be happy

Sad to say this won't create the outrage it deserves here in the states, but this will probably infuriate the british, who are already rightfuly disgusted at lap dog Blair's complicity in war crimes.

[cliss]

33. Yup. Hard to believe, isn't it?

That the United States, my home, would be involved in killing, maiming and torturing people to death? The land of the "free". The shining light of freedom and hope around the world, that other nations could aspire to, and strive toward, for the sake of all people who want democracy.

Something happened to our country a long time ago. Because we are most definitely not what we think we are. We're a nation led by terrorists.

[havocmom]

35. So he died rather than tell the "interrogators" where the WMDs are hidden?

Could that be because there are no WMDs? That is one of the questions we need to pound them with on this on, besides the obvious one of how our troops can expect to be treated when this is what we do to theirs.

I wonder what sort of security the wives and chilren of American officers are getting these days. This has bothered me ever since the insurance company handling military and dependent coverage in Arizona got hacked. Names, ages, addresses of dependents in whose hands?

[tedzbear]

39. I wonder why they didn't keep the death top secret?

Why did they even bother to release this shocking revelation? I don't understand the military thinking in this matter. Normally they would hide this using the time worn excuse of "national security."

[monobrau]

41. A warning to others?

The only reason I can think of is the effect it would have on future detainees. Knowing that we will kill you during interrogation is incentive to talk. And they know they can get away with it as far as U.S. public opinion goes.