Lieberman team "thrilled" by latest primary polls

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Lieberman team "thrilled" by latest primary polls

HARTFORD, Conn. Senator Joe Lieberman's campaign team is "thrilled" by the latest poll, a day before Connecticut Democrats go to the polls to pick a Senate candidate tomorrow.

Political newcomer Ned Lamont has put up a strong challenge. Today's Quinnipiac (kwih-NIP'-ee-ak) College poll shows the wealthy businessman with six-point lead. But that's down from 13 last week.

A spokeswoman for Lieberman says Connecticut Democrats are taking a "serious look" at the two candidates and believe "Joe's the one who has been fighting for them."

Liberal Democrats in the state have been upset with Lieberman's support of the war in Iraq. Lamont has capitalized on that sentiment, accusing Lieberman of being too close to Republicans and President Bush.

[MrCoffee]

1. Whoo-hooo! We're only down by 6!!

Any port in a storm, huh Joe?

[JerseygirlCT]

29. Better than that

three-way tie for third place, right?

[David Dunham]

2. It looks like Joe may pull it out after all.

The last minute deciders are breaking for him.

[mumon]

26. "Pull it out?" I don't want to see it...

Remember, he's the one that got all bent out of shape because Clinton was accused of saying "Kiss it."

[Howardx]

32. and the corporate shills

n/t

[Bitter Cup]

49. If he pulls it out it will be because of something being Broken

not because voters are breaking for him.

[K8-EEE]

3. Ed Schultz Was Using May Poll #s As A Reason To Vote For Joe

But when the polls dramatically turned around then polls weren't so important anymore. What a shill that guy is!

[flyarm]

12. he's a repub;//what part of that do dems not get?? n/t

[Iniquitous Bunny]

4. Nice spin, Joe.

Not! :eyes:

Most incumbants wouldn't be thrilled by a 13 point lead, 10 point lead, or a 6 point lead by a challenger.


You're still losing, Joementum. Buh-bye, now.

[Cronus Protagonist]

8. This looks like a set up for Diebolding

I hope the elections there are not plugged into the matrix. Sending out news about his doing a "sea biscuit" is either propaganda to try to win or a set up for a "close finish" via Diebold.

Color me cynical.

:evilgrin:

[BonnieJW]

13. I was thinking the same thing.

Just get a poll to come down to single digits, and then swoop in with a Diebold and you're in. People need to show up at the polls tomorrow with cameras.

[flyarm]

14. conn does not have dre machines ..they have old lever machines

but they are hackable as well..Conn people have to be vigilant!!

check the number of vote counts when you go into the booth..and check it after your vote!! make sure the number goes up one!!..and your vote is counted!!

also go watch the vote counts at the supervisor of elections..americans are allowed to publically view it!!

fly

on edit ..unless you are in ohio or fla!! silly me...

[Iniquitous Bunny]

18. Correct.

We have little history of this, but we must remain watchful in the future. I think when Lamont wins, those who are responsible for the voter fraud elsewhere will have their eye on other key upcoming elections.

[unda cova brutha]

22. yes, debolding will happen for sure

[LoZoccolo]

25. Amazing what technology or something has done to attention spans. n/t

[Texifornia]

5. Tomorrow night...

They'll be singin' "The Thrill is Gone"

[KansDem]

6. Did Joe's staff receive a call from Walden O'Dell?

Assuring his machines will do the right thing?

[flyarm]

15. again CONN DOES NOT HAVE DRE MACHINES..THEY HAVE OLD LEVER

MACHINES..they refused the dre machines!!

fly

[KansDem]

40. Hey! My respect for Connecticut has risen significantly!

they refused the dre machines!!

Wish the rest of the nation would follow your lead!

[HockeyMom]

50. New York Refused too

We will, too, be voting on the Lever Machines. The Feds are even SUING New York with non compliance.

[aquart]

59. I love my levers.

[Fridays Child]

7. I wonder what kind of voting machines Connecticut uses.

[Kagemusha]

9. Correct me if I'm wrong but over and over people've said, levers

Not Diebold electronic machines.

And no matter how much I've seen it said no one believes or remembers it.

[flyarm]

16. ding ding ding..you are correct..lever machines!! n/t

[tiptoe]

27. There may be at least one CT jurisdiction using DREs, according to CC...

State scraps new voting machines -- by Mark Davis, 01/04/06 (emphasis mine)

The familiar clunking sound of the mechanical, lever style voting machines will be heard once again this fall in all voting places because of the foul-up.

"I am stopping the purchasing process for electronic voting equipment in Connecticut," Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz. "The state will use lever voting machines in the 2006 election."
...

Additionally, ANOTHER STATE REVERSAL! Connecticut Ditching Electronic Voting Machine Plans for 2006! -- 01/05/06 (AP, according to BradBlog)

She said the finalist in the bid process, Simsbury-based Danaher Controls, misled the state and had not yet sought proper certification to meet state and federal requirements. Bysiewicz's office made the discovery during final negotiations with the company.

Other voting machine companies, she said, also failed to meet the state's needs. Eight firms responded to the state's request for proposals.

"Unfortunately we were unable to find qualified vendors," she said, adding that no company could provide a certified electronic machine that displays a voter's entire ballot and provides a paper receipt that he or she can verify.

But according to a Common Cause report Malfunction and Malfeasance: A Report on the Electronic Voting Machine Debacle [June 2006], at time of publication at least one jurisidiction in CT uses DREs:
CHART A -- Status of State Voting Systems
Sources: Verified Voting Foundation, Election.org
fn #1: "Although we’ve made every effort to be accurate at the time of publication, there may be subsequent changes not recorded here."
fn #2: "This means that at least one jurisdiction in the state employs DREs. There may be others that do not use DREs."

CHART B - State-By-State Voter Risk Assessment
Connecticut = "LOW"
"PLEASE NOTE: Risk is assessed according to availability of VVPB and mandatory random audits."
Apparently where DREs are used in CT, VVPB and Automatic Audits of Paper Records are required:

• DRE Voting Systems Used in State? -- YES (see fn #2 above)
  
• Require Voter-Verified Paper Ballot (VVPB)? -- YES
  
• Bought DRE systems with VVPB (even though no state law)?
  
• Require Automatic Audits of Paper Records? -- YES
  
• Have Not Yet Purchased System with HAVA Funds? -- YES
  
• Allow No-Fault Absentee Voting?

[LoZoccolo]

28. Yes, the corporate lackeys at Quinnipiac University are setting this up.

You did know that Quinnipiac was a university, right?

[pa28]

58. Thanks for confirming.

I was afraid we might have the first Diebold Democrat.

[ps1074]

10. Can you feel the Joementum?

:eyes:

[flyarm]

11. and this is how the stealing of the election begins!!

seen this too many times in Fla now to not know how the steal happens!!

fly

[LoZoccolo]

30. Explain to me how Quinnipiac University gets involved in a conspiracy...

...to steal an election?

[Placebo]

37. Exactly.

At this point, even if Lamont loses the primary fair and square tomorrow it's going to be called a conspiracy or god knows what. I'm waiting for "DLC" to be tossed around, personally.

[LoZoccolo]

47. Netroots means never having to listen to things you disagree with! n/t

[yellowcanine]

43. One poll does not constitute the beginning of anything. Chill out.

[cliss]

17. You were expecting this, weren't you?

No matter how far down in the polls old Joe the Ho is, he will be celebrating all day today & tomorrow.

He'll pull out the champagne, yell loudly "Hallelujah" (oh wait a minute he won't say that) and celebrate his victory.

However, I don't believe he can cheat in this election. Can he?

[MaryRN]

19. CT DOES NOT HAVE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES.

I KNOW. I LIVE HERE.

According to our Registrar of Voters I just got off the phone with, they had to turn away people...she said all of the last minute "stuff" has really made a difference and I did NOT take that as boding well for Lamont.

[tiptoe]

41. "...no elections officials should ever be trusted." -- Brad Friedman

One report shows CT does use DREs...in "at least one jurisdiction"
CHART A -- Status of State Voting Systems, p.18, Malfunction and Malfeasance: A Report on the Electronic Voting Machine Debacle by Common Cause, June 2006
(see above for footnote #1 qualification)

Catherine Crier: "Can we trust the people runing our elections?"
Regarding certain Registrars of Voters in California:
1. San Diego County, CA RoV, Mikel Haas - ELECTION CONTEST FILED DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY, DECERTIFICATION AND PAPER BALLOT COUNT OF BUSBY/BILBRAY ELECTION IN CA-50

California state law requires that all votes cast in an election be properly counted and tabulated. In the CA-50 election, however, it cannot be determined whether or not all votes were counted because legally mandated procedures were violated both in the run-up to the election and during the official voter request for a hand ballot count. County Registrar Mikel Haas sent the Diebold voting machines on "sleepovers" in the unsecured homes and cars of volunteer poll workers for weeks prior to the election in violation of federal and state law. When voter Barbara Gail Jacobsen filed for a recount, Haas set an exorbitant price of $150,000 but refused to provide the documents necessary for that count.

"Given the fact that all the voting machines were circulating in the county for at least a week prior to the election, and manipulation of a single machine can rig an election, there is no basis for voters to have confidence in the election results," attorney Lehto said. Indeed, because the Diebold machines used in the election were conditionally certified by the Secretary of State under stringent security and chain of custody conditions to protect against manipulation, the lawsuit asserts that non-compliance with those conditions necessarily requires decertification of the election results.

2. Tony Anchundo, Monterey County, CA RoV -- "A picture perfect lesson in why no elections officials should ever be trusted." -- Brad Friedman

13-Year California Election Official Facing 43 Criminal Charges!

http://www.ameratsu.com/media/2006/0607/w2/crt_ccl_bilbray_busby_rigging_060711a_320x240.flv&width=320&height=240&OrigWidth=320&OrigHeight=240"">COURT TV's Catherine Crier on Electoral Crisis: Scathing Video Editorial Covers Busby/Bilbray 'Sleepovers', Clint Curtis, Tony Anchundo, DeForest Soaries, Brad Friedman and BRAD BLOG!   -- BLOGGED BY Brad on 7/11/2006

[LoZoccolo]

20. This is the "Dean crumble" I was referring to a while ago.

The poll before this one did not demonstrate that Lamont would not leave a hole big enough for Schlesinger to walk through in a two-way race, so people are getting skittish and taking the safe option. I don't really prefer Lieberman, but he would be most likely to retain the seat.

[David Dunham]

21. I agree. If Ned wins the primary, a Repub can win the Senate seat

[JerseygirlCT]

31. You really think so?

Most Republicans don't seem to be excited about Alan Schlesinger, not to mention anyone else.

No, I think if Lieberman stays in, he might very well win as an I, but I don't think Schlesinger stands any chance whatsoever.

What makes you think differently?

[LoZoccolo]

34. My gut feel says Lamont could win, however the last Quinnipiac poll...

...that had numbers for general races I saw had a big enough hole for Schlesinger to walk through in undecided voters.

I'm not really worried, but I can't say I'm for sure, and that's really the only point I'm trying to make.

[rayofreason]

33. I disagree.

Lieberman would win in a 3-way race.

[TankLV]

55. That's NOT what the latest polls show.

It'll be only SLIGHTLY closer, with Lamont winning.

[SensibleAmerican]

57. No poll shows Lamont winning the general

Rasmussen has it tied at best.

[aquart]

60. Thank you for your concern.

But the republicans are clearly supporting Lieberman.

[aquart]

61. Thank you for your concern.

It would, indeed, be Joe's intention to throw the election to the Republicans by running as a 3rd party and splitting the Democratic vote.

[Placebo]

38. Odds are always in favour of the incumbent.

If Lamont manages to win tomorrow the netroots will have reason to celebrate, but if he doesn't, they have to realize that the odds were stacked against them big time from the get go and Lieberman didn't cheat or scam his way to victory.

[aquart]

62. The "Dean crumble." Do you make it with blueberries?

Or Karl Rove's talking points?

[LoZoccolo]

63. Is this a serious question?

I've gone over the Dean crumble recently; if you really want an answer to your question you can search for it in my posts from, say, the last month or so, and then if you have more questions you can come back.

[Clarkie1]

23. I think the independents will break for Lieberman in the general

irregardless of the results of the primary. Independents make up 45% of the electorate, so wouldn't they be inclined to vote for an "independent?"

[DCCyclone]

36. Clarkie1, that's a naive view of elections......

"Independents" are not a voting bloc. They don't vote together, they don't think alike or share the same views with each other, and they don't look for non-affiliated candidates for whom to vote. Most independents are, in fact, liberal leaning or conservative leaning and vote for one party or the other with some consistency; only a plurality are true swing voters who don't consistently vote for the same party.

So with all that in mind, you can count on a majority of the 45% of independents casting their votes for either Lamont or Schlesinger in the general, with Joe winning maybe a plurality IF THAT. Indeed, don't be surprised if Lamont wins the independent vote.

[leesa]

24. Looks like the GOPs going to rig it for him. Too bad.

[EndElectoral]

35. Do that many people change their mind that quickly? Don't buy it.

[xchrom]

39. as much as i want lamont to win --

i'll be very surprised if it happens.

the beltway pulled out all the guns for this --

[AX10]

42. I support Ned Lamont.

Lieberman implied those who oppose Bush on the matter of foreign policy as being guilty of treason. I don't think I'll be voting for Lieberman if he somehow manages to pull this out. He'll have enough votes from Repubs to save his sorry ass. I'll abstain.

[zara]

44. Joementum! I can feel my pulse race!~

[darkstar7646]

45. He's thrilled because the R's will probably hold that seat...

[tabasco]

46. Joe was almost as thrilled as when he was makin' out with Bush.

Almost.

[w4rma]

48. REMEMBER, THE PRIMARY IS TOMORROW, TUESDAY the 8TH.

Let's take this lying, flip-flopping, endorsed by DeLay, Cokie and Coutler, warmongering, neo-liberal (neo-con?), out with the TRASH!

The GET OUT THE VOTE campaign really starts **tomorrow**, bright and early!! Drive folks to the polls and volunteer!

Goooo Connecticut Dems!!!

[anotherdrew]

51. maybe the Lamont voters are just sick of answering polls? n/t

[hollowdweller]

52. The Big Dog Effect

I wish Clinton would have pimped for Kerry that much. We might not be in this fucking mess if he had.

[bigworld]

53. Lieberman's website down for maintenance!

for the past several hours... on election eve... what kind of campaign are they running here?

check it out: http://www.joe2006.com

[Larkspur]

54. Just to show you how desperate Lieberman is...

I received, in the last week, 3 large postcards from Lieberman and all 3 postcards were the same. What a waste of money! I think Lieberman has been burning through his $10 million lobbyist donations to try to lower the margin of defeat so he doesn't get too humiliated.

As far as this latest Q-poll, it was a smaller sample size than the last one and was taken over this last weekend when every CT paper endorsed Lieberman, thus giving Holy Joe more free advertising. Also, Lieberman has been running new ads, one of which is got to be at least 45 - 60 seconds long and shows him giving a boring speech to onlookers.

[SensibleAmerican]

56. Show me the general election polls

n/t

[zann725]

64. Joe's the one who "kissed" Chimpy at SOTU; the machine will favor him...

...you can bet.

[saigon68]

65. More like Raptured by the BIG CHIMP