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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:05 PM
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Book: Sept. 11 panel considered Pentagon probe
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 08:06 PM by savemefromdumbya
Man! They're toast!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14191255/

Updated: 8:48 p.m. ET Aug 4, 2006
WASHINGTON - The Sept. 11 commission was so frustrated with repeated misstatements by the Pentagon and FAA about their response to the 2001 terror attacks that it considered an investigation into possible deception, the panel’s chairmen say in a new book.

Republican Thomas Kean and Democrat Lee Hamilton also say in “Without Precedent” that their panel was too soft in questioning former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani — and that the 20-month investigation may have suffered for it.

The book, a behind-the-scenes look at the investigation, recounts obstacles the authors say were thrown up by the Bush administration, internal disputes over President Bush’s use of the attacks as a reason for invading Iraq, and the way the final report avoided questioning whether U.S. policy in the Middle East may have contributed to the attacks.

Kean and Hamilton said the commission found it mind-boggling that authorities had asserted during hearings that their air defenses had reacted quickly and were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93, which appeared headed toward Washington.

In fact, the commission determined — after it subpoenaed audiotapes and e-mails of the sequence of events — that the shootdown order did not reach North American Aerospace Command pilots until after all of the hijacked planes had crashed.

The book states that commission staff, “exceedingly frustrated” by what they thought could be deception, proposed a full review into why the FAA and the Pentagon’s NORAD had presented inaccurate information. That ultimately could have led to sanctions.

Due to a lack of time, the panel ultimately referred the matter to the inspectors general at the Pentagon and Transportation Department. Both are preparing reports, spokesmen said this week.

No explanation for post-9/11 actions
“Fog of war could explain why some people were confused on the day of 9/11, but it could not explain why all of the after-action reports, accident investigations and public testimony by FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue,” the book states.

The questioning of Giuliani was considered by Kean and Hamilton “a low point” in the commission’s examination of witnesses during public hearings. “We did not ask tough questions, nor did we get all of the information we needed to put on the public record,” they wrote.

Commission members backed off, Kean and Hamilton said, after drawing criticism in newspaper editorials for sharp questioning of New York fire and police officials at earlier hearings. The editorials said the commission was insensitive to the officials’ bravery on the day of the attacks.

“It proved difficult, if not impossible, to raise hard questions about 9/11 in New York without it being perceived as criticism of the individual police and firefighters or of Mayor Giuliani,” Kean and Hamilton said.

Congress established the commission in 2002 to investigate government missteps leading to the Sept. 11 attacks. Its 567-page unanimous report, which was released in July 2004 and became a national best seller, does not blame Bush or former President Clinton but does say they failed to make anti-terrorism a high priority before the attacks.

The panel of five Republicans and five Democrats also concluded that the Sept. 11 attacks would not be the nation’s last, noting that al-Qaida had tried for at least 10 years to acquire weapons of mass destruction.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 08:35 PM
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1. So they failed in their duties? Is that what they say in the book?
That's one way to make a living, I guess.

Maybe that's harsh, but I'll bet the same editorial pages that they found so imtimidating would have been available to them at the time to express their misgivings.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:39 PM
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2. I can't understand why people are not still questioning the events on 9/11
it isn't exactly water under the bridge
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 06:59 AM
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3. Sept. 11 panel considered Pentagon probe
"was considered by Kean and Hamilton" = Failed Probe. It usually takes TOUGH questioning to get to the Truth. No excuses please.

The Great Experiment has failed. Most Washington insiders are bought and owe allegiance to something that is not in the interest of those they were elected to represent.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:00 AM
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4. "Stop lying to us" - American people to BushCo Republicons
And stop engaing in treasonous acts against the United States of America.

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 10:45 AM
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5. so how much money will these assholes make off their book
talking about how things got fucked up and how they got fucked up?

wahhh--we didn't do our job--buy our book and find out why
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:23 AM
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6. Book on 9/11 Probe Says Backed Off Grilling Giuliani Due to Editorials
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 11:03 AM by DeepModem Mom
Editor&Publisher/AP: New Book on 9/11 Probe Says Panel Backed Off Grilling Giuliani Due to Editorials
Published: August 04, 2006

....The questioning of Giuliani was considered by Kean and Hamilton "a low point" in the commission's examination of witnesses during public hearings. "We did not ask tough questions, nor did we get all of the information we needed to put on the public record," they wrote.

Commission members backed off, Kean and Hamilton said, after drawing criticism in newspaper editorials for sharp questioning of New York fire and police officials at earlier hearings. The editorials said the commission was insensitive to the officials' bravery on the day of the attacks.

"It proved difficult, if not impossible, to raise hard questions about 9/11 in New York without it being perceived as criticism of the individual police and firefighters or of Mayor Giuliani," Kean and Hamilton said....

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002950972

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:23 AM
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7. Boy, Kean and Hamilton sure have a bucket full of excuses
all of a sudden.

Oh no, we couldn't do this. We couldn't do that. Our hands were tied....

Yet they published their 9-11 Whitewash Commission Report knowing that it was nothing but a pack of lies.

At what point did they go from being investigators to being accessories to the crime?

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:23 AM
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8. Poor babies!
They had critical editorials written about them? AWWWW. They were accused of being insensitive? AWWWW. They're sniveling little shits who think this is an acceptable excuse for dereliction of duty? FUCK THEM!
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:23 AM
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9. As should be expected from a commission appointed by the junta. NT
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cspanlovr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:23 AM
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10. I hope no one buys their book. Everyone else was cashing in on
9/11, so they threw the investigation in order to write a tell all book and make some bucks. Didn't Woodward do the same thing? Everyone stays mum while its happening!
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:23 AM
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11. So this independent commission wasn't so independent nor was it
very aggressive. It allowed itself to be intimidated by the powers that be and bullied by the press for asking tough questions. How fricking sad that this nation won't allow its "heros" to be questioned so as to learn from its mistakes, because doing so would be "unpatriotic". The 9/11 Commission was a farce because it allowed itself to be lied too and knowingly published a report that it knew to be incomplete if not false. We know the Pentagon and FAA lied to the Commission, so who else lied? Everyone? What else is a lie? Everything? Bush didn't want the commission in the first place but he got a close second: a blueribbon whitewash. Can we believe ANYTHING this government tells us? i think we all know the answer to that question.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:36 PM
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12. sham, whitewash what ever you want to call it
a totally independent commission should have been arranged (and still could!)
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:16 PM
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13. too many people knew the commission was full of shit
david ray griffin's book was published last year--the asswipe commission apparently felt the need to try to respond.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566565847/102-0475055-3508961?v=glance&n=283155

"While Griffin explicitly suspects that the Bush administration and the Pentagon have covered up the true 9/11 story, he never claims to know it himself but asks for a new and truly independent investigation. It is this latter feature which greatly contributes to the credibility and importance of this courageous book. I use this book with my history students to illustrate how history can be distorted through omissions and distortions. I warmly recommend this book to all those who are interested in both 9/11 and the subsequent cover up.

Dr. Daniele Ganser, Center for Security Studies, Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Zurich, Switzerland"

--a review of: The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions

(i wonder how much of griffin's book lee/hamilton will address? i'm in the process of reading it--i think it's wonderful if you want to read about what was left undone/unexplored/silenced/covered up)
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