Museum Uses Bible to Tell Earth's History

[NVMojo]

PETERSBURG, Ky. (AP) - Like most natural history museums, this one has exhibits showing dinosaurs roaming the Earth. Except here, the giant reptiles share the forest with Adam and Eve.

That, of course, is contradicted by science, but that's the point of the $25 million Creation Museum rising fast in rural Kentucky.

Its inspiration is the Bible - the literal interpretation that contends God created the heavens and the Earth and everything in them just a few thousand years ago.

"If the Bible is the word of God, and its history really is true, that's our presupposition or axiom, and we are starting there," museum founder Ken Ham said during recent tour of the sleek and modern facility, which is due to open next year.

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2006/jul/31/073101868.html

[geardaddy]

1. What is it with these idiots?

K&R

[loves_dulcinea]

9. bill moyer's faith and reason

had a guest and he thought about that very question. he offered an opinion that sounded something like this:

they don't seem to understand that you can take some parts of the bible literally and others metaphorically. they have it in their heads that they have to believe the poetic language literally in order to keep their faith.

i've always called it wearing blinders.

[gtar100]

26. But they do take parts metaphorically,

Matthew 5:44 -- But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you

FUNDY - :nuke: But I do love them. We just got to bomb them before they bomb us.

Mark 12:31 -- And the second is like this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

FUNDY - Secret - deep down I really hate being alive. It's just so scary. So I'll go along with this one.

Luke 6:27 -- But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

FUNDY - la la la la la , I can't hear you , la la la la la

I John 3:18 -- My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

FUNDY - Oops, what was that? I'm sorry I got distracted there for a second. Could you repeat...oh never mind, go on.

Matthew 19:24 -- It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God

FUNDY - Metaphorically he was speaking about really tiny camels or very large needles. You see, he was saying the rich need to be like small camels, the kind that don't carry too much. Or they need to be like really large needles. Now I know somewhere God said that he blesses the righteous with lots of good stuff.

Psalms 68:21-23 -- But God will smash the heads of his enemies, crushing the skulls of those who love their guilty ways. The Lord says, "I will bring my enemies down from Bashan; I will bring them up from the depths of the sea. You, my people, will wash your feet in their blood, and even your dogs will get their share!"

FUNDY -- Ooh, gives me goose bumps just thinkin' 'bout it. What? Old Testament? So??? It's God's Word!! And I am His servant and must do my part to smash heads and crush the skulls of His enemies. After all, Jesus is coming back, you know.

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So you see, the religious right does think in terms of nuance and subtle meanings that go beyond mere words.

[lapfog_1]

2. Stupid on science, stupid on business

I mean, if they REALLY REALLY believe in the bible (including The Book of Revelation), why bother building an attraction at all? The target audience is about to be raptured into the sky by Jeebus. Bad business plan if you ask me.

[Bucky]

20. I dunno. If they're about to be raptured away, they might spend more money

No money in heaven. Spend it now and see the amazing "Creationosaurus"!

[superconnected]

3. Most bible scholars would not agree.

[hyphenate]

4. Oh, I guess my now former fundie friend

will be seeing that on her "honeymoon" this next week and a half. The soon-to-be groom (who she has never met) professes to be a "good Christian" and shares her Creationist and fundie ideas. It's more the sad for the reason that my friend is a well educated woman who should know better.

At one point, she told me this past week that she and "Howard" were praying for me. I told I didn't want to be prayed for--that it gave me the creeps.

[CatholicEdHead]

18. Never met the groom yet?

:wtf: I thought that custom has gone into history here in the US. That must be an arranged marriage. There should be no problems with that marriage. :sarcasm:

[hyphenate]

21. Nope

I did a tirade on the subject about a month or so ago. She hooked up with this guy back in February online at a "Christian" dating site, and is running off to Kentucky to finally meet him and get married. We're talking about an educated woman who should know better. He's been married three times already. He works as a prison guard. I told her during the trip that she was a fool for doing it, and if she did, I was no longer her friend. I know I have no right to tell her what to do, but her fundamentalism has been a major deterrent to our 20+ year friendship.

So, I also told her that trusting some asshole after only six months and ignoring her longtime friend only showed me where I stood. I told her getting married just to have "sex" isn't exactly the smart reason to marry this dude.

[Realityhack]

100. Way to go.

Its very hard to make the choice you did but not enabling someone can be quite important.
Hope your friend snapps out of it but it doesn't sound likely.

[Hekate]

117. I'm sure he spun her a yarn about being "born again"--& no one would ever

...lie about that just to seduce a religious woman, now would they?

Oy yoy yoy. Good luck to her; she's going to need it.

Hekate

[hyphenate]

121. I don't know too much else

about him, but I know that my friend Barb has gone over the edge of the abyss and won't be returning to reality any time soon!

[Hav]

5. .

I don't want to offend anyone here, but whenever there is a story like this, it's pretty much always either Kentucky or Kansas ;).

[illumn8d]

13. Don't forget Super Dino Land in Florida

That's Kent Hovind's theme park.

[OregonDem]

24. Kent Hovind tells people that he has a PhD in education,

so he appears to be an expert.
He just forgets to mention its for "christian education".
:sarcasm:

[hyphenate]

105. Yup

Dr. Dino

Article not that long ago about how he's been arrest for tax evasion. To the tune of something like $233,000. Asshole. It's "scientists" like him that we could very well do without.

[longship]

6. Holy Shit!

And I mean that literally.

There's no end to these pricks.

[pinto]

7. It's a free country. If he's got the money to do it - no federal funds -

he's welcome to it. :eyes:

[54anickel]

10. Wait for the school field trip season to fire up. I might have to stock

up on the popcorn.

[karlrschneider]

53. If any of it's under the auspices of a tax-exempt organization, we ALL

are subsidizing it.
:grr:

[Realityhack]

101. Not quite...

The fact that I do not think what he is doing should be illigal is lightyears from 'he's welcome to it'. Just because it isn't illigal dosn't mean I can't take offence at someone setting up a brainwashing shop.

[tandot]

8. "Americans just aren't gullible enough to believe that they came from...

...a fish," he said.

How do you respond to such utter ignorance? Total disregard for facts and science :crazy:

[daleo]

11. The Moron Museum

If people want to amuse themselves with Flintstones exhibits, they should go to the Hanna-Barberra museum. I wonder who ponied up $25 million for this delusion?

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Don't they realize that the Bible was written by people

who thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around us?

[Zhade]

14. Literalists are ignorant.

One example why: the bible says rabbits have cloven hooves and chew cud.

[Bandit]

15. Notice how their supposition begins with if instead of we know this

If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass every time they hopped.

[VegasWolf]

16. For friggin sake, it's Kentucky! It's not NY or California. What else

should one expect from the friggen Babble Belt.

[rpannier]

17. Sooooooooo..............

are the fundies dropping the notion that, "Dinosaur bones were put there by Satan to deceive the faithful"?

[MGKrebs]

19. From their website:

"Recently, one of our associates sat down with a highly respected world-class Hebrew scholar and asked him this question: ‘If you started with the Bible alone, without considering any outside influences whatsoever, could you ever come up with millions or billions of years of history for the Earth and universe?’ The answer from this scholar? ‘Absolutely not!’

Let’s be honest. Take out your Bible and look through it. You can’t find any hint at all for millions or billions of years."

I think that's a circular argument and a straw man and some smoke and mirrors all rolled into one!

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1866.asp

[XemaSab]

25. Neither can you find any hint at all

Of dinosaurs, the Americas (not to mention Australia and Antarctica), genetics, or any modern scientific discoveries (including chemistry, physics, biology, geology, astronomy, or anything else).

Furthermore, ask them how the hell all those critters could have fit on the ark? In North America alone you'd have 2 kinds of deer, pronghorn, buffalo, musk ox, caribou, a couple kinds of elk, moose, 2 kinds of sheep, goats, about 5 different cats, raccoons, possums, 5 or 6 foxes, hundreds of rodents and rabbits, dozens of bats, javelina, 3 kinds of bears, coyotes, wolves, 2 kinds of skunk, wolverines, several weasels, fishers, martins, and probably a bunch of stuff I'm forgetting.

That's without reptiles, amphibians, and birds. Of which there are at least a thousand all told.

And none of them are mentioned in the Bible.

[Auntie Bush]

111. Have any Fundies or Creationists ever explained how Noah

was able to feed all those animals or how he kept them from eating each other? etc. etc. etc.

[OregonDem]

22. This is what the fundies want taught in our schools

with only one textbook for history , science and math... the BuyBull.

[Duncan]

36. BUYBULL! LOL ! thats great. nt

[SPKrazy]

23. Why Is This In LBN

it isn't new

the Kentuckians have had this POS museum for a while now

[niallmac]

27. Oooh! It's "The Creation Museum"

If that's the name of the place then I have no problem with whatever they show.
If I see a museum titled "The Stupid Museum" then I know it's not some
actual part of science as we know it. It's a joke in more than one respect.

[w4rma]

28. I bet he'll make alot of money off of ignorant creationists with this.(nt)

[michaelwb]

29. I hate to say it

There's some sick part of me that would be really amused to look at the museum - as long as I don't have to pay or profit them in any way.

I would certainly laugh long and loud....

[GI_NE_DEM]

30. Tolerance?

This type of post is why I think a lot of people stereotype Democrats. People, there ARE Christians out here who happen to be DEMOCRATS, and who are intelligent, caring individuals. We just also happen to have a strong faith in the bible, and try to live our lives accordingly. Why do you all seem to have no problem defending Wiccans, and yet almost always put down Christians? And please don't say it's only the "fundies" you have problems with, because I am offended that you continually put down my faith in (as some have said, "the invisible cloud being". If it's not a publicly funded project, why are you so upset about this museum?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

32. The Christian Democrats who are intelligent, caring individuals

also think this creationist idiocy is a crock of shit. Ask them.

[GI_NE_DEM]

39. Oh Really?

And you know all the Christian Democrats personally? This is what I mean by your stereotyping religious people. It's not up to YOU to tell people what to believe. I AM a caring, intelligent individual who happens to be a Christian, and also a Democrat. I am a Democrat because I've always believed the party to be more for helping people, and more accepting of individuals. What I'm hearing from you is that unless I am an atheist, I'm stupid and ignorant. I get to choose what I believe, and that includes creationism. I'll ask you again, if this is a PRIVATELY funded project, WHAT are you so upset about?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

47. If I was stereotyping religious people

I'd think all of them are like you. And THAT would be awful.

And you're not hearing me. You're hearing voices in your head. "What I'm hearing from you is that unless I am an atheist, I'm stupid and ignorant." Did you even bother to READ my post? What I said is the EXACT OPPOSITE!

"Upset?" If I see someone doing something stupid, I'll say "gee, that's stupid." Is that being upset? Are you upset that Richard Dawkins sells lots of books?

[GI_NE_DEM]

52. No, I'm not

upset that Richard Dawkins sells lots of books. I'm not upset that evolution is taught in schools. I'm not upset that organized prayer is not allowed in schools, and I wish "under God" had never been added to the pledge of allegiance. I don't want the government to interpret the bible for me, and I believe my faith is between me and God. I understand that you have the lowest opinion about people like me, but my point was that there really are a lot of good, caring people out here who ARE Christians, and also Democrats. If you think the museum is stupid, don't go.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

55. You think I don't believe in that?

That there really are a lot of good, caring people out here who ARE Christians, and also Democrats? That was my POINT!

Hey, wait a second. Do you believe Christians who don't believe in Creationism aren't really Christians? That's the only logical conclusion of what you're saying.

[GI_NE_DEM]

60. No, I'm saying

I can only live my life by MY beliefs. I believe God decides who is really a Christian or not. Are you saying that because I believe in Creationism, I'm not "really" a caring person who is a Christian, and also a Democrat? Do I have to renounce part of my faith to be a "good Democrat"? Can you give me the other parts of the bible I'm supposed to be "enlightened" about and renounce in order to be a "good Democrat?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

61. People who believe dinosaurs and men existed alongside each other

automatically means "bats in the belfry" for me.

Maybe you live in a fundamentalist enclave, but, in the world at large, most Christians DON'T believe that.

Moreover, such kooky beliefs are usually the harbinger of other, more damaging beliefs. Like thinking some of the punishments for things percieved as sinful in Leviticus should be applied today.

Don't tell me those things aren't related. They are. I know from personal experience.

[GI_NE_DEM]

66. I'm sorry

for your personal experience... I have known a few people who don't understand the difference or reasoning between the Old and New Testaments. This is just my point though. People here keep throwing around phrases like "most Christians do this", and "most Christians are that". I have two children and have never physically hurt them in any way. You make it sound like a belief in Creationism is the gateway belief to abusing your kids!

[CanuckAmok]

68. Don't listen to him... he's from Brazil.

And you know what they're like. :eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

76. No, it's not.

More like a canary in a coalmine.

[Realityhack]

95. IMO

You can be religious and a democrat
You can be a democrat and intelegent
you can be an intelgent religious democrat
you can be a literal creationist democrat
you can be a literal creationist christian.

But...

Literal creationist and Inteleget are mutualy exclusive.

Therefore...

You can NOT be an intelgent democratic literal creationist. It has nothing to do with the democrat part.
---
Which is exactly what so many people have been trying to tell you.

[NVMojo]

81. WTF are you so upset about? I suggest you stop reading this thread

and stop trying to change people who don't think like you. Let it go. Leave others alone in their thoughts and posts if you are going to be reduced to one who spews judgement. Judge not, lest you be judged ...

Peace.

[GI_NE_DEM]

86. What?

I'm not upset. I'm not trying to convert anyone. How am I judging anyone? I've said over and over that my beliefs are just that..MINE. EVERYONE is entitled to their own beliefs. But okay, I'll stop reading this thread and leave others alone in their thoughts and posts. (guess I'm not entitled to thoughts and posts of my own?..) The sad thing is I'll bet on most other subjects we'd agree nearly across the board, but because of this one subject, you've already judged me. Oh well.

Peace to you too.

[BulletproofLandshark]

34. Having a "Creation Museum" is an affront to human intelligence.

And frankly, I don't care if you or anyone else stereotypes me for calling out this kind of ignorance whenever it rears its' ugly head.

[GI_NE_DEM]

41. So is most of reality TV,..but,

that is why I CHOOSE not to watch it. Why do you insist on telling me what I can or cannot believe, in my religious views? If this museum offends you, DON'T GO to it. Why are you so concerned about others beliefs? I don't run around trying to convert everyone to my religion. I try and live my life by my religious beliefs. If part of my belief is in creationism, what business is that of yours? This is what I mean by stereotypes. You have pigeon-holed people who believe in creationism as stupid, ignorant fundamentalists. Most of us are just trying to live our lives by our faith. So, I'll ask again...if this is a PRIVATELY funded museum, WHY are you getting so upset about it? And by the way, I wasn't stereotyping YOU.. I was saying you stereotype all Christians.

[BulletproofLandshark]

42. Creationism IS ignorant.

It's nothing but pseudo-science that seeks not to coexist with, but to replace science. Sorry, but I'm just not ready to turn back the clock 400 years because fundamentalists want to take everything in their holy book as literal, indisputable truth. That's not a knock against only fundamentalist Christianity by the way. Fundamentalists of ANY stripe are dangerous, and need to have their backwards worldview shouted down as frequently as possible.

[GI_NE_DEM]

45. It's called FAITH

WHO is asking you to turn back the clock? Why am I dangerous? I am a middle-aged mother of 2. I was valedictorian of my high school class, and chose to quit college (with a 3.90 GPA), after two years to marry and have a family. We live our lives based on our beliefs in the bible. HOW am I dangerous to YOU? Again, you are lumping all bible-believing people into one, and calling all of us ignorant, stupid, and now "dangerous". I guess the difference between us is this: I don't personally condemn anyone whose beliefs or life styles are different than mine. If you reject the bible, that's your choice. Why are you so adamant about "shouting down my choice as frequently as possible"?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. That's an insult to faith.

Creationism museums like this are based on out-right lies and purposeful ignorance. It's got nothing to do with either faith or believing the Bible.

[GI_NE_DEM]

62. No, that's an insult

to whatever YOUR faith is or is not. It's got everything to do with faith and believing the bible. I'll ask you what I've asked someone else on this subject...What other parts of the bible does the Democrat party require me to reject or renounce in order to be a "good Democrat". Because there is a lot of stuff there that is really unbelievable in today's world. So, are you saying that since I'm not willing to give up parts of my beliefs, that I'm not welcome as a Democrat? For crying out loud, I've worn my "Worst President Ever" T-shirt to the local mall here at serious risk to life and limb...(only partly kidding about the risk part...I live in a very red city).

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

67. Faith doesn't mean believing in things that are wrong.

It's not faith to believe that the world is flat. It's just plain dumb.

[GI_NE_DEM]

70. How many people do you know

who've risen from the dead? That's what a Christian's faith is based on. So, I'm dumb for being a Christian. Thanks.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. Christ's rising from the grave was metaphorical.

More to the point, do you believe that the circumference of a circle divided by its diameter is three? Because that's what it says in the Bible.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

74. And don't forget about what we should do with them gays. -nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

75. Good point.

Bible says you should stone gay people to death.

That's even worse than pi = 3.

[Realityhack]

103. Pi=3 ROCKS

If someonbe thinks that Pi=3 do you know how much money we can make buying petrolium in spherical units and re-selling it in rectangular ones? Actualy Forget petrolium, how about gold, platnum... ooh... Pi=3 is awsome.

[Zhade]

102. Probably as many as you know - none.

Because, of course, you *don't* "know" that this purported Jesus guy (if he really existed) rose from the dead.

You BELIEVE it. Silly belief IMHO (why believe that which has no evidence to support it?), but you're entitled to it, and as long as it's a personal belief and not a crusade, it's still possible to work with you.

[Zhade]

99. Do you believe slavery is okay?

Your bible does. That's one of the parts of the bible you'd reject, right? So I contend you're probably not all that literalist (I hope so, anyway, because if you DO think slavery is okay, please lock the door behind you as you leave).

If you have any desire to push your beliefs on anyone via legislation in any way, you are not welcome here. I see above you do not, which is good.

Believe whatever backward wrong things about the planet you wish - we're all entitled to our beliefs, no matter how laughable and stupid they may be.

I'll still work with you against Republican fascist rule, just so long as you leave your creationism off the agenda.

[Misunderestimator]

50. You're comparing reality TV to a museum?

Museums are there to teach people about art and history. This "museum," even if privately funded, is dangerous in that it is posing as a place of truth, when it is really rewriting ancient history to try to convince people (children mainly) that their version of the biblical "truth" is the correct version. Dinosaurs? A few thousand years ago?

A "safe" version of a creationist museum would be one that didn't consciously lie about history. Creationists don't believe that dinosaurs existed before their creation began, yet bones of dinosaurs are proven to be millions of years earlier than that.

Therefore, this "museum" is very dangerous.

[GI_NE_DEM]

59. Still don't see why

this is "dangerous". Is there a law that I missed somewhere that mandates all people visiting this "museum"? What you're not understanding is that to the people who WOULD go to this "museum", most of what they see there would probably be seen as "truth" to them. It is their FAITH. They CHOOSE to believe the bible as it was written. Every religion has a different interpretation. Changing water to wine? Walking on water? Noah's ark? Rising from the dead? SCIENCE has said all these things are not possible. But that's why it's called FAITH. I'm not trying to convert anyone here, I'm just saying that you are alienating a LOT of people when you bash people who believe in their interpretation of the bible.

[Misunderestimator]

63. Children basically go where adults lead them. A "museum" like this...

validates a scientific lie. If they were really being true to their FAITH, they would not try to depict dinosaurs with other biblical figures and pretend that they existed together a mere few thousand years ago. They would leave the dinosaurs OUT of the equation. That would be honest.

I'm not bashing anyone. I'm saying that I think it's dangerous to teach children lies.

[fudge stripe cookays]

78. Hmmmm....

If you're already a Democrat, then who are we alienating?

You're just pissed that we don't want a museum presenting fiction as fact. You understand, don't you that the purpose of museums is to educate and enlighten...not drag people back to the Dark Ages? You already vote with us, right? Or do you....

I notice you've disabled your profile. Little skittish are we?

[GI_NE_DEM]

85. Um, no

I'm not pissed at all. If you don't want a museum like this, don't fund or help it in anyway. And just for argument's sake, you say "...not drag people back to the Dark Ages". Well, by your reasoning, just WHO is being drug back, who isn't already there intellectually anyway? I mean, would anyone on this board even go to this museum, and come away thinking, "Wow, that museum really changed my mind!". No. The museum is for those already of a certain belief. I wouldn't go to it or one like it if it were near me, because my idea of creationism is a little more complicated than dinosaurs and man together. But, thank you for accusing me of not even being a Democrat. My very Republican uncle would be thrilled to hear it. And, I wasn't aware that disabling my profile would discount any thoughts I might want to contribute. Maybe you could list all the rules and regulations for being a Democrat and contributing on this forum?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

87. There's a guy in Wisconsin building a Hitler Museum.

It's got exhibits on how the holocaust didn't happen, and photos of Hitler figure skating, and all that jazz.

No he's perfectly welcome to believe what he wants, and he can go ahead and build a museum for it. But don't pretend that there's something wrong with us criticizing him for it.

[fudge stripe cookays]

108. Come off it.

Anyone who comes here and disables a profile while sitting at 15 posts is going to be suspect.

If you can't even be creative enough to concoct SOMETHING persona-wise to let people know you aren't a troll, people will figure you ARE one. Just a tip. It severely limits your believability.

So if you're wondering why people are treating you with such hostile disdain, I'm going to let you in on a little secret.....

:eyes:

[Zhade]

96. Dude, the bible says rabbits have cloven hooves and chew cud.

Ever seen a rabbit? Of course you have, which means you've seen that THEY DON'T!

Creationism is nonsense. If you believe in it, you are ignorant of science. That does not make you a bad person, just uninformed of reality with regards to history, science, etc.

[Realityhack]

97. To be honest about reality TV

It offends my sensibilitys as well. So does the MSM and much of the non main stream media.

There are lots of stupid things that I find offensive. This thread just happens to be about a specific one.

[supernova]

46. I'm a xtain and am ashamed of this crap

I really have a huge issue with my fellow xtains who think this kind of ignorance is A-OK. Being Christian isn't an excuse to live in alternate-reality land (i.e., we lived with the Dinosaurs)

Give me a fucking break.

This museum is obscene in the extreme. How many homeless shelters could you put up with that money? How many kids could you teach to read? (And great literature too, not your warped, perverted view of the bible?). edit: Or a million and one other ways to be of service to our fellow man. But no, this group has to create a palace to honor their ignorance. Wow. Just wow.


edit: I'm an Elder in the Presbyterian Church USA

[HEyHEY]

48. Cause it's bullshit?

[Realityhack]

93. Cute picture. (n\t)

[asthmaticeog]

49. I know what you mean. One wouldn't even DARE to run for office

in this country without making a show of his devout adherence to Wicca. It's like those pagans have hegemonic control of our whole damn culture!

[pokercat999]

88. I got no problem with any religion. Just don't

try to make me live my life by your rules.


The problem comes in when you use notions from your religion to make our laws. Like laws that make me a criminal for playing my favorite game, poker. Stupid laws that make it a crime to sell sex (except corporate advertising). Stupid laws that forbid persons of the same gender to live together as spouses. Politicians that use their religion to murder people in wars of opportunity. It's not your religion or any other (I consider them all just silly superstitions) it's your use of it to try to control my life that pisses me off. Leave me the fuck alone and I won't EVER bother you, OK? Stop mixing your religion with my government!

I have complete tolerance for any religion. Do with it as you please, as long as you keep it to yourself. Do you have any tolerance for my right to live my life as I choose? I don't ask you to gamble, sell sex or marry ANYONE, have an abortion or even to get off the couch, why does "your kind", (your brethren, maybe you too, I don't know) hassle me?

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Zhade]

91. "who are intelligent...individuals" - not if they're biblical literalists!

Hell, if they believe the bible is literally true, thousands of proven facts to the contrary, then I don't worry about their vote, because I think they're probably too stupid to find the polling place.

"Why do you all seem to have no problem defending Wiccans..."

You say that like Wiccans are BAD. What was that about tolerance again?

[Realityhack]

92. Are you a literalist?

Do you agree with teaching biblical literalism as science? Do you beleive the bible should be literaly interpreted?

I think people have a good reason to be indignant and upset when people try to push things that are this far gone on them. This is essentialy an attack on science.

Yes its a privately funded prodject. And I would not agree with stopping it. But the people who are building this are also trying to turn this into a christian theocracy. They are trying to brainwash as many people as they can into completely rejecting science in favor of religion as interpreted by them. I take offence at that.

[illumn8d]

104. Which post is this originally in reference to?

[mainer]

31. Do they have talking snakes?

Do they have a display of every single species on earth, in pairs, that would have crowded aboard Noah's ark? And how the ark could have held them all?

[semillama]

43. It's a good thing Samuel L. Jackson wasn't Noah.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have any snakes today.

[BulletproofLandshark]

44. Get these MFing snakes

off my MFing ark! :rofl: :rofl:

[NVMojo]

82. yes, totally agree! post of the day!!!!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

79. Post of the Day Award n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

33. The most outrageous statement of this group was

the guy in the article who was quoted as saying, 'Americans aren't so gullible as to believe they came from a fish.' So apparently, someone who disagrees is both gullible and un-American, I guess.

[OregonDem]

35. I suppose he feels better believeing he was created from dirt

like thats better than being decended from a fish.

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground....

[noonwitch]

37. A private museum is exactly where this creation stuff should be

It just doesn't need to be taught in the public schools as scientific fact.

I do think that debate over the matter is appropriate for high school science students. A good teacher can guide it into a situation where all the kids come away with the knowlege they need.

This is what I tell people who don't believe in teaching their children about evolution-I encourage them to teach it in a critical manner. That way, the kids learn what they need to in order to pass science class, but are free to believe in their hearts whatever they want.

[YankeyMCC]

38. A dream response would be to build a

museum depicting the mythology of Lord of the Rings right next door. Treat the myths as seriously as these jokers are treating the bible myths and directly compete.

I wonder which would make more money :)

[fjc]

40. Well, we had Cecil B. Demille's 10 Commandments. Why not this?

[ChickMagic]

51. There's a Creation "Evidence" Museum in Glen Rose, TX

The guy has what he calls a hyperbaric chamber that he plans to fill
with primordial gas to prove that snake venom wasn't poisonous in
Eden. It's an old, rusted underground tank (and for you geeks) it
has square windows. Go ahead! Pressurize it and stand real close!
I call this the Flintstonian view of the world.

[ThomCat]

123. This post should have received a response.

:(

It's funny! Maybe you have a magical talent for stealth. :P

[melm00se]

56. its privately funded

he can do as he pleases.

so who cares?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. If somebody built a Hot Air Ballon Ride to the Moon...

I'd be laughing at that too.

[pokercat999]

90. Yeah, cause when you got to outerspace the cold would

make the balloon go really, really fast and you could like hurt your ear drums or something. Now that would be funny.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

65. Only because it's legal doesn't mean it isn't harmful.

Therefore, we care.

[GI_NE_DEM]

69. So, you're solution would be

what? Have the government shut it down because it's "harmful to children"? Ostracize the poor pitiful people who choose to believe their understanding of the bible? Shut down all churches that preach creationism? Make all who believe in any of the miraculous happenings in the bible PROVE just exactly how each was possible? Is it just creationism, or just the whole God and bible thing? I mean, come on, "Noah's Ark"? "Walking on water"? And please, "Rising from the dead"? Who could believe such things in today's modern world, right? So really, is that what you want? For us to reject and renounce the unbelievable things in the bible? Sorry, can't do it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

71. Calling a spade a spade beats staying silent.

And it can do wonders. Things like the "Cosmos" TV series showed things like they are, beautifully, and I bet many a 40-something person steered away from religious fanaticism because of it.

Where did I even remotely imply I want it shut down by the government? Only fanatics with delusions of persecution would take such an idea seriously.

[fudge stripe cookays]

109. Ah.

The you're vs. your dilemma. The freeper's grammatical nightmare.

You're getting more and more transparent by the moment, friend.

[Zhade]

112. Yeah, it must be hard to reject what even you call unbelievable.

Regarding your histrionics, I think Bill O'Rielly is calling - you left your copy of his "war on christmas" lecture behind.

I mean, for crying out loud, people call your belief in creationism stupid (which it is) without attacking you personally, and suddenly you're claiming persecution. Give it a rest, no one's planning any of the things you're hysterical over.

You're not THAT special, and your views are in Christianity's minority fringe, so whatthefuckever.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

118. Repeating Zhade, louder: YOUR VIEWS ARE IN CHRISTIANITY'S MINORITY FRINGE.

It may be a hard pill to swallow, but it's best for you to eventually swallow it.

Of course, you're perfectly free to do what's worst for you, so, repeating Zhade yet again... whatthefuckever.

[Realityhack]

98. I do.

I absolutely agree. He is free to do as he wishis. But that doesn't mean I don't care what he does.
Someone brought up an anti-holocost museam. Same situation. Perfectly legal for a private citizen/group. But that doesn't mean I don't think its harmful. In both cases I think what is being 'taught' is very harmful both to the individuals seduced and to the society as a whole.
Do I want some stop put to him? No of course not. But I would like to see more people stand up and say 'You sir, are wrong. You are completely ignorant and your teachings are hazardous to progress. We want nothing to do with you' instead of just... 'gee its his money so who cares'.

Fucking I do. I care if he indocrinates children in false belifs hindering our society as a whole by denying its children freedom of though.

[Zhade]

113. Bravo! Just as he's free to believe idiocy, we're free to call it such.

And it is. It really, really is. Sooooooooooooooooo stupid.

I don't get how people can be THAT DUMB!

[maxsolomon]

57. next time i go back to Cincy, i'm driving down

and i will point & laugh laugh laugh.

[Gully Foyle]

64. Well

Flintstone history.
But Flinstones merely echoed the society achieved by the Jetsons.
A society declined rapidly.
Kind of like Atlantis and the modern world.

[orleans]

73. argh. why bother having a museum? why give the appearance

you want to educate your kids when really you want them to grow up like idiots?

[stepnw1f]

77. How Ridiculous and Embarrassing

Like a child who can't bring itself to accepting the World around it. Get over it already....

My Theory:

Man, trying to BE God....

[Sapere aude]

80. P T Barnum had a similar thing. His was a sideshow with freaks.

He said there was a fool born every minute. Now the fools can go to the creation museum and throw their money away.

[NVMojo]

83. now you are making me miss HBOs Carnivale!!! Freaks and All!!!

[Zhade]

114. ...and bitch and moan about how people are calling them stupid.

For, get this - believing stupid shit!

:eyes:

(For the record: creationism is mind-numbing, coma-inducing pure IDIOCY. I will NEVER back down from stating that fact, because creationism is flat-out WRONG.)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

119. I now have a new sig line. Check it out.

[TroglodyteScholar]

84. A few thousand years??? They're deceiving the public!

The article said:

Its inspiration is the Bible - the literal interpretation that contends God created the heavens and the Earth and everything in them just a few thousand years ago.

If they REALLY went by what the Bible says, God created everything in SIX DAYS, not a few thousand years.

QUIT DECEIVING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, CREATION MUSEUM! WE'RE SMARTER THAN THAT!

[Realityhack]

106. Huh?

Their claim is that he created it in 6 days... 6 days that were a few thousnad years ago (as in not yesterday but a day six thousand years ago). Hence, "created... just a few thousand years ago" not "created ... in just a few thousand years".

[TroglodyteScholar]

115. Sorry, misunderstood...

I thought the Creation Movement had been infiltrated by those awful, awful evolutionists who want to interpret the Bible loosely. WHEW, close call.

[VegasWolf]

89. The museum even has talking tours for the tongue speakers ---

the tape recorder repeats "Abba gabba gooba" for every station. Be sure not to miss the rattlesnake pit where you can test your "faith" if you are feeling spiritually weak. Live rattlesnake shows daily at 10:00, 12:30, and 2:30. Children can have their picture taken with the T-Rex, just like in the good ole days. The petting zoo is open all day. Don't forget to take in the movie "5000 BCE, where is Charles Darwin, I don't see him!!!"

[NVMojo]

116. HAHA!!!

:rofl: :spray:

[NoodleyAppendage]

94. Hot damn! Now I can open my Polygamy is Good Biblical Museum!

And, I'm offering franchise opportunities for the Slavery is Fabulous Biblical Museum, Stoning for Adultery Biblical Museum, and Pacifist "Turn the Other Cheek" Biblical Museum...

J

[usregimechange]

107. All of earth's history? How many chapters will it be missing?

[WCGreen]

110. I wonder if the people donating to this crappy "museum will

be getting a tax break....

[OregonDem]

120. To be a creationist, you have to believe that primitive people

were well informed and not superstitous or ignorant even though they were uneducated and had very little science at the time, while today's most brillant scientists are bumbling morons who just don't get it.

[Anakin Skywalker]

122. Thank You For Sharing......

Now that I know, I will avoid this "museum" like the plague.