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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:07 PM
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AP: Sexual Abuse By Military Recruiters
AP Aug 19, 2006

More than 100 young women who expressed interest in joining the military in the past year were preyed upon sexually by their recruiters. Women
were raped on recruiting office couches, assaulted in government cars and groped enroute to entrance exams.

A six-month Associated Press investigation found that more than 80 military recruiters were disciplined last year for sexual misconduct with
potential enlistees. The cases occurred across all branches of the military and in all regions of the country.

"This should never be allowed to happen," said one 18-year-old victim. "The recruiter had all the power. He had the uniform. He had my future.
I trusted him."

At least 35 Army recruiters, 18 Marine Corps recruiters, 18 Navy recruiters and 12 Air Force recruiters were disciplined for sexual misconduct or
other innappropriate behavior with potential enlistees in 2005, according to records obtained by the AP under dozens of Freedom of Information
Act requests. That's significantly more than the handful of cases disclosed in the past decade.

http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fstories%2F2006%2F08%2F19%2Fnational%2Fprintable1913849.shtml

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pooja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:09 PM
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1. WTF? This country sucks!!!!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:35 PM
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15. The military is filled with low life scum bags
Recruiters are supposed to be some of the smarter of the Breed.

If you think they are bad look at some

Of the low lifes getting "TRIGGER TIME" in Iraq-Nam

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Big_Mike Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:52 PM
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17. Oh, get off it. "Filled with lowlife scumbags" indeed.
Neighbor, you are generally interesting for your viewpoint. I can generally predict and understand you views on subjects. But sometimes your hyperbole is too much, as it is now. Now, I don't know about the other services, but AFA the Army is concerned, there are a total of 7319 recruiters currently serving, according to the US Army Recruiting Command's website (http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/cmdgrp/map.htm). There were 35 recruiters cited, 0.0048% of the field. According to the forcible rape statistic released by the FBI (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/forcible_rape.html), 32.2 females per every 100,000 are subjected to forcible rape. So basically, a woman is 14 times MORE likely to be attacked by a civilian than by a recruiter (whose offenses would range from inappropriate touch up TO rape). Having been a detailed recruiter (who hated every minute of that job), believe me one of the top things stressed is to avoid recruiting improprieties, specifically what was known as "dipping a DEP" or fraternizing or having inappropriate contact with an enlistee, or anyone you tried to recruit. The punishments were fairly harsh, but humans being human, it still occurred. And the folks got punished.

So let's address the lowlife scum here in public and lower their rates of attacks before we go attacking the servicemembers.

In my career, I saw many shitheels; but overall I trust the population of the military much more than I do that of any local city or town in which I ever resided.

And, OT, did you read the LA Times story about torture by the 173rd in Viet Nam in '69? Very good article talking about the actions of the 172 MI Co., and the coverup by the brass.

When someone screws the pooch, I believe in dropping the hammer, as should of happened re the 173rd, and not have some damn coverup. But don't oversimplify and make blanket condemnations such as "the military is filled with scumbags." Right. And blacks are lazy and shiftless, Jews are penny pinching, and Asians are out to steal your jobs. Those blankets are simply wrong, and should be avoided.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 08:48 AM
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19. Here you go MIKEY--My experience-- Its no better today
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 08:55 AM by saigon68
THERE WAS A DRAFT BACK THEN SPORTY

TODAY THEY ARE SIMPLY SCRAPING THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL

http://members.aol.com/vetschoice/100-1.htm


Project 100,000:
Testimony and Report on the
Study of Vietnam War Era
Low Aptitude Military Recruits

Statement Of Dr Wayne S Sellman, Director For Accession Policy, Office Of The Asst SecDefense (Force Management And Personnel) Post-service Experiences Of Project 100,000

Vets Hearings Before The Subcommittee On Oversight And Investigations House Committee On Vets' Affairs 2-28-90


* * * *


In an 8-23-66 speech before the Vets of Foreign Wars, SecDefense Robert S Mcnamara declared: The poor of America have not had the opportunity to earn their fair share of this Nation's abundance, but they can be given an opportunity to serve in their Country's defense, and they can be given an opportunity to return to civilian life with skills and aptitudes which for them and their families will reverse the downward spiral of human decay.


* * * *


By that time, 354,000 L/A men had entered the Services under the program. Of these, 54% were volunteers and 46% were draftees. The men who entered under P/100000 were on average 20 years of age, about half came from the South, and a substantial proportion (about 41%) were minorities. The average reading ability of these men was at the 6th grade level with 13% reading below the 4th grade level.'

* * * *

Comparisons between P/100000 participants and their non-vet peers did not show the vets to have an advantage. They were not found to be better off economically, educationally, or socially than their non-vet counterparts. In fact, in most cases (e.g., employment status, income, amount of education and training; marital status) P/100000 vets were at a disadvantage.

AND THIS COMMENT FROM SALON

McNamara's "Moron Corps"

HBO's "Path to War" leaves out some of the most shameful brainstorms of the Vietnam War's masterminds -- including a little-known recruitment program that turned the mentally and physically deficient into cannon fodder.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/29/mcnamara/index.html


By 1966, President Johnson was fearful that calling up the reserves or abolishing student deferments would further inflame war protesters and signal all-out war. And so, even after McNamara began privately declaring the war was unwinnable, the defense secretary devised Project 100,000.

Under his direction, an alternative army was systematically recruited from the ranks of those who had previously been rejected for failing to meet the armed services' physical and mental requirements. Recruiters swept through urban ghettos and Southern rural back roads, even taking at least one youth with an I.Q. of 62. In all, 354,000 men were rolled up by Project 100,000. Touted as a Great Society program that would provide remedial education and an escape from poverty, the recruitment program offered a one-way ticket to Vietnam, where "the Moron Corps," as they were pathetically nicknamed by other soldiers, entered combat in disproportionate numbers.




OH AND I LOVE YOUR STRAW MAN QUOTE

When someone screws the pooch, I believe in dropping the hammer, as should of happened re the 173rd, and not have some damn coverup. But don't oversimplify and make blanket condemnations such as "the military is filled with scumbags." Right. And blacks are lazy and shiftless, Jews are penny pinching, and Asians are out to steal your jobs. Those blankets are simply wrong, and should be avoided.

LOL


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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:11 PM
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The military is about dominance
Mercifully, there are a couple of regular posters here who have had long military and combat experience and they dispel the politically correct screed that soldiers are truly noble and self-sacrificing sorts. Many are. Perhaps most are, but the fact remains: those who get into a profession based upon domination of others may not be all that nice. This is especially true in a volunteer situation; conscripts didn't choose that life.

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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:05 PM
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4. I might be one of those vets
This is not my Military this is a break down of the whole dam military. Tell you what give me and the vets in my org. 10 mins alone with these lowlifes. Sorry if that offend anyone but they need a good butt kicking and jail time
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:56 AM
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6. If it were up to me...
You and your fellow vets would get all the time you need to gently counsel these poor stray lambs in the errors of their ways.

In a locked room, if necessary.

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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:11 PM
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2. This is a clear sign that the military is breaking down . . .
Under the strain of idiot wars and grossly unfair multiple deployments. The high regard that the broad sweep of Americans hold the US military in is going to curdle quickly with this sort of publicity. And recruiting, already inadequate to meet needs, will sink any more.

There are smart generals and stupid generals and the stupid ones seem to be winning.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 10:20 PM
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3. front page article in today's LA Times sunday preview edition so
will probably be in the actual sunday paper tomorrow

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 11:55 PM
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5. I s'pose this is just one more display of unpatriotic bias by liberals nt
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unda cova brutha Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:21 AM
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7. perfect example of why we should ban the military
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:29 AM
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8. bad apple battalion marches on! n/t
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:19 AM
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9. k&r
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:24 AM
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10. It's time to exclude heterosexual males from the military.
They just bring down the tone of the whole system.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:35 AM
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11. Same old story
I almost joined the Air Force during VietNam trying to get to college. Probably would have had the recruiter not tried to get up my skirt right after my dad signed the papers. The recruiter thought it was a done deal until I reminded him that I hadn't signed yet.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:30 PM
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12. The most irksome thing about this is that in most cases
the offenders were demoted rather than charged.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:42 PM
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13. It's just a matter of time till they turn these guys on our daughters.
Stop them now.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:51 PM
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14. Link is broken
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:04 PM
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16. Great! Schools are now pandering actual sex targets for the military.
not just actual targets. why do we even allow them into our halls of learning? this enrages and sickens me.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 12:02 AM
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18. and the song said, "I'm proud to be an American, at least I know I'm free
to beat and rape the shit out of everybody for free."
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:08 AM
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20. That's the first test to be with the military, pretty girl
Be prepared, be ready.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:28 PM
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21. a 'casting couch' for the armed forces?
:puke:
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