Iraqui Police Behind Some Attacks? Can you say VietNam,

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

There, I thought you could...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/20031129/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

[leftchick]

1. From the Article.....

<BAGHDAD, Iraq - There is no evidence that al-Qaida terrorists have taken part in the long string of attacks on U.S. or Iraqi targets, but some U.S.-trained Iraqi police appear to have coordinated some of those assaults, the top U.S. military official in Iraq (news - web sites) said Saturday.

U.S. military officials are concerned that some attacks on Americans have been coordinated by a few of the numerous Iraqi civilians hired by the U.S. military, who may glean intelligence on troop movements and travels of high-ranking officers, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez told reporters at the Baghdad Convention Center.

"Clearly those are concerns we have. We try to do the vetting (of Iraqi employees) as close as we can," he said. "There have been instances when police were coordinating attacks against the coalition and against the people."

He said the insurgency was becoming particularly bloody for Iraqi civilians. Guerrillas launched more than 150 attacks on Iraqi civilian and police targets, killing scores during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which ended last week.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

2. Thank you. I was so pissed off and having flashbacks

i forgot to quote the aricle.

[leftchick]

3. You are right....

Vietnam redux.... :(

[0007]

4. 'Tis VietNam, all over again -

The natural resource in VietNam was tungsten not commies

The natural resource in Iraq and the Middle East is oil not terrorist

Gotta protect those big business interest, 'eh?

[benfranklin1776]

5. Was there not a specific official admission of that?

I recall reading a justifiably angry account written by a Vietnam veteran in which he blasted the fact that in the Pentagon Papers there was an analysis which said the war was fought 95% for the protection of US commerical interests and only five percent for the containment of communism.

[0007]

15. 'Tis true -

What do ya think it was about in Korea?? Ah, we needed that cheap natural resouce to keep our steel mills going and the automobile industry from going under. And want do ya think we wanted? you if said tungsten you win a trip with Henry Kissinger as your traveling mate.

China only got involved (which was red) to help the North and stop further U.S. aggression. Don't ya find it odd we had a North and South in Vietnam and also in Korea? Guess where else??

[FloridaPat]

9. There was a New York Times aritcle around 1970 that

showed maps where they believed there was more oil off the coast of Vietnam than in Alaska. Right after the "fall", BP, AMACO and another oil company tried to get the drilling contracts they had the the S. Vietnamese government reinstated with the new government. They were declined.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

11. There is oil there, which is the reason for our re-opening

of relations. Overlapping claims of China, VietNam and the Philipines have caused tensions there already. It is likely the hot spot of this century.

[0007]

18. ....another reason for sure.

[Cocoa]

6. "Iraqi freedom II"???

Sanchez also said the United States is boosting the number of infantrymen in Iraq and moving from a force based on tanks and heavy armored vehicles to one specializing in urban raids.

A new phase in the Iraq war, known as Iraqi Freedom II, would begin as current forces are rotated out of Iraq and replaced by new units, including several thousand U.S. Marines, Sanchez said.

"We are going to change the composition of our forces," Sanchez said. "We'll have more infantry. We're moving to a more mobile force, one that has the right blend of light and heavy."

I wonder, is this going to be a significant new phase, or is this just so news people can start the body count over again?

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

7. No, this would be an admission of failure in their first plan

of "shock and awe"

Again, we are fighting WWII while the enemy is fighting guerilla warfare.

The thought was that tanks in the streets would make everyone more docile. What heppened was, they figred out how to avoid the tanks, and blow up things that were not as hard to hit.

So, now, to protect the tanks (and possibly free them up for another invasion? Syria? Iran?) we will send Marines in to fix the problems, but using the same failed doctrine from VietNam.

Idiots.

[Cocoa]

8. you think a missile defense system would have helped?

Maybe it's Clinton's fault, for not getting that up and running.

[FloridaPat]

10. It probably would have helped a lot. Bankrupt the country

years ago, not money for soldiers, so we would have a draft now instead of 2005.

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. So now the real fun begins

Urban Warfare.

Instead of sending in police and peacekeepers we are sending in more troops to conduct their nighttime raids of terror. What a great idea. The Iraqi people are sure to just give up and accept the US has their imperial masters. No problem.

Seems that Bu$h & Co.'s solution to every problem is to just terrorize and kill more people.

[htuttle]

17. New and Improved, Iraqi Freedom II

You're soaking in it!

[bvar22]

13. This will only get worse!

bush* and the republicans are blood covered psychos.

[ConcernedCanuk]

14. Winning the Hearts and Minds

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An Iraqi girl covers her face as U.S. army soldiers search for insurgents in the center of Baghdad, Saturday, Nov 29 2003. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)



A young girl's impression of her "Liberators"

Makes one wonder what she's already seen - -

Sad, so sad

(sigh)

[Barrett808]

16. "very mobile, very flexible, lethal force"

"What we're in search of is a very mobile, very flexible, lethal force that can accomplish its mission. Those terms are dictated by the enemy."

Son My is coming again, my friends.

[yellowcanine]

19. Iraq now officially a clusterfuck

if it wasn't before. How long will Chimpy's little photo-op bounce last before the war ratings resume their downward trend? How many times can he visit Iraq between now and the election?

[monobrau]

20. Gosh, I'm shocked

If this country were occupied, would you run around with a black bandana over your face, or would you put a friendly face forward to the invaders and infiltrate them? I'm no scholar on warfare, but common sense would make it obvious to an insurgent that being a cop or other civil official would be an ideal positon to stirke from.
As with Vietnam, we have arrogantly underestimated the will and intelligence of the percieved enemy, and failed to look critically at our own motivations.