SLC to issue permit for the 'Death to Israel' rally

[seriousstan]

Salt Lake City will allow local defense attorney Robert Breeze to hold a "Death to Israel" demonstration Wednesday despite concerns from the Jewish community.
The permit will be approved next week, after the city and Breeze finalize where the demonstration, one of several planned for that day, will be held. It will run from 9 a.m. to 11 p.m.
Breeze, 52, said his goal is to protest "the torture and murder inflicted on Muslims by Israel and the penetration of the U.S. media by Israeli intelligence."
While he said his group - the Center to Prevent Corporate Media Lying - has other members and financial donors, Breeze wouldn't name them. And he acknowledged some of his past protests against media coverage of the Iraq war that he held in front of the KSL studios included paid participants from the homeless shelter.
Some demonstrators Wednesday also may be paid.
"They're called 'vicarious protesters,' " he said.
When asked if he wants to see the elimination of Israel, Breeze said: "The President of Iran has an excellent idea. . . . I would like to see them move Israel to Virginia and put all the current Virginians in a concentration camp. Then we'll see how popular Israel is ."


http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_4242208

[w4rma]

1. This guy is a right-winger trying to stir up hatred against all sides.

I am willing to bet.

[seriousstan]

3. Of course, nobody could POSSIBLY hold these views for real.

I happen to know that MANY posters here that have expressed the same views over the past couple of months are all "right wing plants".

[w4rma]

6. He's paying homeless people to come to his astroturf "protest".

Even if he really believes what he says, there aren't apparently enough people who agree with him to show up, without being paid, at his little astroturf "protest".

[geek tragedy]

12. There are plenty of people on the left who

hate Israel (as opposed to simply condeming its policy vis a vis the Palestinians).

[w4rma]

13. Wtf is that supposed to mean?

There are plenty of conservatives who hate Israel (as opposed to simply condeming its policy vis a vis the Palestinians).

Its my experience that the folks on the left who are condeming its policy don't hate either side.

[geek tragedy]

15. Have you read the posts here?

Plenty of "Israel is the worst/most barbaric/Nazi-like country ever" stuff. Any discussion of Israel or even Jews in LBN or GD will have plenty of deleted comments.

What has happened is essentially that the Republicans have the hardcore, anti-Arab racist Likudnik LGF crowd, and we have the hardcore, "Israel is the great Satan" crowd.

[w4rma]

18. The KKK (or CCC) still hates Israel just as much as they always have.

Nothing has changed in that respect.

[geek tragedy]

20. Well, the Republicans keep those folks tightly

under wraps.

In the meantime, DU is a place where Mahmoud Ahadinejad and Nasrallah are praised and defended.

[w4rma]

23. You're naive. Those folks are *leading* the Republican Party.

They want to "Christianize" Israel. They want the Jews in Israel converted to their version of Christianity. They pretend to "support" Israel as a step in making Israel a "Christian" nation. Of course those Muslims need to be "Christianized", too.

[geek tragedy]

26. The plain fact is that you'll find a lot more defense

of anti-semitic creeps like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on a "left of center" site than you will on any site backing Bush.

We need to clean house.

[geek tragedy]

27. Case in point: Someone posted an article in I/P

by someone who calls Jews "Christ killers."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x146734

[iamjoy]

2. SLC Should Permit It

As vile as this man and his views are, being a Demcocracy that supports free speech means sometimes we will have to allow hate-filled buttheads to have their say too.

[noonwitch]

5. It's like Klan rallies-ignore them and maybe they'll shut up

Let them have their stupid rally and ignore them completely. But, no, we can't expect restraint like that from our media.

[seriousstan]

7. Funny, there are active efforts here to protest the nazis/klan rallies.

So I guess what your saying is, "we can't expect restraint like that from our media or ourselves".

[Phx_Dem]

4. quotes

When asked if he wants to see the elimination of Israel, Breeze said: "The President of Iran has an excellent idea. . . . I would like to see them move Israel to Virginia and put all the current Virginians in a concentration camp. Then we'll see how popular Israel is ."

"I've never really discriminated against anybody that is Jewish. It's not anti-Semitic to criticize Israel."


Where have I heard this before?? Hmmmmm.

[MrPrax]

8. Good for them...

It's funny...I hope they get a good turnout while protesting another odious US-client state up to no good.

[seriousstan]

9. Careful, w4rma will call you a right-wing plant.

[MrPrax]

11. hehe...

Yeah the Right really hates those US-client states...they were frontline in condemning Saddam, Pinochet, Suharto, Sukarno, Marcos, Mott, Batista, Shah, Sharon, ...oops ;-)

[w4rma]

14. If you think this BS is going to help whatever cause you support.

It won't.

[MrPrax]

17. What's BS

about supporting causes consistently and consistently coming down in favour of international law and those that break it.

The big danger is granting unconditional support to power while ignoring it's excesses...surely you are not against that are you?

[warrens]

10. I'll fedex some rocks to SLC if anyone needs them

What is this, the reemergence of the KKK and the John Birch Society? Death to ISRAEL? As anyone who reads my posts knows, I am REAL unhappy with the Likudniks who run the joint, but someone wants to wipe out an entire country?

I guess he has a right to free speech. I hope there will be many others out there exercising theirs.

[iverglas]

16. just a little point of clarification

(fixed typo)


Death to ISRAEL? As anyone who reads my posts knows, I am REAL unhappy with the Likudniks who run the joint, but someone wants to wipe out an entire country?

He is not saying "death to Israelis", let alone "death to Jews". No more than the Iranians who chanted "marg bar Amrika" 25 years ago (I recall little of my Farsi, but I can still say "I am your friend" and "death to America" ...) were advocating the killing of US citizens.

What it is being advocated be "wiped out" is a STATE. Israel is a state, just like all the other states in the world. The "death" -- end of existence -- of a STATE does NOT mean the death of the PEOPLE who live in its territory or hold its nationality. (It might mean the end of their collective existence, as "a people", but that's another matter again.)

It's that subtle little distinction that some people are able to make and others are apparently not able to hear. (I speak not of/to you, but generally, in case anyone hereabouts was unclear on the concept.)

[w4rma]

19. Death to Canada.

How would you respond to someone who believed that Canada should die (as a "state", of course. No double meanings, I promise. -wink, wink-)?

Enough with the parsing of words.

[iverglas]

21. I give up: what's your point?

What did I say about how anyone was responding or should respond to "Death to Israel"?

Hint: nothing.

I had a point, and I made it. If you have something to say about my point, feel quite free.


Uh oh.
http://www.barbwired.com/nadiaweb/nawl/archives/000179.html
In Oregon!

Then we drove to Crater Lake. ... There wasn't much to do, so I took pictures of the funny winter lake-viewing tube. The graffiti inside included the usual pick-up lines, some vegan propaganda, and "death to Canada".

Gasp.

What we usually do when faced with such silliness (O'Reilly and Buchanan come to mind) is laugh uproariously. But hey, somebody might be serious about it someday, y'never know, and have actual cause for complaint. Then I guess we'd have to try to figure out what their problem was. I can imagine someone having a problem with Canada that might result in their saying that sort of thing. Some people in Afghanistan might be tending that way; some First Nations people have said words tantamount to that. With pretty good reason.

So ... what was your point?

[w4rma]

25. "Death to Israel/Canada" is bad. (nt)

[iverglas]

28. Roller skates are good

There. You have an opinion, so do I. Wasn't that fun?

[Charlie Brown]

22. I hate the message

but they have every right to say it. I'm not sure why we need "permits" to conduct a demonstration, but SLC has an obligation to recognize free-speech.

I only hope a counter-rally will show up and shout them down.

[w4rma]

24. Agreed. (nt)