Hillary Clinton urges slower handover

[reknewcomer]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A72E913B-8E34-4F5E-8380-1215D17D3C36.htm

Senator Hillary Clinton says President Bush is moving too fast to transfer power to the Iraqis by July.

"It's going to take more time than has been allotted for the process to take hold," the New York Democrat said during a brief stopover to visit US troops in Kuwait on Saturday.

[Bucky]

1. She wants a slower hand over WHAT?

Ha! That's an off color joke. I think this is an interesting track for her. Wes Clark, supposedly her "stalking horse" or at least the ally of her kingmaker hubby, is saying we have to have a faster hand over. I won't make any jokes about the woman saying "go slower" and the guy saying "go faster."

Because that would be tacky.

[Gloria]

3. There's a problem with the "elections" and the top Shiite clergyman

has come out in protest. If these "elections" go down the way they are being set up, there will be big problems...big problems. And if things really get worse, Bush might be seeing an Islamist gov. in Iraq---and then who knows what these loonies might do??

[Blue_Roses]

6. you have no idea

what you are talking about. Whether or not you believe it, she does make excellent sense here. We may not have wanted this war, but we are there now and to walk out and leave it to the Iraqis is leaving that country to another complete take-over by someone who is chomping to take Saddam's place.

She's right on the mark.

[Voltaire99]

8. Why would we ever leave Iraq to the Iraqis?

Just what would those ignorant peasants do with their own nation, anyway?

You've fallen hook, line and sinker for the imperial line. You'll discover, perhaps, that your argument is self-perpetuating, as all colonial justifications are intended to be: *Oh, we can't leave yet...or later...or ever...for the natives aren't sufficiently civilized! Without our paternal care, they'll never develop!* Etc. etc.

Try to look beyond such an arrogant and foolish position.

[GermanDJ]

12. Ms. Clinton hast lost any credibility

at least for me.
I watched her a couple of months ago on German television. She was a guest in one of the most important political talk shows here ("Sabine Christiansen"). I wasn't really expecting much from her, given how she had commented on the war before. But what she said during the talk show shocked me. It was the same rhetoric that our ultra-conservative politicians (who are the opposition party here in Germany) used during the build-up to the war.
It went so far that Angela Merkel, the leader of the christian-conservative party "CDU" sat there with a big smile on her face every time Hillary Clinton justified the war.

[RapidCreek]

11. Yea...and you do?

....to walk out and leave it to the Iraqis is leaving that country to another complete take-over by someone who is chomping to take Saddam's place....

How do you know? Care to elaborate? Reciting talking points is lame. Perhaps you can explain when exactly would be the best time to leave Iraq to the Iraqis. Give me a date.


RC

[Malva Zebrina]

2. I am a little disappointed

but nevertheless, at least she is in the headlines. She is playing it too safe but what else is to be expected? Hillary is not that much of a risk taker. She needs to grow another ovary.

[sventvkg]

4. Look, this colonialism isn't going to work and never has in the mideast

These People WANT a Theocracy..It's NOT in their culture to have a Western Style Democracy. IT's not Islamic to have one. Many Many of the worst sins in Islam are rooted in our western style of capitalist Government..Aint' gonna happen people..Even the Neocons know that..We are not there to set up a Democracy and never have been..It's all a front..ARe you forgetting that? Please re-read up on the PNAC agenda..These people are evil and it can be said a bit warped in their minds but NOT stupid..They know there will never be a domocracy in the Middle EAst.LOLOL....Come on people..Get back on the right track here...The only way to subvert the Radical Right's agenda is to NOT GO ALONG WITH IT..Refuse to even debate with them because its Faux anyway..We need to take the country back and hand over power to the United NAtions..We need to then, rebuild what we destroyed and apologize profusely for allowing a Radical right wing faction to take control of our foreign policy and wreak havoc on their country....Bacially we need to leave them the fuck alone after we make amends...They are not us and do not want to be..However, we do need to take out ANY emerging threat like the Iranian Nuke weapons program because those weapons WILL end up in the hands of Radicals eventually. Hillary Clinton is WRong....completely. We do not need to hold out longer before we hand over power...we do not need more of our soldiers getting picked off. We really created a serious mess and we need to try to clean it up and move on to what is important like Clear and present danger and emerging serious threats to our national security.

[oasis]

5. Why don't the elections include a referendum on when the U.S. must go?

Since the polls indicate a 90 percent approval by the local folk there should be no problem putting up to a real vote.

[oasis]

14. # 5 should read: Why can't Iraqis have an election on U.S. occupation?

[Maple]

7. Bush wants to do it fast

so he is out of the quagmire by election time.

She is saying go slower, because it will be a disaster if we pull out 'solely for the benefit of Bush's election campaign'

It's politics.

[Voltaire99]

9. Nice one, Hillary. When are you going to learn?

As if voting eagerly for the war weren't bad enough, here comes Hillary again - after all the US dishonesty, after all the casualties, after world condemnation - once more to prove her service to empire.

Is it impossible for the Democratic Party to understand the catastrophe of this invasion? Or institutionally, is the party too beholden to the same interests as the GOP to think for itself? What will it take?

Poor America - offered a choice between vicious pillaging warmongers and...a putative opposition that just happens to think occupying other nations is fine, too.

[Aidoneus]

10. Dems sacrifice themselves holding up W's coattails, yet again..

film at 11..

Bush is very fortunate to have these Democratic politicians defending the criminal and murderous occupation for him. I get it that they do so out of the generally basic fact that the "two camps" basically serve the same set of interests and thus the only argument is a pointless oneuppish game of "I can do the same things better!" (indeed, that's the argument people even here use from time to time), but consistant assistance towards criminal policies like this is just annoying as hell. Thanks.. :eyes:

[RapidCreek]

13. Gotta wonder...

If Bush hit himself in the head with a tack hammer would Mrs. Clinton hit herself in the head with a ten pound sledge?

RC

[VolcanoJen]

15. Dupe.. locking

Please continue discussion within the original LBN thread on this topic, which can be found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=245020

Thanks!
VolcanoJen
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