Israel recalls Caracas envoy after Chavez compared state to Hitler

[Scurrilous]

<snip>

"Israel has recalled its ambassador to Caracas following comments made by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez comparing Israel to Hitler, the Foreign Ministry said Monday.

"We have recalled our ambassador to Caracas for consultations," said ministry spokesman Mark Regev.

"We are concerned at the attitude of Venezuela... They have allied themselves with the most extreme elements in the region."

In an interview with Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television last week, Chavez criticised Israel for its attacks on Lebanon and the Palestinians, comparing its operations to those of Hitler.

The day before the interview, Chavez ordered the withdrawal of Venezuela's ambassador to Israel in protest."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/747435.html

[PaDem]

1. Keith Moon..........

nice.

[HongKonger]

2. Good

Why are they there anyway?

Sniff... Sniff...

I smell oil.

Chavez Rules. He's got the power and he's was democratically elected to piss off the USA.

I guess he's tired of Venezuela being raped by multinational oil companies.

Surprised?

"But... But... dang.... he's the emeny (sic), " says your leader.

[IndianaGreen]

3. Here is what Chavez really said, and it is all true and not anti-Semitic

Here is what Chavez really said, and it is all true and not anti-Semitic. Israel has thrown her lot with the neocons!

Venezuela pulls out Israel ambassador

Friday 04 August 2006, 21:01 Makka Time, 18:01 GMT

In a televised speech on Thursday, he called the Israeli attacks "genocide".

He said: "It really causes indignation to see how the state of Israel continues bombing, killing ... with all of the power they have, with the support of the United States."

Chavez has repeatedly criticised the Israeli offensive.

He said: "It's hard to explain to oneself how nobody does anything to stop this horror."

His government has until recently said it had good relations with Israel.

During a recent visit to Iran, Chavez called Israeli attacks on Lebanon a "fascist outrage".

He said: "The Israeli elite repeatedly criticise Hitler's actions against the Jews, and indeed Hitler's actions must be criticised, not just against the Jews but against the world. It's also fascism what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people ... terrorism and fascism."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/758B61AA-7D24-470F-83D2-78633DA88019.htm

[Robbien]

4. How can one not like the guy?

Israel/Palestine/Lebanon

What do I do really know about it being over here in controlled media land, except bombing is wrong. Dropping bombs is so very wrong.

And there is Chavez saying out loud the thoughts I am thinking.

I like the guy.

[stepnw1f]

5. Same Here

I have lot's of respect for the man.

[muryan]

22. I find myself in agreement with chavez

roughly about 20% of the time. The rest of the time i find him extremely dangerous.

[LynnTheDem]

90. That so?

Pretty strange.

[Truthiness Inspector]

63. Really?

Do you like "the guy" hugging the guy (Ahmadinejad) who wants to wipe Israel off the map?

What a great guy.

[breakaleg]

6. He's one of the few who is telling the truth.

[Rex]

13. Well it is Reuters, so who knows how accurate the story is.

Zero trust in them.

[muryan]

23. as opposed to

al-jazeera? Ill take reuters word anyday, even if the photos are doctored.

[hogwyld]

32. Just because the truth hurts

you are going to ignore a news source that is watched my millions of people?

[EFerrari]

66. What rational basis do you have to distrust al Jazeera

except that Junior bombed two of their offices on purpose?

:)

[NoSheep]

19. I agree completely. I do, and so does my Jewish partner.

[Mr_Spock]

21. Wow. I was just about to agree with Israel's RE-action to what Chavez did

Thanks so much for posting.

Apparently Israels RE-action to Chavez's initial move is littered with biased propaganda.

I'll refrain from commenting on this as I now think this is a childish spat between small countries with big egos.

[killbotfactory]

33. Doesn't matter what he really said

Our media will "correct" the record accordingly.

[Snivi Yllom]

82. Chavez compared Israel's government to the Nazi government

"Israel has gone mad. It's attacking, doing the same thing to the Palestinian and Lebanese people that they have criticised - and with reason - the Holocaust. But this is a new Holocaust."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5258722.stm

[imouttahere]

7. He's not perfect, for from it, but he's all we've got....

when it comes to leaders telling the truth. Bravo, Hugo Chavez!

[index555]

67. bravo hugo

:puke:

[pretzel4gore]

8. sorta screws up the 'clash of cultures' idea, doesn't it?

supposedly, it's mad mullah islamicism versus christianity and all the other 'sensible' religions, but there's an obvious flaw in the ointment: to wit if islam has been hijacked by extremists, it was a hijacking funded by the same goofs who have hijacked the west (usa/britain/israel) and they are the real enemy (we can hunt down the killer outlaw gangsters of all stripes later on) when legal authority is restored.
i think most of the world sympathises with the victims...

[BayCityProgressive]

9. I am relatively

pro-Israel and I don't think the comments are automatically anti-semitic just because they target Israel. He strongly criticizes many governments and labels them fascist. I think he is very wrong however I don't think he is anti-semitic. His meetings with Iran to "destroy American Imperialism" leave a lot to be desired. I like some of the thigns he has done domestically, I just don't agree with a lot of his foreign policy. I am sure I will be flamed regardless though.

[leesa]

14. You think American Imperialism is a good thing? Please don't try to

pretend the US is not imperialistic. Iran was minding their own business until Bush began problems to try to prod them into a war in 2002. They have done nothing to us.

[muryan]

24. minding their own business building nukes

and calling for the distruction of another country.

[hogwyld]

31. So what???

Who are we to dictate to another country what they can and cannot do? Israel can handle it's own affairs. We need to let the world sort out it's own issues, and we need to deal with our own problems instead of trying to police the world.

[humbled_opinion]

46. Isolationism?

Was not the answer in the 1930's although that is what America did. We must remain allied to Israel and at the same time call for restraint. There is an answer to this it just hasn't been presented properly yet.

[Judi Lynn]

47. They should do it without massive infusions of American tax dollars

year after year after year, as well as massive "loans," and weaponry.

That would be so much more egalitarian.

[imouttahere]

85. Just to OVERSIMPLIFY the situation....

if the US can have nukes, and Israel can have nukes, why can't Iran?

[INDIA]

29. You. Must. Be. Joking.

"they have done nothing to us."

How about taking over the American embassy and holding hostages for 444 days? How about funding and training terrorist organizations in the region, which most likely bombed the Marine barracks in Beirut? How about using their influence and propaganda to convince MEasterners that we are the "Great Satan"??? The weekly "Death to America" parades following afternoon prayers? I'm not saying Iran is as dangerous as BushCo makes them out to be, but they were certainly not "minding their own business." We've been in a low level cold war with them since the Carter administration.

[hogwyld]

30. If we were'nt over there

We would have no problems with them. The embassy was because of our long time support for the corrupt shah, and the barracks were due to our being in a middle east country. If we minded our own business and got everyone out of the entire middle east, they would leave us alone. I don't see them bothering the chinese, french, swiss, etc. because they keep their grubby paws out of the area.

[INDIA]

35. HA!

Yeah, let's become an isolationist country, just like N. Korea! No more international business! The fact that the US supported a deposed dictator somehow gave Iran the right to overrun a sovereign nation's embassy? Gee, I guess we should have kidnapped all the Japanese and German embassy workers after Pearl Harbor, but modern civilized countries don't allow that sort of thing. The Shah was definitely an asshole, but the Ayatollah was about 100 times worse. There wasn't a mass exodus out of the country while the Shah was in power, likewise for Batista. At least the Shah ran a secular government.

"and the barracks were due to our being in a middle east country."

Read up on the bombing. The Marines were part of a multi-nation peace-keeping force trying to keep the country from going to hell. They were forbidden to keep their weapons loaded, and spent most of the campaign receiving potshots from the locals without fighting back because of the extremely restrictive rules of engagement. To imply that they somehow deserved to be bombed simply because of their presence there is not only ignorant, it is disgusting. Should we have interfered in Rwanda? Of course we should have. Were we justified interfering in Bosnia and Somalia? You bet. I support any US military deployment with the intention of keeping the peace, like Haiti for example.

"I don't see them bothering the chinese, french, swiss, etc. because they keep their grubby paws out of the area."

Saying that the French and Chinese don't interfere in other countries affairs is 100% dead ass wrong. France had violent wars with their colonies Algeria and Vietnam before they were kicked out. China intervened and helped N. Korea fight the UN during the Korean war. Switzerland has it's "grubby" fingerprints all over Nazi gold from WWII, they sure as hell aren't without blame either.

[hogwyld]

36. Peace! Now!

"Gee, I guess we should have kidnapped all the Japanese and German embassy workers after Pearl Harbor," Yes we did. They were called Internment Camps.

"To imply that they somehow deserved to be bombed simply because of their presence there is not only ignorant, it is disgusting. Should we have interfered in Rwanda? Of course we should have. Were we justified interfering in Bosnia and Somalia? You bet. I support any US military deployment with the intention of keeping the peace, like Haiti for example."

We have no business being the world's cop. What part of "They don't want us over there" do you not understand? Bosnia was Europe's back yard, let them deal with it. Somalia was a UN operation. We just had to send in the Rangers to "play policeman" to "keep the peace" and look what happened.

"Yeah, let's become an isolationist country, just like N. Korea! No more international business!"

We can be isolationist and still have business dealings! We just need to keep our military at home, and not spread out among the "empire"

"Saying that the French and Chinese don't interfere in other countries affairs is 100% dead ass wrong. France had violent wars with their colonies Algeria and Vietnam before they were kicked out. China intervened and helped N. Korea fight the UN during the Korean war. Switzerland has it's "grubby" fingerprints all over Nazi gold from WWII, they sure as hell aren't without blame either."

But for the most part, they leave their militaries at home. Sure they had issues with their colonies 50 years ago, but they gave up the desire for empire. We have yet to get our ass sufficiently kicked to learn that lesson.

Peace

[Praetorian7]

74. French foreign legion

... does *nothing* but interfere and meddle in other countries affairs. They're know throughout Africa for their brutality. French have wiped out entire villages in their African colonies and do it to this day when it threatens their oil interests (see Nigeria). It's just you don't see that type of stuff in the news. All countries in the world protect their interests - I believe we should do so as well, however, with a lot more of a diplomatic approach than what is currently being done.

[newyorican]

37. Do you have any idea...

what led up to that?

The Shah was "our murdering bastard".

Prior to the Shah being installed by the CIA, Iran had a democratically elected president. Not a perfect democracy, but those don't really exist except in peoples minds. Guess what happened to that President and who did it? (hint: 3-letter agency and high-velocity lead poisoning)

What we experienced in Iran in the 70s was blow-back, pure and simple. Still going on it appears.

[imouttahere]

86. Bravo, newyorican....

we're like a nation of whining bullies, we can dish it out but can't take it!

[Tarc]

56. tough cookies

We deposed their PM because he wouldn't give the West favorable oil contracts and propped up a repressive and brutal Shah for years over there. Iran had every right to be pissed off at the US.

[index555]

64. and what if?

asswipe Chalabi (or whatever Iran's president is named) has promised something spectacular for Aug 22
one of things he has promised is giving nukes to terrorists.(acttually he said something closer to reserving the right to supply them with nukes and there was nothing we could do to stop them.)
what should our response be if they set off a dirty bomb or nuke on U.S. soil?
just wondering.

[pretzel4gore]

34. and don't forget, the usa sold iran 24(?) nuke plants

they didn't need, or really want, back in the shah's era. also, after the 'revolution' the iranians found miles of miltary equipment including complete jets and vast quantities of parts, still in their shipping boxes, just parked in the sand! hundreds of millions/billions of dollars worth of junk (that's what it was by then)...no wonder they went after the shah, no wonder they hate the usa...

[Mudoria]

10. The Israeli's made..

the right move :thumbsup:

[IndianaGreen]

15. Yep, they showed themselves as the neocon assholes that they are

There are quite a few Israelis that see their government's bombing of Lebanon as very wrong, and counterproductive. Our comrades in Israel have already demonstrated for a ceasefire and for a negotiated settlement that would include a prisoner swap and a return to Lebanon of Shebaa Farms. They get as much press coverage in America as our notable antiwar Democrats do.

[erik-the-red]

11. Misunderstanding

So Mr. Chavez did not liken Israel to Hitler; he simply branded the actions of Israel as fascist.

Not the same thing.

[Laotra]

27. Finnish FM Tuomioja

Who is currently leading EU re Lebanon situation, also few years ago branded some Israel actions as fascist (don't remember exact quote, didn't say fascist or nazi in expressis verbis, but the meaning was clear).

[Anakin Skywalker]

12. Ah Hah Hah Hah!

Hugo not afraid to piss off people. LOL!

[confludemocrat]

16. what other than their Blitzkrieg tactics and need for Lebensraum does he

mean? Maybe collective punishment, and the creation of ghettos, I don't know.

[cali]

18. And yet he hasn't withdrawn his ambassador to the U.S.

despite out far more pronounced blitzkrieg tactics, the collective punishment we've conducted, not to mention turning most of Iraq into the most dangerous place on earth.

[newyorican]

61. I think you have it backwards...

Venezuala didn't recall it's ambassador from Israel, the opposite is what happened. The A, B comparison doesn't make much sense.

[bvar22]

20. Gaza...

...definately qualifies as a "Ghetto", shades of Warsaw.

[LostinVA]

76. Gosh, I know... how is any of THAT fascist???

[Just Me]

17. They are behaving as the monsters they escaped: "collective,...

,...punishment", total destruction, no negotiation, no distinction between the guilty and the innocent.

The government of Israel are behaving like lawless barbarians,...and offer excuses for their behavior while destroying an entire nation and moving towards invasion.

IT'S FUCKING SICK!!!!

They are CREATING increased hatred and they obviously don't give a damn because they have the PNACers at their side, those who seek to CONTROL the whole of the M.E.

Too bad they haven't the capacity to walk in anyone's shoes other than their own. Too bad they haven't a damn clue how their behavior actually invites all that they fear.

Oh, well. It's not my responsibility,...what these "crazies" do. I imagine in my lifetime, they will be tried, though, for their crimes. Just like the Nazis, these destructive "elitists" will be tried and WE WILL ALL HUNT THEM DOWN FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Unlike Hitler, they do not discriminate against their murders and oppression,...except, Muslims are taking the greatest hit.

[Matilda]

25. "Muslims are taking the greatest hit"...

but how long before there is a retaliatory strike in some western city? Not from Hezbollah, who
are otherwise occupied, but from any other Islamic jihadist group you care to think of.

It will happen. Thank you Israel, thank you U.S.

[struggle4progress]

26. Israel's response is understandable.

The Nazi extermination program was rather peculiar among modern genocides: apparently without a second thought, people ratted out long-time Jewish neighbors, with whom they had previously conversed pleasantly for years, sending them off to die in an unprecented industrial murder machine.

Without admiring Israel's foreign policy, one can be completely disgusted by the idiotic mentality that compares the Israelis to the Nazis, which is essentially the same crude mindset that paints swastikas on Israeli flags. And without believing that Chavez is a demon from hell, one can wonder how else the Israelis could have read the Hitler comparison, given that Chavez has just accepted a medal from Iran's Ahmadinejad, who is (after all) an infamous holocaust denier.

It's natural to suspect that the Israelis were looking for an excuse to reciprocate, after Chavez withdrew his ambassador -- and Chavez has apparently given them a good reason by cramming his boot into his mouth ...

[LostinVA]

77. The Israeli government's response IS fascist

That's not a "crude mindset" or an opinion. They have committed war crimes, they have engaged in fascist actions, both in Lebanon and against the Palestinians.

[TheModernTerrorist]

28. if the shoe fits...

:shrug:

[Scurrilous]

38. Haaretz News Flash:

03:42 (8:42 EDT) Chavez: Venezuela will likely break ties with Israel over Lebanon campaign (Reuters).

[fujiyama]

39. I think the timing of his comments are interesting

First he has a little rendevous with nutcase Ahmedenidajad and the next minute he compares the Iraelis to Nazis.

Chavez did this likely as some sort of deal with Iran's pres. I wouldn't be surprised if he pressured Chavez to break ties with them over this.

People are looking at this purely as Chavez "standing up" for the Lebanese. I'm really kind of tired of people picking a few people for "worship" and neglecting to look at the simple fact that all leaders ultimately look out for their own interests. Chavez likely has a military deal going through with Iran. This exchange makes perfect sense.

I agree with Chavez part of the time (in his criticism of the administration) and I don't think it was necessary for the US to demonize him the way it has, but he's not perfect and seems to have authoritarian tendancies of his own. His allying himself with Ahmedinedihad doesn't really impress me terribly much.

[Spinoza]

40. Chavez accepts a medal

in Iran from a Holocaust Denier, who practically smacks his lips while talking about wiping Israel off the map, and people question whether Chavez is anti-Semitic?

[Matilda]

41. How many times does it have to be said:

Being against Israel's current actions is not being anit-semitic.

That's just cheap rhetoric, and as meaningless as anything Ahmadinejad says about Israel.

[Spinoza]

43. What does 'Holocaust Denier'

have to do with Israel? That asshole accepted a medal from a fucking Holocaust Denier without objection, clarification, or protest.

[Matilda]

62. He can accept a medal from a Holocaust denier or a flat-earther.

or anything else - it has nothing to do with current issues, and everything to do with trade and
foreign relations.

And as you mentioned "Israel" and "anti-Semitic" in the same sentence, and I'm simply saying that
being against the current invasion of Lebanon does not make anyone anti-semitic.

I will also repeat that the anti-semitic rhetoric is hollow and childish.

[index555]

68. chavez

:puke:

[LostinVA]

78. Why?

[Judi Lynn]

42. Why on earth would he "smack his lips?"

Your prejudices are running away with you. That's a very crude remark.

[Spinoza]

44. Sorry.

I guess I suffer from the 'prejudice' that fucking Holocaust Deniers are--kind of-- crude people. Do you think they aren't?

[Judi Lynn]

45. Let's see that link concerning Hugo Chavez as a holocaust denier. n/t

[Spinoza]

48. Chavez accepted a medal

from a Holocaust Denier without a word of protest or clarification. Do you have no problem with that at all? He appears on friendly terms with a fucking Holocaust Denier? And thats okay?

[Judi Lynn]

49. Are you the one who was yammering about the medal in another

thread?

You are NOT going to be able to force your demands on everyone in this world. You'd damned well better get used to it.

He has business with other oil producing countries. It's his business.

Speaking of Holocaust deniers, why not waste some hot air raging about Preston Bush, the grandfather who was in bed with the Third Reich "people?" Now THERE'S an American right winger you could really sink your teeth into, and so much closer to home.

[barb162]

52. Do you mean Prescott Bush (v. Preston Bush)?

snip
There are unsubstantiated rumors concerning Prescott Bush's associations with the Nazi party. The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated." <1> The rumors began with extreme right-wing attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential run and were renewed during his 1988 run. snip
http://www.answers.com/topic/prescott-bush

Do you have a link that says the Bush was a Holocaust "denier"? I have ehard of his ties to Hitler for years but never anything on Holocaust denial. Whras the head of Iran has been spewing Holocaust denial every few weeks or months over the last year or so.

[Judi Lynn]

53. Right. Sometimes I can't remember right-wing assholes' names.

The subject is actually Hugo Chavez.

I am asking the poster for a link to informtion on Hugo Chavez as a holocaust denier.

[happydreams]

89. Mind yer spelling Judi.........

or if you don't feel like it let a protocol droid do it for you. :hi:

[Judi Lynn]

54. Here you go: BUSH-NAZI LINK CONFIRMED

BUSH-NAZI LINK CONFIRMED

Documents in National Archives Prove George W. Bush's
Grandfather Traded with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor

by John Buchanan (Exclusive to the New Hampshire Gazette)

WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial
by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in
The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that
Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush,
served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative
for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926
until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush
and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according
to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to
conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz
Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s,
personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion
of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush
and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger
brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George
Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather,
continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for
nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

No Story?
For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported
by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have
appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but
were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented
diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official"
Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S.
history books covering World War II and its aftermath.
(snip/...)

http://www.geocities.com/bushfamilynazis/

[barb162]

55. He had financial interests but where's the holocaust denial stuff

No one denies he had big-time financial interests in Germany and made MONEY big time by playing nice with the nazis. But I have never seen anything on this man re actual holocaust denial

[Judi Lynn]

58. Financing the halocaust may not be denying it, as it's WORSE.

It APPROVES the halocaust, doesn't it?

AS I said, the subject is HUGO CHAVEZ and the poster's proof HUGO CHAVEZ DENIES THE HALOCAUST.

You're not going to change the subject successfully.

[plasticsundance]

79. What are you talking about?

It's a matter of government records. In 1942 Prescott Bush's Union Bank had it property seized by the US government under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

Anyone interested, please read the following:

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

[Judi Lynn]

80. I plan to read every damned word. Thank you, plasticsundance! n/t

[plasticsundance]

81. You're welcome, Judi

I'm amazed at how little historical references some DUers have. In addition, Iran used to be enamored with the US and its ideology, but the British convinced the Eisenhower Administration along with the Dulles brothers that Iran faced the threat of going communist. The real reason behind Britain's moved was that Iran was chasing out its and Russia's imperialistic control of its resources. The US, under the directions of both the Dulles brothers serving in the Eisenhower Administration began to overthrow Iran's government in the 50's. Read that historical record, and you realize Iran has every right to be pissed off at us.

Oh yeah, for all those upset about Chavez's visit to Iran, let's not overlook the fact that Israel was selling military arms to Iran in the 80's. Just thought I'd mention it.

[Bridget Burke]

83. Prescott Bush didn't "deny" the Holocaust....

He profited from it. (From slave labor, at least.) Prescott was probably not a Nazi "sympathizer"--he was only in it for the money.

In October of 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act, the U.S. government halted operations at New York's Union Banking Corporation. A bank official was charged with "Running Nazi front groups in the United States."

His name: Prescott Bush.

Prescott Bush, father of future U.S President George Herbert Walker Bush and grandfather of George W. Bush, had been hard at work on behalf of his Nazi partners. In flagrant violation of U.S. law, Prescott Bush had worked tirelessly to launder money, procure raw materials, arrange transportation and provide guidance for the Nazi war effort and the German army he had helped to build.

www.truthout.org/docs_02/012303A.ma.dead.htm

[Spinoza]

57. No. Not me.

Understood. You have no problem with Chavez being chummy with a Holocaust Denier.

Fuck 'Preston' Bush. But nice try to change the subject.

[Judi Lynn]

51. Where's that link naming Hugo Chavez as a halocaust denier? n/t

[Spinoza]

59. Never said Chavez himself

is a Holocaust Denier. Do you deny he PRAISED a Holocaust Denier? (Please don't ask for links. They are all over the net and you know it.) Again, how can than not bother you? How can anyone praise a Holocaust Denier without being anti-Semitic?

Wheres your outrage?

P.S. It's spelled H O L O C A U S T

[Judi Lynn]

60. Thanks for the spelling tip. I know it's vitally important.

Some people don't wear their outrage publicly, and use it to try to bully others.

You're not about to condemn DU'ers here because they don't parade the level of "outrage" you want to see from them.

Where's your brain? Sense of perpective? Get a bit of control of yourself. No tantrums allowed.

Do you happen to have a link to information concerning Hugo Chavez's praising that guy for being a holocaust denier? That would really help shore up your hatefest against this Venezuelan who DARES to be a lib'rul, and attend to the interests of his country.

[barb162]

50. I think that was meant figuratively as the head of Iran seems to

so enjoy talking about holocaust denial and wiping Israel off the map; he does it often enough.

[Matilda]

65. Ahmadinejad talks about wiping Israel off the map,

and Israel is doing its best to wipe Lebanon off the map.

Do we all stop dealing with Israel now?

I just want to know where you draw the line.

[index555]

69. because he's an even more bloodthirsty ape than bush

ahmadinijed =:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :dunce: :freak:

[Matilda]

70. Chavez?

Bloodthirsty? Where do you get your information?

[index555]

72. not Chavez, Ahmadinejad

I dislike Chavez , but I do not think he's bloodthirsty.

[Judi Lynn]

71. First I've heard of it, also. Where's a good link to your information

on Hugo Chavez's bloodthirst?

You'd be doing everyone a favor by posting it in a hurry! Quick! Can't wait.

[index555]

73. see # 72

sorry bout the lack of clarity, my bad
and giving you the (what would have been a well deserved)opportunity to :spank: me:evilgrin:

[Matilda]

75. Okay - understood.

As for Ahmadinejad - he's mostly hot air at this stage. Yes, he's supplying weapons to
Hezbollah, but the US is arming Israel, and with far greater firepower and causing far more
devastation. But most of Ahmadinejad's firebrand talk is for local consumption, and has to be
taken in that context, and Hezbollah's weaponry is pretty pathetic compared to Israel's.

If we're going to talk about people being bloodthirsty AND carrying out their threats, I
find the US and Israel of far more concern at this point. If you want bloodthirsty, look no
further than Bush and Olmert.

[happydreams]

88. You probably didn't even know who he was until last week.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

84. I personally find most Third Reich analogies to be lazy

and lowering of the discourse.

[happydreams]

87. Good! Chavez is Right!.....

But then that's a given for a country in league with the Bush fascists.