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deadparrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:32 PM Original message |
US facing wave of murders and gun violence |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. "The top five states with the highest gun death rates are five states with |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Alaska? Wyoming? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Japan has no virtually no guns and virtually no gun crime |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 08:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Very different society. Finland and switzerland |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Ireland has virtually same laws as Japan and similar results |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. You must've missed something in "Bowling For Columbine" |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 07:20 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. nope |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:19 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. What other advanced nation has similar gun laws? |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. That's what Michael Moore was saying with his |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
85. It's the guns and the culture. |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 07:34 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. it's also a war that's draining our econ. resources while our schools, |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Yep. |
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SlavesandBulldozers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:04 AM Response to Reply #45 |
58. yep. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:03 AM Response to Reply #42 |
57. Well to argue your logic |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
67. Canada has lots of guns and very little gun crime. I think it's our |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
81. Canada has lots of LONG guns |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 07:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
90. good point |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 05:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
27. What's considered a "weak gun law"?? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
31. So are many in the bottom ten, Bill... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. True or false? The USA leads all high income nations in murder&gun crime? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 12:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. There are three entities in the 2nd Amentment |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. "one can argue the constitutionality of abortion" |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
79. Oops, error |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. Are these Brady bloated stats? |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. It sure is..... |
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Kutjara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. The same thing is happening in Britain. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. And to think Clinton had the lowest murder rate in large cities |
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Luna_Chick (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Yeah, good thing we got that there impeachment thing after him |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Most of these killings are taking place in the inner city |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. We can put up with a few more murders and increased gun violence.... |
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bronxiteforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. We ain't seen nothing yet! All law enforcement funds which |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
33. I hated that 100,000 officer program, cost a local town to end its police. |
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bronxiteforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. That is generally how federal grants to Law Enforcement work but your |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
8. AND |
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ribbit (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
9. Utter bullshit |
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thecrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Can you cite a source for your information? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 10:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Here's a story about her in the Herald |
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motocicleta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Thanks karynnj; I was starting to lose hope in DU |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Haven't heard the news? |
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The Sower (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Violent crime takes first big jump since '91 |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 07:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
56. meanwhile, in Canada |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 02:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
66. LMAO. Best post ever. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
83. Facts? Okay, start looking around a little |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. yer so cute |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 06:02 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Yeah, I have enchanting eyes |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 04:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. Sometimes it help to read the thread and responses |
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thecrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. NO answer? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 09:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. US homicide rate up 4.8 percent in 2005, says FBI (June 06) |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
10. "Violence is as American as cherry pie" |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
11. wave of murders and gun violence????????? |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 05:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Sure that's a big number if you consider the population of the US |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 05:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. 5% Increase in murder RATE - not 5% murdered |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. oops, my bad you're right |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 07:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Not 5% of the population |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
15. This is predictable. There is an upsurge of the age group that |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It's a lot more complicated than that. |
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Stargazer99 (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Number 19 has the many causes listed...if anyone is listening. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 05:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. don't forget that barbarianism has been made fashionable again |
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Jo March (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. yep - perhaps the murders are just "preemptive strikes" |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. Haven't looked into buying a gun lately, I see :) |
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MysteryToMyself (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
34. Don't Fall for the Republican Trick |
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WhiteTara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
35. I wonder if this is because of all the |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. How many 12-18 year old gang-bangers do you know... |
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theanarch (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. you're getting warm... |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. yep to all that, that's just it |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
41. As the middle class and poor get poorer, crime will arise. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
46. I wonder if any studies have been done comparing violence during wartime |
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eccles12 (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 08:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. It's not just violence and crime during wartime. It's when leaders show |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. They're promoting it to Declare Martial Law.. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. very interesting question |
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puffthemagicdragon (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-21-06 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
52. Seattle has had a bloody year so far |
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SlavesandBulldozers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. as has Orlando. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Indeed. I've stopped watching the local news |
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MysteryToMyself (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
61. No it isn't inner city |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
65. Link to the actual FBI statistics |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
68. Violence is as American as apple pie . . . and torture. (n/t) |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
69. Of course, this devolves immediately into a gun debate |
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MysteryToMyself (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You Are Soooo Right |
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MysteryToMyself (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I meant "If we give up our guns, only the Bushites & the DLC |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I concur. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
77. It's the economy |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
78. What do you expect when you have a government that advocates violence! |
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dreamsvsnightmares (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
84. They have been cooking the books on crime rates |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
87. This is the prequel to Martial Law. |
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Anakin Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-24-06 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
88. Freedom is on the March! |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Right into history... |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-25-06 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
94. very sad |
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