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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:16 PM
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Terror detectives 'find bomb kit' - nb UK
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 01:17 PM by edwardlindy
For anyone with the least bit of interest here's the latest :

Police probing an alleged plot to bring down an airline have found a suitcase containing items which could be used to construct a bomb, the BBC has learned

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5261086.stm

Personally I find the whole issue really boring.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:20 PM
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1. Don't check MY backpack, then! Gatorade and iPod?????!!!!
OMG! I bring those to my weekly volleyball games. TERRA TERRA TERRA!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:24 PM
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2. Jesus, you would think that after a year of investigating these people
they would have accumulated some kind of real evidence. Traipsing through the woods looking for old suitcases wouldn't be where I would want to be if I were the MI-13 or whatever they call themselves.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:29 PM
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3. And nothing connecting said suitcase with any of the suspects.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 01:43 PM
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4. Was it full of...
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:03 PM
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5. Rashid Rauf appears to be the central figure in the plot
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 02:59 PM by leveymg
WHO IS RASHID RAUF?

Rashid Rauf, 25, a Britain of Pakistani descent, appears to be the key to unraveling the Liquid Bomb Plot. Rauf has been was last year by British authorities in connection with the London 7/7 bombings, but quickly released. He was also detained in the stabbing death of a relative in 2002, after which he reportedly travelled to Pakistan. He apparently returned to Britain last year and went back to Pakistan, where he was arrested a couple weeks ago, reportedly triggered the round-up of 24 suspects.

Rauf is reported to have confessed to having had a role in planning the use of binary liquids to produce explosives.

His younger brother, Tayib, was also arrested.

The BBC states: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5261086.stm

It is believed up to 17 people are being held in Pakistan over the alleged plot - with two British nationals of Pakistani descent among them.

Pakistani officials said one of the Britons, Rashid Rauf, was believed to have links to al-Qaeda, but they released no details about the other Briton.

Mr Rauf is believed to have played a pivotal role in planning the operation, as well as being the go-between between al-Qaeda and the alleged plotters in Britain.

According to the Associated Press new agency, Pakistani officials believe he was the planner of the alleged attacks and recruited people to take part.


Juan Cole writes about Rauf: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:A3eybozZ7FkJ:www.juancole.com/+Rashid+Rauf+double-agent&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

Dawn -- http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/12/top1.htm -- reports although Pakistan provided a clue that was important to putting the group in the UK under surveillance a year ago, recent UK-Pakistan cooperation was key as well. Britain alerted Pakistani authorities to the importance of Rashid Rauf, who holds both British and Pakistani citizenship but has recently been resident in Pakistan and is the father of one of the 23 plotters arrested by the British.

Pakistani sources say that when, fairly recently, Pakistan took Rauf into custody, he confessed to the details of the plot, especially the plan to mix liquid explosives on board.

But the British official narrative that is emerging says that the Pakistani arrest of Rauf was carried out by mistake or on unrelated grounds, and that it forced Scotland Yard to go ahead and arrest 24 members of the cell in London lest Rashid's arrest cause them to scatter.

Rauf was arrested briefly last summer in the UK under suspicion of being linked to the 7/7 subway bombings. When he moved back to Pakistan, MI5 alerted Pakistani authorities, who kept him under surveillance.
Dawn adds:


' The links of the arrested suspect could not be confirmed, but the sources said intelligence agencies had put four Islamic organisations on the watch list, they included two UK-based outfits Al Mahajroon and Hizbul Tehrir, and two Pakistani organisations Lashkar-i-Taiba and Lashkar-i-Jhangvi. '


The News (Pakistan) says that Rauf himself traveled to Afghanistan and had links there. It also provides further details about arrests in Pakistan.


That article in the The News specified that statements by Rauf had led to the arrest of the others:

Interior Minister Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao said Pakistan had arrested an al-Qaeda operative who had played a key role in the terror plot. “He is a British citizen of Pakistani origin. He is an al-Qaeda operative with linkages in Afghanistan,” Sherpao told Reuters.

He said the arrest of the man, identified as Rashid Rauf, had led to a wave of arrests in Britain that headed off the alleged plot to blow up as many as 10 aircraft flying from Britain to the US.

“We arrested him from the border area and on his disclosure we shared the information with British authorities, which led to further arrests in Britain,” he told The Associated Press.


This from Chicago Times: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/13plot.html

A swirl of attention has focused on the role that the brothers Rashid and Tayib Rauf may have played in the airliner plot. Their father, Abdul Rauf, immigrated to Britain from the Mirpur district of Pakistan several decades ago, and his five children were all born in Britain, the family said.

Rashid Rauf was arrested about a week ago along the Pakistan-Afghan border, and Pakistani officials have characterized him as a "key person" in the airline plot. They said evidence linked him to an "Afghanistan-based al-Qaida connection" but gave no details.

His 22-year-old brother, Tayib, was taken into custody in Britain during the sweeps that nabbed 24 people here, and unconfirmed reports said a third brother might have been detained.

SNIP

The Raufs' terraced home was first searched during a 2002 investigation into the fatal stabbing of Mohammed Saeed, an uncle of the brothers, police said. Rashid Rauf was reportedly a suspect in the slaying and is thought to have left England for Pakistan shortly after the death.

The house was searched again in connection with a murder during race riots in 2005.


OTHER INFO

Rashid Rauf

Arrested in Pakistan.

Sources said Rashid Rauf was father of Tayyab Rauf, a suspect who was arrested in United Kingdom last year in connection with 7/7 London train blasts.

Rashid Rauf was arrested in the city of Bahawalpur in southern Punjab state. Mr. Rauf, a brother of one of the suspects arrested in England, has been described in some media reports as having connections to Al Qaeda and the Pakistani militant group Jaish-e-Muhammed (based in Bahawalpur), and is believed to have been in Pakistan to raise funds and to consort with other militants in plotting the scheme.

Tayib Rauf
DoB 26/04/1984
Address Birmingham

A swirl of attention has focused on the role that the brothers Rashid and Tayib Rauf may have played in the airliner plot. Their father, Abdul Rauf, immigrated to Britain from the Mirpur district of Pakistan several decades ago, and his five children were all born in Britain, the family said.

Rashid Rauf was arrested about a week ago along the Pakistan-Afghan border, and Pakistani officials have characterized him as a "key person" in the airline plot. They said evidence linked him to an "Afghanistan-based al-Qaida connection" but gave no details.

His 22-year-old brother, Tayib, was taken into custody in Britain during the sweeps that nabbed 24 people here, and unconfirmed reports said a third brother might have been detained.

The Rauf family is thought to be of Kashmiri origin. Rashid Rauf left the UK in 2002 after his uncle was stabbed to death. He was wanted for questioning regarding the killing. The family home in Birmingham has also been previously searched by police following the stabbing of a black IT worker in the area. Rauf is thought to be an explosives expert who trained members of the British bomb team in Pakistan, as well as many other young men passing through Islamic camps.



ANY RELATION TO MOHAMMAD RAUF, FBI DOUBLE-AGENT?

Born in Kashmir on June 4th 1969, Iyman Faris (aka. Mohammad Rauf, also mistakenly reported as Lyman Harris) is a former Ohio truck driver who was convicted of providing material support to Al Qaeda, for his role in a plot to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge.

Faris served as an FBI double agent, after Khalid Sheikh Mohammed implicated him for providing support to Al-Qaeda.<1>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iyman_Faris




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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:33 PM
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8. To clear up one point - Rashid Rauf is the elder brother, not the father
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 03:17 PM
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10. More on Rauf's connection to the 7/7 bombings
Edited on Thu Aug-17-06 03:19 PM by leveymg
Rauf was first detained and interrogated by British authorities in April 2002 following the stabbing death of an uncle, but he was never charged. Soon thereafter, he was allowed to leave the country and travelled to Pakistan, where he made contact with al-Qaeda. He reportedly was given explosives training. He returned to Britain before the 7/7 London transit bombings, but again, was quickly releaased. He travelled back to Pakistan, where he was finally arrested and held in custody. The Times of London reports: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2309334,00.html

In a separate development, Scotland Yard is investigating possible links between the men arrested on Thursday and other British terrorists, including the July 7 bombers. They are concerned that some of those now in custody visited Pakistan last year at the same time as two of the London bombers. Pakistani intelligence sources are examining whether any of those arrested on Thursday attended the same madrassa, or religious school, as the 7/7 bombers.

SNIP

Pakistani officials said that Rauf had forged links with militant groups and received explosives training at an al-Qaeda camp.

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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 05:46 PM
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11. So Rauf murdered his uncle, and then was let off
on condition he worked for a government Black Op, which was using Al Quaeda, an organization created by America, to mislead the public into thinking Muslims are behind the "terror attacks".

Thus blinding us to the fact that our own governments are attacking us in order to institutionalise complete compliance to their fascist agenda, and promoting hatred against Muslims to justify wars of greed against the Middle East.

The above might not be factual, but never forget it is possible.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:08 AM
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17. That about sums it up (nt)
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:20 PM
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6. terror alert! terror alert! judge finds gw spying is unconstitutional
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:30 PM
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7. "items which could be used to construct a bomb" is very vague
and if they listed those 'items' people would probably laugh.

i remember a story about some 'satanists' home raided in San Francisco where a 'baptismal pool', 'child restraining devise', and 'explosives' were found. The lawsuit the 'satanists' brought against the city revealed these things to be a kiddie pool, one of those bouncing seats you put infants in, and perfectly legal fire-crackers for the 4th of July.

fucking media.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 02:59 PM
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9. IT'S A FUCKING SNIPE HUNT
A lot of smoke very little fire

APPARENTLY NOT YET AT ALL.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:54 AM
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14. junior knows a snipe hunt will stump the sheeple
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:58 AM
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15. Ah yes the ever present SHEEPLE
More worried about the ramsey child than the kid next door in Iraq-Nam about to be blown into hash
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 06:16 PM
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12. "Terra" has been a burden for the One and a tool to the Other.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:40 AM
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13. Mentos And Diet Coke
They were going to make a fizz bomb by dropping Mentos into bottles of Diet Coke. :evilgrin:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:49 AM
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 06:12 AM
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18. Read
David Ray Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor" which sites official govt reports and mainstream news sources.

Then come back and we'll have an informed debate.

(Or even go and read the official 9/11 report and then the latest book released by two of its commissioners, to see that what we're told in TV news headlines doesn't match up with what's going on behind the scenes).
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:02 AM
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19. September Eleventh 101.
Lets look at the FACTS as presented to us (i.e. take the official information at face value).

1) 19 hijackers - 15 from Saudi Arabia, 2 from UAE, 1 from Egypt, 1 from Lebanon
2) The alleged mastermind is a Pakistani in Pakistan
3) Funds for the 9/11 operation were transferred to the hijackers from Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan.

Saudi Arabia is an islamic fundamentalist state ruled by an absolute monarchy, UAE is ruled by seven Emirs and Pakistan is a de facto military dictatorship.

And how did B*sh react to these countries after 9/11? Yes, that's right, he REWARDED them.

He removed US troops from Saudi Arabia, just as bin Laden had demanded. His administration recently sold them a billion dollars worth of tanks and just today the Blair govt has signed a deal for $20 billion of Eurofighter jets.

Then the Republicans tried to sell American ports to the UAE, and now of course Pakistan is B*sh's most trusted ally (after Britain).

And who suffered for the revenge for 9/11? Iraq, which had nothing to do with it and was a secular country completely opposed to islamic fundamentalism.

So, if you think this is really a war against terrorism/tyranny/extremism and for democracy/freedom/human rights...

Then I got a port to sell you.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:10 AM
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20. The second 9/11 was something you simply were not used to
It paled into insignificance compared with the wartime bombing of London and Coventry etc and hence less importnace was attached to it outside of the USA.

The first 9/11 , Chile 1973 , was a different matter. Aggregate deaths as a direct result of American overseas policy were far greater than 9/11/01.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:33 AM
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21. *yawn*
sure. a mason jar of nails and a 1970s volt meter. oh, and a swiss army knife!
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