Mohammed cartoons 'sparked bomb plot'

[ECH1969]

THE publication of caricatures depicting the Prophet Mohammed was the trigger for a failed attempt to bomb passenger trains in Germany, police have concluded.

One of the main suspects, Youssef Mohammed el Hajdib, who was arrested in Germany on August 16, "interpreted (the cartoons) as an insult to Islam by the western world,'' Joerg Ziercke, the director of Germany's federal police, told Focus magazine in an interview to be published on Monday.

He and the other main suspect in the failed plot, Jihad Hamad, who was arrested in Lebanon on August 24, were also influenced by the killing of the al-Qaeda leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in June, the police chief said.

El Hajdib and Hamad are suspected of having hidden bombs in suitcases on two regional trains in Germany. In all five men have been arrested as part of the investigation, three in Lebanon and two in Germany.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,20343178-950,00.html

[IntravenousDemilo]

1. The Muslim world wants to get over itself.

Some people are just altogether too touchy about their psychosis. And that's what any religion is, a psychosis.

[CollegeDUer]

10. Aren't you on a high horse here?

You're judging the actions of 1/100 of 1 percent of the muslim world really and extrapolating those upon all muslims, saying they are in "psychosis"; a philosophical flunk you are.

[geek tragedy]

22. The absurd overreaction to those cartoons

involved virtually every Muslim government on the planet.

The entire controversy was driven by repressive Muslim governments who wanted to give the Muslim world their own version of the Jon Benet Ramsey story.

[treestar]

29. Governments, not Muslims

Sometimes I seriously think all we need to do is get the ordinary people on both sides in touch. Bypass the leaders. With the internet and translators - plenty of people know both languages. I would be willing to be they would say they are sick of it all, too.

We need to let the power-mad freaks from both cultures beat each other to death on some sort of reality show.

[IntravenousDemilo]

28. Yes, a lofty, beautiful, sensible, non-psychotic horse.

Not just all Islam is psychosis, but also Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism -- anything that espouses belief in the arbitrary authority of unseen, scientifically undetectable, and apparently vicious beings.

And when people use this belief to try to justify abominable behaviour that fucks up the world in general and me in particular, then the believers and belief are both suspect, and both should be ridiculed forcefully whenever and wherever possible.

[greccogirl]

38. They aren't going

to get over themselves. They're nuts.

[etherealtruth]

2. Those inclined to carry out such actions ...

... Don't require a rational reason for their behavior.

[OKthatsIT]

31. SO MANY AMERICANS ARE BLIND to media psyops

Don't you read?

It said 'suspected'...they don't have any evidence on these guys either.

READ IT AGAIN.

[Art_from_Ark]

39. Exactly

Words like "suspected" and "alleged" are all too often ignored, or misinterpreted as "convicted".

[etherealtruth]

44. Wow, you are rude

My point was a larger one, not contingent upon the intent or actions of these people.

Some people are so wholly unstable that they look for a reason to lash out at any perceived disagreement, slight or affront to them or their beliefs (this is apparently not lost on you). People like this have been with us since humans have displayed aberrant behavior ... it is not associated with a particular religion or ethnicity.

"SO MANY AMERICANS ARE BLIND to media psyops," ... this was a small story printed in a Perth paper. I certainly believe the media is complicit with governments in attempting to vilify and dehumanize our "enemies" (read the Islamic world) ... I also believe they do a far better job than a small blurb, quoting a solitary policeman.

[INDIA]

3. Cavemen

with total contempt for the modern world. Disgusting.

[kamtsa]

4. Barbarians at the Gate!

[geek tragedy]

5. If you can't tolerate people making inflammatory comments

about your religion, you should get the fuck out of free societies like those in Europe.

If what this article says is true, these two were terrorists just looking for an excuse. Moderate people don't become terrorists because of a cartoon or because a terrorist like Zarqawi gets what's coming to him.

[Yupster]

36. Or you could work to change

your new European home to become part of the Dar Es Salaam. Then there will be true peace.

[seriousstan]

6. Bomb this .........BIATCH

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[CollegeDUer]

14. Bomb this "biatch": the McWorld vs Jihad

You're the McWorld vs Jihad prescribed by the famous political scientist. One of two fanatical fundamentalist sides.

[geek tragedy]

24. So, posting CARTOONS at DU is the same thing

as engaging in acts of violence?

[Sam Odom]

25. If it were JEEEEESUS

would you be so protective?

[Yupster]

37. The Muslim world has been

running insulting pictures of Christianity and Judaism since this controversy and it's drawn a big yawn from the Jewish and Christian world.

Right now in Teheran there's a special Holocaust art display to get even for these cartoons of the prophet. No one cares.

[Sam Odom]

43. Yep Yep Yep

1st off I'm an agnostic. What is so strange to me about *some* people on DU is they can laugh and poke fun at 'Jesus Christ' and the christian fundamentalists all day long and twice on Sunday BUT let someone 'disrespect' Islam or Mohammad they go hysterical and demand respect for someone's (Islamic) belief.

[951-Riverside]

17. Riiiiiight by showing these pictures somehow he hates all muslims

Give me a freaking break. :eyes:

Thanks for posting that seriousstan, I'm sure if you posted pics of God no one would be offended so that tells you they hold this bearded dude in higher regards than God (Allāh) itself.

[CBGLuthier]

7. Did I click on Free Republic by mistake? nt

[dionysus]

9. you might have the way ppl are responding

:(

[TroglodyteScholar]

11. "bomb this, bitch" may have been a bit harsh...

but SERIOUSLY, these muslims who want to kill people who draw pictures....they really need to accept that not eveyone thinks the way they do.

it's not just a problem in muslims, it's a problem shared by fundies of all stripes. you're not going to kill someone into sharing your beliefs, regardless of what those might be

the main thing is....lighten the fuck up! it's TWO THOUSAND AND SIX, not fourteen hundred and six. people will say and do things that offend you. GET OVER IT. the rest of us manage to!

[CollegeDUer]

13. That attitude is not going to convince the fundies

GET OVER IT is not going to work on these people; it's going to enflame more. Why do you think it was the poor Arabs in these pockets of countries so upset about the cartoons? Where was the Arab middle class and elite? What else do these people have? Such comments aren't going to take us anywhere.

[seriousstan]

15. Defend the killing over cartoons all you want.

[CollegeDUer]

16. So now you try to patiently analyze somethign

and come up with a just solution and you call it " the killing over the cartoons"

How is this any better than bush apologists calling anti-bush criticism "empowering the enemy" -- or "siding with the terrorists"?

[951-Riverside]

19. Re: How is this any better than....

Well its better because its true, on the other hand criticizing the president is what being a free American is all about and anyone who tries to stifle or prevent criticism of the president does not represent freedom, democracy or America. In my opinion they should move to China, Saudi Arabia or even North Korea.

[The Magistrate]

27. 'Just Solution' To What, Sir?

There is no "just solution" to persons willing to kill over their religiousity, when persons who are not adherents to their religion violate some of its practices, or treat with a lack of reverence, save perhaps the jailing by secular authority of those so poisoned by their religiousity as to be willing to respond in such a manner to irreverence by non-believers.

[geek tragedy]

20. Uh, these dudes were from Germany.

As I've said, anyone willing to commit violence over a freaking cartoon wasn't all there to begin with.

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[geek tragedy]

23. Care to back that personal insult up with some actual

logic or facts?

Are you seriously going to disagree with the statement that "people driven to violence by a cartoon don't have all their marbles to begin with?"

Or is expecting non-violence in the face of a CARTOON what you consider Orientalism?

[Taoschick]

32. You can't

Reason with someone who believes you have no right to draw a cartoon they find offensive. All you can do is prevent them from trying to force you to adhere to the tenets of their faith. They're not going to suddenly give up the explosives and put down the swords just because you're trying to reason with them. They really don't care about your "rights".

[brentspeak]

34. The 9/11 hijackers were all from middle-class families

They weren't products of a deprived upbringing. I'm not so sure that Islamic terror can be neatly connected to socio-economic factors.

[cigsandcoffee]

40. I should change because they're inflamed?

Fuck that. They can stuff the fundamentalism where the sun doesn't shine. If I'm not going to take that from Christians, why should I accept it from Muslims?

[TankLV]

45. Fuck these "pooooor arabs". Stupid behavior is stupid behavior.

This is the 21st century, not the dark ages.

THEY - these muslim idiots - have a problem with the rest of the world - THEY need to "get over it" - and fast.

It's a cartoon - not everyone believes as they do - thank god.

Their belief system is seriously fucked-up - especially since you and others continually point out that these crazy wacko fanatics are not representative of the religion as a whole.

Either they are or they aren't - which is it?

WE don't tolerate idiot so-called "christians" - WE'RE not about to give a pass to idiotic muslims assholes either.

[geek tragedy]

46. I'm assuming you mean these two particular idiots, instead

of Muslims in general. Right?

[MrPrax]

33. No shit...

Racist bigotry dressed up as a 'free speech' arg...no wonder the US is fucked up if this is suppose to be the 'democratic' part...

Morans...

[CJCRANE]

18. Is this a Murdoch rag?

All I see is some quotes from a police officer about several people who haven't been tried yet.

[CJCRANE]

26. Guys

this article is based on the hearsay of one German police officer. Even if he's the top guy, experience from the "terrorist" shootings in London show that police public statements aren't always accurate.

[NOLADEM]

30. Sorry, but having invisible friends is stupid...

And killing for them is psychotic.

Religion is the appendix of society. Government and Science have stolen its role, and it is infecting society attempting to protect itself as it dies.

And just to be clear....
Spirituality good. Religion bad.

[Igel]

35. Love it.

"How dare you say my Muhammed was a bomb throwing loony or condones violence.

"Why, my convictions resulting from Muhammed's teaching now require that I punish you by throwing bombs and engaging in violence."

Self-parody, to a nearly impossible extent. This guy mocks and defames his god more than any cartoon possibly could.

[cigsandcoffee]

42. He also validates the cartoon.

Madly enough.

[cigsandcoffee]

41. This doesn't surprise me at all.

If embassies were burned in the wake of those cartoons, a bombing isn't all that hard to fathom.