"U.S.: 'Do Your Attacks Now' Message Triggered Arrests

[orleans]

"Friday, August 11, 2006; Posted: 11:16 p.m. EDT (03:16 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Suspects in an alleged plot to blow up trans-Atlantic flights received a message within the last three days in which they were advised, "Do your attacks now," according to U.S. sources.

The message, which was intercepted and decoded, was part of the reason authorities in Britain decided that an attack was imminent, possibly just a few days to a week away, according to an unclassified security memo sent to law enforcement agencies Friday by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Police also noticed increased Internet communication, and two men under surveillance had dropped out of sight, the memo said.

A British official said Friday that the "go ahead" message originated with an operative in Pakistan."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/11/terror.details/index.html

[sgxnk]

1. you are obviously

obviously a rovian plant for daring to post such rw propaganda

messages intercepted and decoded? just a ploy by the govt. to take away people's right to plan murderous attacks on airplane passengers!


(SARCASM)

[orleans]

3. actually i'm the resale shop owner who is collecting all the great

stuff everyone has to dump out before they get on a plane. my staff has been going through airport trash all day--and they're exhausted!



( :sarcasm: )

[sgxnk]

4. lol

i'll buy that for a dollar

[zreosumgame]

28. note the use of warrants

they seem to have worked there, but not in America it seems.

[LiberalHeart]

2. Wait. How can they do the attacks now if it's a dry run?

[BattyDem]

6. I was wondering that, too.

:shrug:

[Robb]

22. Ding ding ding!!!!

Excellent question. :thumbsup:

[cornermouse]

5. Is that anything like that kid the British shot in the subway?

You remember? The desperate unarmed terrorist who turned out to be nothing worse than an immigrant from Brazil?

[w13rd0]

7. "Do your attacks now"??!?!

That was their "trigger phrase"? Wow, sound like bright shining stars. And they decoded that cryptic message? Remarkable. Oh, and by the way, if this tale is true, and I'm not really convinced all is as they say it is, it was foiled by old fashioned POLICE WORK and HUMAN INTELLIGENCE, NOT draconian spying and military action. Bush is STILL taking the wrong approach.

[sgxnk]

10. um...

it was foiled by an informant (old fashioned police work)

AND

" intercepted and decoded" - here's a little hint

interception of messages involves SPYING

so, you are wrong about it not involving spying. unless interception of that sort isn't "draconian"

(rolls eyes)

[w13rd0]

27. Yeah...

...roll you f'n eyes, my point remains. Was NOT accomplished thanks to Bush style military intervention and the use of legislation like the USA PATRIOT act...and from what I've read, would have been an intercept of a call between a party in Britain and a party in Pakistan, which if it had been, say, US to Pakistan, would have been subject to standard (pre-Bush) FISA, thus, again, Bush's methods wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever.

You just validated my point, then rolled your eyes. Whatever...

[sgxnk]

32. YER WRONG

the spying was done in ENGLAND

england leo's have FAR more power to search w/o warrants, and to eavesdrop/surveil than we do in the US.

so your claim is of course not supported by evidence

[SlavesandBulldozers]

35. and sgxnk is out of the gates with advocating less freedom!

he's taking the lead now!

[sgxnk]

38. and yer lying again

i am not advocating less freedom

i am saying that if you are talking COMPARATIVE LAW,

the UK citizens have FAR less civil rights than we do, even under the patriot act

i am not making a policy suggestion

i am telling you that your analysis is false

iow, the UK ***without*** the patriot act places far fewer restrictions on LEO search and seizure powers than US constitution does

i know this firsthand because i took several courses that were joint classes with british, US, and Canadian police

canada actually has a much more restrictive system search and seizure wise than the UK does, and much more closely resembles ours

so stop LYING and read what i wrote

i didnt'ADVOCATE anything.

stop lying

[Miss Chybil]

41. I thought they had no plane tickets, or passports? nt

[w13rd0]

42. The point...

...is that the spying was done WITHIN THE LAW, something your friend Bush seems incapable of doing. So YER RONG...AND U KANT SPELL!!!

[zreosumgame]

29. with a warrant it isn't

in fact it is actually LEGAL. I know I know legal is treason to numbnutz-cons

[sgxnk]

31. um

usa law doesn't apply

the spying was done in ENGLAND

[muryan]

40. Thats a petty fact that gets in the way for some people

they so desperately want to believe this was a rove/bush plan to make lamont look bad and lieberman look great...

[Dancing_Dave]

8. "according to U.S. sources"

We can translate that to mean "according right wing BS propaganda sources."

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. Probably the same nitwit US peroxide camera bulb source

[WCGreen]

9. They got it wrong.....

The message said...

Do your taxes now....

[orleans]

13. lol. and wouldn't a message about something like this be a bit more

vague??

why didn't the "u.s. sources" just really go all out and say when the british decoded the message it said "go out and kill thousands of britons & americans"?

why wouldn't the "green light" be more along the lines of:
"look for a sheep in the shop"
or
"candied yams are delicious and affordable"
or
"time to make the donuts"

[WCGreen]

15. I guess Earle and Randy are in charge of that

Light Brigade.....

[SlavesandBulldozers]

36. time to make the donuts.

lol

that reminds me of our own idiots, who actually named our operations un-vague shit like "Operation Iraqi Freedom" ( i mean who in their right minds could decipher that enigma) instead of cool vague shit like Operation Iron Nazi.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. This plot thing is getting stretched so thin it's going to snap.

[Newsjock]

14. The Hungarian phrasebook strikes again

What they really said was "My hovercraft is full of eels."

OK, "U.S. sources," show us the original message and let us see how it got decoded. Or else we won't believe you.

[eridani]

16. What bullshit.

Like they'd use a direct statement like that instead of code.

Remember folks, the postman always rings twice.

[jseankil]

17. Did you read the article?

"The message, which was intercepted and decoded"

[eridani]

19. What do they mean by "decoded" ?

They knew "the postman always rings twice" = "attack now"? How?

[daleo]

18. The alleged explosives don't seem feasible

TATP and nitro are so unstable, they probably wouldn't stand the drive to the airport. McVeigh's bomb was the size of a large truck. I don't know if a thimbleful of fertilizer explosive would actually do much damage.

"The Department of Homeland Security's report to law enforcement agencies outlined three types of explosives the suspects might have been planning to use:


TATP, made with hydrogen peroxide and acetone, which was used in last year's London subway bombings. It would not trigger conventional airport explosive detectors because it does not contain nitrogen. However, TATP is highly unstable and difficult to manufacture without expertise.


Nitroglycerin, a liquid explosive to which color can be added to make it resemble soft drinks or baby food. This was what was used in a thwarted 1994 al Qaeda plot to bomb aircraft traveling from Asia to the United States, which mirrored the alleged plot disrupted in Britain. (Watch how the plot had hallmarks of al Qaeda -- 3:19)


A combination of nitromethane, used to fuel model airplanes and racing cars, and an oxidizer, such as ammonium nitrate fertilizer. These ingredients were the basis of the bomb Timothy McVeigh used to destroy the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995."

[truthisfreedom]

20. must have intercepted rovian communications.

but nothing will be done about that...

[CJCRANE]

21. More likely "Do your raids now"

"B*sh is in trouble due to Lamont, and Blair due to Lebanon, so might as well do the terror raids now.
Yeah I know we were going to save them for closer to the 9/11 Five Year Anniversary PR Spectacular but what can you do?"

On edit: Was the informant called "Curveball" by any chance?

[Andrushka]

23. "Do your attacks now"

Was it followed with "This message will self-destruct in five seconds"?

What a huge pile of steaming horseshite.

[leesa]

24. As usual, it gets more and more unbelieveable. Eventually, all these

guys will likely be quietly released due to lack of evidence.

[Mabus]

25. "Our intelligence agencies made the arrests about one week ago,"

Okay, if they started arresting people in Pakistan last week, when was the message to "attack now" sent and by whom? :shrug:

LAHORE, Pakistan (CNN) -- The arrests of two British citizens and four Pakistanis last week directly contributed to terror arrests made Thursday in Britain, a senior Pakistani intelligence source told CNN Friday.

***

One suspect was arrested in the eastern city of Lahore and the second was picked up in Karachi, Pakistan's main port on the Arabian Sea, a senior Pakistani official told The Associated Press.

"Our intelligence agencies made the arrests about one week ago," he said.

***

Several Pakistani intelligence officials also confirmed the arrest of a third suspect in the eastern city of Faisalabad four or five days ago, but could provide no details on the suspect's identity or nationality, AP reported. They said they expected more arrests would follow.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/11/terror.plot.pakistan/index.html

[rocktivity]

26. Shades of the Florida 7 and their FBI informant beneficiary

This is unraveling faster than a stripper costume. And for the millionth time, spying isn't the problem--ILLEGEAL syping is.

:eyes:
rocknation

[IndianaGreen]

30. MSNBC reporter in UK is saying some of these guys did not have passports

and that the UK had them under surveillance for quite sometime, and did not want to arrest them until much later after the plot further developed.

[magellan]

33. UK Guardian says it isn't known who intercepted/decoded the message

Months of monitoring exposed details of conspiracy

"snip...
According to these sources, the message was intercepted and decoded by either British or US intelligence in the past 72 hours, spurring counterterrorism officials to intensify the investigation against the alleged plotters."

[Don Claybrook]

34. All your bases are belong to us

Do your passport-applying and ticket-buying too, if you get a chance, fellas. It will help with the "do your attacks" part.

Liars. I mean, unnamed, on-condition-of-anonymity, US-based-had-no-part-in-solving-case liars.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

37. I'm just sitting back, reading all of this and thanking

God that the 300 million dollar a day war in Iraq put an end to terrorism.

[NVMojo]

39. It was probably DICK CHENEY and his pal from Iraq ...