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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 08:17 PM
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2 Ordered Not to Discuss Gitmo Claims
A paralegal and a military lawyer who brought forward allegations about prisoner abuse at the Guantanamo Bay detention center have been ordered not to speak with the press, lawyers and a military spokeswoman said Saturday.

Marine Lt. Col. Colby Vokey, who represents a detainee at the U.S. naval base in eastern Cuba, filed a complaint with the Pentagon last week alleging that abuse was ongoing at the prison. He attached a sworn statement from his paralegal, Sgt. Heather Cerveny, in which she said several Guantanamo guards bragged in a bar about beating detainees, describing it as common practice.

Muneer Ahmad, a civilian defense lawyer for Omar Khadr, a Canadian detainee whose military counsel is Vokey, said that Vokey and Cerveny were ordered Friday by the U.S. Marines not to speak with the press.

A spokeswoman for the Marines confirmed the order, saying Vokey's supervisor - Col. Carol Joyce, the Marines' chief defense counsel - had directed him not to communicate with the media ``pending her review of the facts.''

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6148134,00.html
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 09:39 PM
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1. Kicked as hard as I can. nt
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 09:44 PM
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2. I hope this, together with the recent Red Cross interviews gets
the Bush Crime Family in handcuffs.
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 10:23 PM
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3. "she said several Guantanamo guards
bragged in a bar about beating detainees" history just keeps repeating itself.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 10:24 PM
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4. i feel disgrace to call myself American..i will not longer say that when
traveling..i will just say..i am from the USA..i will not say "i am American." as i no longer have any pride in that!

what an utter disgrace!

this is not the country i grew up in and raised my son in..this is dispicable!

Fuck little lord pissy pants and his torturers!

fuck them all to hell!

flt
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 10:30 PM
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5. I'd fuckin speak anyway, tie to stop following their 'law'
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:51 PM
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6. They have to speak up! They know it's wrong.
Why follow the orders of military bureaucrats who are covering their own asses or worried about their promotions?

These Marines need to find their integrity and strength and tell the truth. Only then will they return honor to the Marines. The Marines have been screwing up VERY badly and need to show the country they have people with integrity among their ranks.
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sfwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:54 PM
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7. Kickity Kick Kick eom
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:29 AM
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8. an admission of guilt if ya asks me
their 'review of the facts' will, no doubt, be a whitewash.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:31 AM
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9. Khadr lawyer under U.S. military gag order after abuse allegations
Khadr lawyer under U.S. military gag order after abuse allegations
Last Updated: Saturday, October 14, 2006 | 11:24 PM ET
The Canadian Press

The U.S. military lawyer who represents Canadian Omar Khadr says he's been ordered not to speak to the media after his accusations of abuse at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp in Cuba.

"I'm not allowed to speak to anyone concerning the military commissions," Lt.-Col. Colby Vokey said in a telephone interview Saturday.

Asked who issued the gag order, Vokey said, "I can't even tell you that."

Vokey filed a military complaint about abuse last week. He attached a sworn statement from his paralegal, Sgt. Heather Cerveny, that said she talked to several Guantanamo guards who bragged about beating detainees.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/14/khadr-lawyer.html

US Marine Sgt. Discloses New Gitmo Abuse
The freed prisoners’ comments come as a US Marine Sergeant has come forward with new allegations of abuse at Guantanamo Bay. In an interview with ABC News, Marine Corps Sergeant Heather Cerveny said she was told of the abuse over drinks with several of the soldiers who carried it out. Sgt. Cerveny said one sailor recounted taking a prisoner by the head and smashing him into a cell door. Another said he punched a prisoner in the face because the prisoner irritated him. Sgt. Cerveny said the soldiers laughed when she asked them about the consequences of the abuse.The Pentagon says it’s investigating.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/13/1359211
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:37 AM
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10. Surprising info. at the end of the article:
Guantanamo Bay began receiving prisoners, most of them captured in Afghanistan and Pakistan, in January 2002. Only 10 of the detainees have been charged with crimes.
How does that make you feel, knowing how many people have been thrown in there to rot for years?

Depraved, degenerate, decaying filth occupying the top positions in this bogus administration. What a colossal tragedy.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:29 AM
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11. Some day, after we restore our right to vote and get our country back,
we really must create a special medal for these military lawyers who have spoken up, and taken action, against the Bushites' vilest of crimes-- torture, suspension of habeas corpus, indefinite detention, rendition, and other violations of the Geneva Conventions and the UCMJ.

The lawyers in this case managed to get the word out before they were gagged. What heroes they are! All of the military lawyers who have stood up to the Bushites have had a lot to lose--including losing their entire careers, hope of advancement, favorable assignments, pensions, and friends, and suffering other kinds of retaliation. Anyone who tries to defend the humanity and rights of these poor prisoners is at great risk. Capt. James Yee, for instance, a Muslim chaplain at Guantanamo, was mercilessly harassed with false charges and driven out of the Air Force.

And it does make you wonder WHY. Most of the men being tortured and held for years without charge (--after nightmare flights around the world, wherein they are hooded and tied up, and no doubt beaten and abused) are innocent, in many cases mere bystanders or boy soldiers in general roundups that make little sense. Same at Abu Ghraib--mostly innocents. And then there are the renditions, the secret CIA flights, and the torture dungeons in eastern Europe. So what is all this horror FOR? Is it merely a reflection of the sadism and sickness that is so evident in Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld? Or is it cover for something? I tend to see the Bushites as having two motives: a) greed, and attendant lust for power primarily connected to greed ; and b) covering up the heinous crimes they have committed in service to their greed and their attendant lust for power. So...I think the whole torture/imprisonment scene is cover for snuffing witnesses to Bushite crimes, and for finding out who knows what, in order to send death squads out to cover their tracks (--the Bushite money trail to Al Qaeda, Bushite connections to 9/11, Cheney arms dealings, especially nuclear and bio-weapons proliferation, Bushite connections to Saddam, their foiled effort to plant WMDs in Iraq, and whatever they may be doing now, or have done, to manufacture war with Iran, etc.)

The torture and imprisonment make little sense otherwise. Nothing they've done has more alienated the world, and turned them into pariahs in every sphere. They have literally made themselves "radioactive" in the diplomatic world by this unnecessary brutality. Military and intelligence professionals universally DISCOUNT information gained by torture, and believe torture to be highly counter-productive. So WHY have they done it, and on such a large scale, and with such blatant disregard of the law and their own standing in the world? I'd be willing to believe sadism--pleasure at the pain of others--of this gang of psychos. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that they view their torture and snuff videos from Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and points east for entertainment. These are men who have slaughtered over half a million people, according to the latest count, without a thought, and with not even the slightest justification. And who don't care. Who laugh it off. I saw the photo posted here yesterday of Bush and Rumsfeld sharing a joke and laughing their heads off at Arlington National Cemetery. There is something vile at work there. But I tend to think that especially Cheney and Rumsfeld are more calculating, and are driven by insatiable greed and desire for the power to steal on a massive scale, and get away with it--and that their widespread use of torture and detention is connected to these other crimes.

That's the thing that makes the most sense to me, about the torture and detention. I DON'T think it's racism. They hang out with Prince Bandar and their other good buds in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. The racism of it (torturing Arabs and Muslims in some sort of vengeance for 9/11) is attempted manipulation of the peons (us citizens) and the cannon fodder. And I've heard this racism from both stupid citizens and cannon fodder (a couple of instances; I don't think it's widespread). And it was evident in the Abu Ghraib torture photos. Fascists ALWAYS try to stir up these kinds of hatreds. It's their modus operandi. But--with the exception of Hitler--the targeted group has more to do with convenient scapegoats, or money, than it does with any racial vendetta of the powermongers. And that is particularly true of the Bushites. It was Saudis who bailed out Bush Jr.'s failed oil company. It was the Bush Cartel that funded Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The Bushites might hate Persians, though, because of the Bush Saudi connections. (The Persians--Iranians--are not fond of Arabs, and vice versa.) (I was just reading a thing the other day in which a Persian linguist was still pissed off that Parsi--the name of the Persian language--had been Arabized into Farsi. That happened about a thousand years ago, I think--and they're still nettled by it!) This Arab-Iranian tension, however, did not stop the Bushites (back when they were Reaganites) from selling arms to Iran to fund the death squads in Nicaragua. As I said, MONEY rules. Money and the power to get lots of it.

That leaves cover up. Snuffing witnesses. And torturing for information on their own criminal exposure. And they throw in a bunch of innocents to cover THAT up--who their real targets are, and what they are detaining them, and torturing and killing them, FOR. And it is why they have been so obdurate about it. They CAN'T let it be investigated. They CAN'T let the Red Cross have access to certain prisoners. They CAN'T have real trials. It's all too dirty.

And I don't think even young children would believe their line that they're torturing people "to keep us safe." Something else is going on. Something so bad that they had to bludgeon their Bushite Congress into legalizing it retroactively, at great political risk to the Republican Party.

I think a lot about those innocents, and even the not-so-innocent. Hogtied and whipped. Beaten. Waterboarded. Lonely, disoriented, gone mad. Screaming in pain. Lost in hopeless depression. Dead, in anonymous graves.

There was a song in the '60s that comes back to me, because I associate it with a dear friend whom I lost, who died by violence. "Guantanamara." A sweet little song. A lovely tune. It seems that all our hopes and dreams for our country--for peace, for justice, for fairness--are wrapped up in that song. And whenever I hear it now, I can only think of Guantanmo Bay and the horrors that have occurred there in our name. It tears at my soul.

I am deeply grateful to the military lawyers who have fought against this horror, and this degradation of our country, and I hope that we will one day be able to honor them, formally, for their amazing moral courage.

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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:07 PM
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12. Vokey previously had the military's authorization to speak
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Cerveny, reached by telephone late Saturday, said she disagreed with the order but also would abide it. She declined to comment further.

Pentagon spokesman Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon said it was "common practice" for members of the military to avoid public discussion of matters under investigation. Gordon, during a phone interview on Sunday, referred further queries to the U.S. Marines.

Ahmad said Vokey was also barred from talking to the media about anything related to the military commissions _ tribunals set up to try detainees. He said he did not know how the order was issued and that Vokey previously had the military's authorization to speak with the media.

"I think he is very concerned about his ability to perform his job as a lawyer," Ahmad said. "It's really quite troubling ... at this point I'm not sure what our next steps will be."

http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.66723.html
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:30 PM
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14. The Marines had previously and openly encouraged their own to speak out
...just not too loudly!

I can understand a gag order during a trial, but to gag before the trial and after you've encouraged openness is pretty telling. Enough to make you gag.

Newsprism
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:51 PM
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13. kick
:kick:
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:34 PM
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15. This needs to be kicked to the top!
Marine Lt. Col. Colby Vokey will probably be toast before this is over. We need to keep the noise up to encourage others to come forward, yet how can we protect them? Military rules are very strict...they can be passed over and out in a heart beat.
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