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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 07:49 PM Original message |
Amnesty urges UN to probe Israel strategy |
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ewoden (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. Can't we just probe Israel (hard) and not their strategy? |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Actually it should not be that difficult to figure out, Israel took their |
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MetaTrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Better yet, Israel's example gave Iran carte blanche |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. My prediction about this thread...there will be a whole bunch of people |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. War |
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ewoden (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. What in Sam Hill is "open war"? n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. WW1 , WW2 |
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ewoden (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 08:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Wait, so Iraq civilians are not being killed by the US as |
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Ragin_mad (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Since when is Iraq |
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PointAndLaugh (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 09:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I agree. |
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Flanker (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 11:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. It also shows your internal contradictions in apologizing for both conflic |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. And we hung a bunch of Germans and Japanese folks |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-22-06 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
10. Amnesty slams Israel 'war crimes' (BBC) |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
11. Not that I want a flame-fest |
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PointAndLaugh (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. It's really a given. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Welcome to DU. |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 05:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Agreed |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. Umm... |
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laststeamtrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
17. Amnesty report accuses Israel of war crimes (Guardian) |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. It's now a war crime to target infrastructure? |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Laws of War |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Yeah, I sat through the laws of war class in boot camp |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
68. Good point |
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CollegeDUer (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. According to treaties Israel is a party to, yes |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Which treaties? |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Since First Protocol to the Geneva Conventions in 1977, that's when |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. But the claim was about infrastructure, not civilians |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Military objectives |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. I'm with you there |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. You're missing the point - the objective has to out weigh deaths caused |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. OK, do you have a "human life" scale handy? |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. LOL Take it up with the UN. I'm not a wet stone |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. Ah, Stockholm linked the full report down the page |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I saw the post already, as well as the report |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. While I don't doubt that this might be true |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. If it looks like a goose, honks like a goose |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. This is a given. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. We all know Israel targeted civilian infrastructure like power plants |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. But legally almost no infrastructure is "civilian" in that sense |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Can you provide a source for that? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Sure |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. That is the DOD, not International law |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 11:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. That was from 1998 |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. To use the DOD from 1998, then, makes your post moot given the |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. WTF are you talking about? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Well, if, in your estimation, the US wasn't even a belligerent in this |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. You're really confusing me |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. LOL, seeing as you have totally overlooked commenting on |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I agree with her |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. There is International humanitarian law as per the UN |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Even though.... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. sigh |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Usual rhetoric |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. One thing |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Diving back in |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 11:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Israel was not at war with Lebanon |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. OK |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. They also targetted |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. OK |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Again, Israel was not at war with Lebanon |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. What a great idea |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. The 'right to exist' is universal for ALL peoples, nations, groups,...... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #24 |
42. In this particular context Israel had every right . . . |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Excuse me, but I said ALL people, nations, groups, etc......... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. I would disagree with your assertion that . . |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Then there is the question of 'WHO' started the war.......... |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and . . |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Sadly, committing war crimes is now "acceptable" if it is the |
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Stockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-23-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Link to full report |
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