Annan: Israeli raid violates cease-fire

[rodeodance]

Annan: Israeli raid violates cease-fire

Lebanese citizens inspect the crater at a bridge that was destroyed when Israeli missiles targeted it, in the village of Boudai, in the Bekaa Valley, eastern Lebanon, Saturday, Aug. 19, 2006. Israeli commandos raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep inside Lebanon Saturday, sparking a fierce clash with militants that left one Israeli soldier dead. Lebanon called the raid a 'flagrant violation' of the U.N.-brokered cease-fire, while Israel said it was aimed at disrupting arms smuggling from Iran and Syria. (AP Photo/Samer Husseini)
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BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israeli commandos raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep in Lebanon on Saturday, engaging in a fierce gunbattle, and the Lebanese government threatened to halt further troop deployments in protest as the 6-day-old U.N.-brokered cease-fire was put to a critical test. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called the operation a violation of the U.N. truce, according to a statement from his spokesman.

http://news.yahoo.com/

[eccles12]

1. But what is anyone going to do about it? UN sanctions? What?

It was a clear unprovoked attack. There is no way that any Arab nation should be disarming in the face such Israeli attacks.

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. Arms smuggling violates 1701 as well n/t

[iamalevi2]

4. Israel's right

Exactly, people tend to forget Israel is surrounded by people that want to kill them!

[breakaleg]

8. Since when are people punished for their bad thoughts?

[Name removed]

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[damntexdem]

12. And Israel constantly gives them more and more reasons.

Israel is a de facto state; and over 3 million people live there. Any settlement needs to accept that fact. But Israel CAN manage to outrage so many of its neighbors, and lose so many allies, that its existence could be threatened. The American people MIGHT finally tire of supporting a rogue state that continually visits death and destruction upon its neighbors.

[xultar]

10. I wanna see the fucking proof there were arms being smuggled.

I don't believe any thing the Israeli government says. They have as much credibility as Bush and Blair's fucked up governments.

[ConcernedCanuk]

17. "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. . .

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Whatever else Jean Chretien may have or have not done during his tenure as our Prime Minister - I will be forever grateful to Jean for keeping us out of this Iraqi slaughter.

When challenged by the opposition for his refusal to assist the USA in their invasion on Iraq with the dubious and unproven threat of WMDs , and on national TV - this was his response . . . .

Full version:

"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.

Jean Chretien

SOURCE

[ConcernedCanuk]

23. They have as much credibility as Bush and Blair's f*cked up governments.

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I agree

AND

I found a link where you can watch/save a video of our PM keeping us out of this Iraqi massacre

scroll down until you read "Proof is the proof is the proof."

It's accessible in low band to high speed, and also down loadable >>>> http://www.airfarce.com/video/031114.html

[Behind the Aegis]

26. Is there ANY proof you'd find legit?

[xultar]

27. Yeah but as long as it isn't bullshit videos like they showed in the Qana

thing..weren't from Qana, weren't from that date etc. That I wouldn't believe.
You gotta admit Israel hasn't been very good in backing up their claims where Qana was concerned.

[xultar]

28. Would you have asked me if it was Bush instead of Olmert? Nope.

I'm supposed to believe these fuckers @ face value cuz they are Israel?
BUHWAWAWAWA!

You're not going to tell me you are objective on this are you?

Olmert and Bush are 2-sides of the same fucked up coin. I don't believe either and even their fucking proof deserves a skeptical view.

Furthermore Israel had more credibility with me until this thing now I question them as much as I question my own Government.

I find it funny you think it is o.k. to question Bush but Olmert is to be believed without question.

[Behind the Aegis]

32. It depends.

Unlike you, I don't assume that everything that emerges is a lie. While it is most likely to be a half-truth at best, it warrants investigation.

I find it interesting that many here will accept anything anti-Israeli out-of-hand from any source. Consider the recent problems with Reuters and their bevy of falsified pictures. Consider the reports coming out of Lebanon that have been refuted or corrected as time progressed. If this story had been about any other country, would you automatically assume the worst?

[xultar]

34. I assume based on the fact that the Bush Administration has erroded

my trust that every administration is a fucking liar until they prove me different.

So why assume I'm anti-Israel when I'm really anti lying muthafuckas.

I had a sliver of trust left for Israel even though I didn't like their actions.
Qana ended that for me.

I can separate the people from the Administration. Can you?

[Behind the Aegis]

36. ....

"I can separate the people from the Administration. Can you?" I can. It seems you are the one who cannot. Being anti-Israeli doesn't mean against the people of Israel, it can be against the government as well. Since that was the topic, anti-Israeli would indeed mean against the administration of Israel. Had this been an article about the suffering of Israelis and you denied it or made light of it, then anti-Israeli would mean against the people of Israel.

I am not at all pleased with many of the actions of the Israeli government. However, they are not the source of all problems in the Middle East as many here would like to believe. If, G-d forbid, Israel were to up and disappear, a few here would be overjoyed, but they would soon learn that the problems in the Middle East would continue unabated, they just wouldn't have a convenient scapegoat!

As for you other post about the pictures, you are aware I wasn't just talking about the "fake smoke" one? I was talking about the staged photos, inflated numbers of deaths, and other "false facts," that were later retracted, but little here took notice or even excused it! That is an anti-Israeli attitude!

[xultar]

38. How about this, I'll PM you everytime I blast Hezbollah so you'll know.

[Behind the Aegis]

42. I am guessing I won't get many.

[xultar]

35. BTW the pictures from Reuters were so fuckin fake who didn't know.

Further more I assume the Media lies too.

So don't bring that if it had been about any other country would you automatically assume the worst. I don't believe the media either. Most of us here @ DU don't. Most people @ DU are skeptical of just about everything.

Don't assume being skeptical with being anti-Israel.

I question everyone and every phuckin thing.

[xultar]

39. Do me a favor & put me on ignore. I like you and all but your assumptions

about who you think I am and what I'm about are beginning to piss me OFF.

You can play that accusatory game and you're anti Israel = anti semite anti Israeli people with someone else who has the time.

Peace

[Karenina]

40. Your reaction SHOULD BE

a CLEAR indication the the tactics being used by the "ISRAEL RIGHT AND WRONG" are ineffective and self-defeating. Unfortunately, mx dear Xultar I must inform you that you're an anti-semite, do not care about dead Jews, support turrists, want to see Israel wiped of the map und so weiter und sofort... ;-)

[Behind the Aegis]

41. I will not.

You are welcome to put me on ignore, that is your choice. But, as you say I am making accusations and assumptions about you, you have done the EXACT same thing to me.

Personally, I like you and think you a very nice person. I don't think I have ever seen anything you have posted that I would classify as even remotely anti-Semitic. However, if you want to play the little game that the others are, when someone calls you anti-Israeli (which I didn't), then you become the victim of the 'big mean Zionist calling you an anti-Semite,' even though it never happened, so be it!

It is a shame it has come to this. Perhaps we will cross paths again.

Shalom.

[Name removed]

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[lumpy]

43. Arms smuggling was involved in the

Israeli commando attack in Boudai??? This has not been reported as being the case. Lets see the proof that this attack was about arms smuggling. It was a sneak attack by Israel soldiers wearing Lebanese army uniforms; a sneak attack that went wrong because the soldiers had a poor grasp of the Arabic language and managed to not fool anyone. Of course the Israeli government only come up with the lie that it was an attack against arms smuggling and a defensive action. Their bullcrap just does't fly

[toopers]

45. Hezbollah has violated this ceasefire from the start . . .

Part of the ceasefire agreement was that Hezbollah would disarm, and that the Lebanese army would help them disarm. Unfortunately, neither of these parties have held up their end of the ceasefire, and never intended to. They just made the statements to get Israel to stop.

Hopefully, Israel will pick up their campaign and destroy Hezbollah.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. Sanction this.....

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0393/9303040.htm

March 1993, Page 40

The Peace Process

Lessons to be Learned From 66 U.N. Resolutions Israel Ignores

By Donald Neff

[AusGail]

3. UN sanctions sounds like an excellent idea

Israel always seem to use the excuse that "they were defending themselves", which has now worn very thin. However, I could not see any "sanctions" resolution passed in the UN while Bolton is there and he seems to carry a lot of weight.

[ShockediSay]

6. How 'bout our own sanctions? the Israel Lobby is always boycotting

the Times (NY and LA and God knows who else) ...

is there a website that tells me which companies I want to boycott to protest Israel's policies???

[breakaleg]

11. Yes, here....

http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html

I've already decided to do that myself.

[Karenina]

29. Israel wants YOU to boycott Europe!

ALL EUROPEANS ARE ANTI-SEMITES!!! :sarcasm:

This, hot off the presses (well, lukewarm anyway) to my in-box:

>> Subject: ISRAEL BOYCOTT
>> Date:
>> Wed, 26 Jul 2006 5:00:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>
>> Germany announced its decision to stop all arms sales to
>> Israel.
>>
>>
>> Several weeks ago, Germany announced its decision to stop all arms
>> sales
>> to Israel. Since then, other countries have followed suit. In response,
>> Israel has canceled its annual multimillion dollar contract for its
>> nationwide
>> DAN buses which were manufactured in Germany, and is looking at other
>> bus
>> suppliers in the US, and Japan.
>>
>> The Europeans and their Muslim allies should understand that boycotts
>> works both ways. When we said NEVER AGAIN, we meant it. Europe is stuck
>> in
>> the
>> mentality of 1933 and conditioned to thinking of Jews as defenseless
>> entities. The reality is very different. As long as Europe adheres to
>> and
>> supports its primitive Middle Ages death cult, European products must
>> be
>> off limits.
>>
>> We continue to call for a complete boycott of travel and products from
>> the
>> following countries France, Belgium, Spain, Germany, Sweden,
>> Switzerland,
>> Norway, Denmark, Holland, and China, due to their support, sponsorship,
>>
>> and/or participation in global Islamic terror. The voting record of the
>>
>> above countries at the UN openly endorses Muslim terror.
>>
>> Remember, every time you buy a bottle of Evian, a Carlsberg product, a
>> Spanish melon, a Godiva chocolate, a Dior lipstick, a Gucci bag, or a
>> German kitchen appliance, you are financing the next Muslim mass
>> murderer.
>>
>> The European Union gives over $10 million per month to the Palestinian
>> Authority, knowing full well that the money is funneled to buy, import,
>> and
>> train Muslim terrorists and their weapons of mass murder.
>>
>> We strongly encourage everyone to buy American and Israeli products
>> instead.
>> Buy Estee Lauder or Ahava instead of Chanel, Dior, and YSL. Tell the
>> salespeople why. Educate the public when you shop.
>>
>> Europe is underwriting the Arab war to exterminate the Jewish state. We
>> cannot sit idly by while this happens. Make your voice heard and let
>> them
>> feel the sting in their pocketbooks. Let the Europeans know that
>> supporting terror does not pay.
>>
>> Please send this to at least 10 like minded people

>>
>> PS.. Don't buy any halavah..it's made from Lebonese sesame seeds.
>>
>> Fred
>>

I wonder who Fred is... :shrug:

[Behind the Aegis]

31. Not very "hot" at all...

September 21, 2003

If You Want Credibility In Your Boycott Call,
Sign Your Name

Summary: A non-verifiable email is circulating that calls for a boycott based on a news article. When the source information is not verifiable and there is no contact information for the boycotters, Boycott Watch must conclude that the boycott call is false and/or unfounded.

An email is circulating calling for a boycott of products from many countries based upon the actions one country. In this case, on April 15, 2002 Israel National News (www.IsraelNN.com) reported that in response to a German government decision not to supply tank parts to Israel, Israel's Dan Bus Company canceled an $18 million order for 100 German buses.

The email has been circulating but since it does not have any name claiming to be the sponsor of the boycott - nobody is taking responsibility for the boycott call. There is nobody to confirm the information with nor is there any way to tell if the email has been modified from the original boycott call by people who pare passing it around.

The boycott call also goes way beyond the reasoning for the boycott. Boycott Watch must therefore conclude that the email has no credibility on several grounds. 1) No verifiable source of the boycott call. 2) Nobody taking responsibility for the boycott call. 3) No original contact source for the boycott call. 4) No way to verify if the email has been altered. 5) With no source information, there is no way to establish metrics to determine the success, if any, of the boycott. 6) The boycott email goes way beyond the boycott call intent, indicating possible modifications to the original email. 7) The news story that the boycott is based on already has a remedy. 8) There are no follow-up news reports regarding the original story.

source (bold added by me)

[Karenina]

37. Errrraaa...

I have no disagreement with your research and thought I'd made clear the "lukewarm" quality of this message. It's less about the credibility and more about the mindset of endless blame and accusations with which we have all become so familiar. THIS is what is being whipped up in the community. The whole BESCHEUERT wit or agin bullshit.

[mom cat]

13. Here you go :

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-02,GGLG:en&q=boycott+Israel

Have at it.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

7. It would be nice if the party in charge had at least some concept

of basic grammar.


To: BlackVeil
I say Go isreal GO! its about time they start kicking ass i wished america would do the same these people dont want peace they have made it very clear what there goal's they are united for common casue they want the whole world under one rule which is islam if American people dont wake up it will happen i dont know why? They dont get it I just dont



3 posted on 08/19/2006 3:05:17 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (America Love it or Leave it!)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1686358/posts

[bushmeister0]

15. Loose thinking there Chained to Rush.

"these people dont want peace"

Wow!That's some very nuanced commentary you got there. It seems to me, based on the history of this conflict, one could could say the same about Israel. Ever hear of the King David Hotel or Shabra and Shatila?

General Mordecai Gur, Chief of Staff during the 1978 invasion of southern Lebanon, was asked whether the Israeli army had bombarded Lebanese civilians "without discrimination."

He said:

"I've been in the army thirty years. Do you think I don't know what we've been doing all these years? A million and a half refugees! Really, where do you live? Since when has the population of South Lebanon been so sacred? They know very well what the terrorists were doing. After the massacre of Avivim, I had four villages in South Lebanon bombarded without authorization."

Al-HAMISHMAR: "Without discrimination?"

GUR: "What discrimination? What had the inhabitants of Irbid done to deserve being bombarded by us?"

AL-HAMISHMAR: "You maintain that the civilian population should be punished?"

GUR: "And how! I am using Sabra language: and how! I never doubted it, not for a minute. When I said. . . bring in tanks as quickly as possible and hit them from far off before boys reach a face-to-face battle, didn't I know what I was doing? I gave that order. . .

Very peace loving. http://imnotworthy.blogspot.com/2006/07/is-israel-really-our-friend-purity-of.html>

"they want the whole world under one rule which is islam"

They do? Who said that? What I think "they" want is for us to stop interfering in their affairs and stop exploiting their resources. I seriously doubt even OBL wants to occupy the US or bother converting us infidels. Actually OBL and al-Qaeda have no policies. They don't provide health care or have plans for reviving the economy of any country they might some day take over. All they have is their hate and their sense of inferiority and calls for revenge, which Israel conveniently keeps providing for them.

I do remember a bunch of misguided evangelicals rushing into Iraq to try and convert the Iraqis though. Maybe, that and W. saying he was waging a crusade wasn't the best way to convince them we were only interested in bringing them western democratic values.

"Go isreal GO! its about time they start kicking ass"

Yeah, as soon as they're able to equip their reservists and figure out where exactly Hezbollah is. . .

[bushmeister0]

16. Ah ha! I see what that was now. If I could post there

this is what I would have said.

Maybe, DU should let some of these numbskulls in so we could have some fun.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

18. Yeah, it could sure be a blast, but mom always told me it was not

polite to pick on the handicapped.

[PaDem]

14. Has the * Administration made a statement.........

condemning this invasion yet?

[Zhade]

19. Yes, yes it does.

So - what will be done, now that Israel has unilaterally violated the cease-fire?

(Megaphonies: fuck off. Not even responding to your bullshit anymore. Thanks.)

[struggle4progress]

20. U.N. Chief: Israeli Raid Broke Cease-Fire

POSTED: 11:01 am MDT August 19, 2006
UPDATED: 6:41 pm MDT August 19, 2006

UNITED NATIONS -- ...

A statement issued by Annan's spokesman said the U.N. chief spoke with the prime ministers of Lebanon and Israel about the fighting. The statement said, "The secretary-general is deeply concerned about a violation by the Israeli side of the cessation of hostilities" ...

In Washington, the White House declined to criticize the raid. It notes that Israel said it acted in reaction to arms smuggling into Lebanon and that the U.N. resolution calls for the prevention of resupplying Hezbollah with weapons.

The Israeli army confirmed that it blew up a bridge in the Bekaa Valley. It said the move was to keep more Hezbollah fighters from reaching an area where Israeli forces are battling militants ...

Lebanon threatened to stop its troop deployments to the south because of the attack, which it termed a "flagrant violation" of the cease-fire ...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9704946/detail.html

[bluedog]

21. they should be sanctioned and an embargo put on them

other countries have them imposed on them.....why should Israel be any different/

[cali]

33. Well, in that case

don't you think the U.S. should be sanctioned and have an embargo placed on us? Not very practical in either case,

[uppityperson]

22. gee, snarky comment followed by cynical thought and wishes for true peace.

kick, by the way

[tgnyc]

24. What part of "cease fire" does Israel not understand? I think the

gov. of Israel is feeling humiliated by the flood of complaints they receiving from the Israeli people over its failure to destroy Hezbollah. So they've decided to try to provoke Hezbollah as a pretext to continue the fighting.

[FormerDem06]

30. I think you're right about Israel

They are definately feeling a sting from what happened. They pushed up to the river and did their job, and then accepted a cease-fire and somehow Hezbollah won according to the rebels and that whackjob that leads Iran. So if they had completed the job and destroyed Hezbollah, they would have been blamed for killing all those people, and if they accept a cease-fire they lost the conflict and emboldened the region's Israel haters. How do you win in that situation?

This issue is confusing to me to say the least. I wish I could really feel that Hezbollah was acting alone on this and it truly was self defense. But I get the feeling that they were told to agitate by Iran and Syria and got themselves involved in a proxy war for Iran (mostly). I'll also bet money that Iran and Syria are both funneling weapons to them as we eat, speak, sleep and breathe. I have a fear that they're just waiting until the rockets are built up full-bore again and then they're going to do something else to force Israels hand in this again and start another "disproportionate conflict". If Iran's nose wasn't in all of this, I'd have a much better feeling about the whole thing.

This is one of those cases where you can't blame militant Islam either, so the shades of grey get to be even stranger. I spent some time in Beirut after college, and I absolutely love that place.

Maybe it would be best if Iran would just grow a pair and march an army across Iraq and Syra and get it all over with. I don't think they're going to make things pleasant for Israel in the region as long as their President thinks he's going to make their savior come out of a well by creating turmoil in the Middle East.

[The Stranger]

44. "In a time of universal deceit, to speak the truth is a revolutionary act"

My compliments to Mr. Orwell.