Saddam: Kurds dividing Iraq for Israeli benefit

[ECH1969]

Saddam Hussein on Tuesday attacked prosecution witnesses in his trial for genocide against the Kurds, accusing them of sowing division among Iraqis for the benefit of Israel.

The deposed leader addressed the court after two Kurds testified that during a military offensive in northern Iraq in 1988, they were detained in a camp where conditions were so bad that hundreds of prisoners died of malnutrition.

"This will only serve the separation," Saddam said, referring to the deepening division among Iraqis as shown by the rising death toll in the insurgency and sectarian fighting.

"The Zionists are the only ones who will benefit from the differences among Iraqis," Saddam added.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3316173,00.html

[Poll_Blind]

1. Interestingly, the BBC uncovered Israelis training of Kurdish forces.

BBC: Israelis 'train Kurdish forces'

:shrug:

  The Israelis were probably doing it to...uh...hey, why were the Israelis training the Kurds?

PB

[ECH1969]

2. hmmmmm

[jody]

3. Why? For an oil pipeline from Mosul to Haifa. n/t

[wholetruth00]

5. The Israeli influence among Kurds was discussed in 2002 before

Iraqi invasion. I will try to find the links but the information indicated that Israeli Mossad and IDF were already in Iraq Kurdish territory about 18 months before the US invaded. It was even alleged that they were there to plant WMDs for the coalition forces to find.

[jody]

6. Kurdish connection with the Jewish People

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Connection with the Jewish People

There also appear to be some links to northern Semitic peoples such as the Syrians and possibly ancient Hebrews, but fewer links to southern Semites in the Arabian peninsula in-spite of the region having been conquered very early by Muslim Arabs. The recent genetic research suggests a possible ancient bond between Jews and Kurds as well. In 2001, a team of scientists discovered that three Jewish communities of Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Kurdish Jews surprisingly shared more haplotypes and chromosomes with Muslim Kurds than with either Palestinians or Bedouins.<4>

In 2001, Nebel et al compared three Jewish and three non-Jewish groups from the Middle East: Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and Kurdish Jews from Israel; Muslim Arabs from Israel and the Palestinian Authority Area; Bedouin from the Negev; and Muslim Kurds. They concluded that Sephardim and Kurdish Jews were genetically indistinguishable, but that both were slightly significantly different from Ashkenazim (who were most closely related to the Muslim Kurds). Nebel et al had earlier (2000) found a large genetic relationship between Jews and Palestinians, but in this study found an even higher relationship of Jews with Iraqi Kurds. They conclude that the common genetic background shared by Jews and other Middle Eastern groups predates the division of Middle Easterners into different ethnic groups<5>.

Interestingly, Nebel et al (2001) also found that the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), considered the most definitive Jewish haplotype, was found among 10.1% of Kurdish Jews, 7.6% of Ashkenazim, 6.4% of Sephardim, 2.1% of Palestianian Arabs, and 1.1% of Muslim Kurds. The CMH and the most frequent Muslim Kurdish haplotype (MKH) were the same on five markers (out of six) and very close on the other marker. The MKH was shared by 9.5% of Muslim Kurds, 2.6% of Sephardim, 2.0% of Kurdish Jews, 1.4% of Palestinian Arabs, and 1.3% of Ashkenazim. The general conclusion is that these similarities result mostly from the sharing of ancient genetic patterns, and not from more recent admixture between the groups (p. 1099). Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman has suggested that the CMH is “likely the marker of the Jews’ and Arabs’ shared Patriarch, Abraham” (2004: 20), but much more analysis is needed on the CMH in populations throughout the world. In this study, Kurdish Jews were found to be close to Muslim Kurds, but so were Ashkenazim and Sephardim, suggesting that much if not most of the genetic similarity between Jewish and Muslim Kurds is from ancient times <6>.
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[wholetruth00]

10. Bottom line seems to be that the Jews of the Bible (Hebrews)

are more closely linked to Palestinians than the Jews who migrated to and now inhabit Israel post 1948.

[Lurking Dem]

12. Since the majority of Israeli Jews

are Sephardic, I think you would be hard put to tell them apart even today.

[jody]

24. Which group Ashkenazi or Sephardic dominate Israel's government? n/t

[Lurking Dem]

26. 50-50

in the Cabinet. I don't know about the general Knesset make up.

[geek tragedy]

4. Shocking that he's trying to blame the evil Jooos.

Because he was sooooo good to the Kurds when he was president. :sarcasm:

[Yupster]

8. Yes after careful thought

and much deliberation, Saddam finally came to the troubling conclusion that it was the fault of ......... the Jews.

Who would have thunk it?

[TheFarseer]

7. That makes sense

wait, no it doesn't!

[geek tragedy]

9. Maybe Saddam is trying the Chewbacca Defense. eom

[TheFarseer]

21. LOL

Wookies don't live on Endor!

[geek tragedy]

23. It just doesn't make sense! eom

[coalition_unwilling]

11. Seymour Hersh reported Ksraeli Special Ops forces in Iraqi

Kurdish areas, perhaps prepping for assault on Iran.

It's really something when Saddam tells the truth more than our own government. Whatever . . .

[geek tragedy]

14. You can't be serious. You think the Kurds want their own state

because they're being manipulated by Jews?

[coalition_unwilling]

27. Not at all. Did not mean to suggest that and apologize if I gave

that impression. I have read elsewhere (can't remember where right now) thatthe general anti-semitism and anti-Israeli sentiment that pervades o much of the Middle East is apparently far less severe among the Kurds.

If I remember Hersh, et. al. correctly, Israeli-Kurd cooperation is a marriage of convenience for both sides. Israel seeks access to real-time local intelligence on Iran, while Kurds seek ties with Israel as part of a bid for greater national autonomy.

On balance, however, I would have to say that Hussein's analysis of events is far more astute and accurate than that of the BFEE. While I do not believe that Kurds are slavishly serving Israeli interests (or being manipulated by agents of Israeli intelligence), I do believe that a divided Iraq serves Israeli interests (whether you believe those interests justified or not).

[geek tragedy]

28. Your understanding matches mine.

Ironically, Israel also gets along fairly well (by Mideast standards) with Turkey.

[davidinalameda]

13. Saddam has something in common with some posters on here

blame the Jews for everything!!!!

[sabra]

15. We should ask Mel Gibson what he thinks

:-)

[Behind the Aegis]

16. ....

:rofl:

You're bad! :evilgrin:

[Name removed]

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[Behind the Aegis]

19. Nope.

[geek tragedy]

20. Do you?

I'm assuming the answer is "no."

[truthisfreedom]

17. weird how he's allowed to get his message out, yet Kerry is rarely heard

on the mainstream news. interesting.

[davidinalameda]

25. huh?

I'm really confused

what does the MSM ignoring Kerry have anything to do with what they report on Saddam

everything Bush says is reported; hell, Bill Clinton is pretty much in the news every day as well

[sugapablo]

22. That's right! It's the JEWS fault!

When in doubt, blame the Jews. :)

[Jacobin]

29. Because, of course, it never is

right?

[Behind the Aegis]

30. you have a point?

:shrug:

[Josh]

31. That's right -

it's never the fault of an entire class or race or religion or cultural group of people, fuckface.

It is NEVER the fault of 'The Jews' or 'The Christians' or 'The Muslims' or whatever.

Implying that ANYTHING could EVER be the fault of an entire group of people in the way you have suggested is pure idiocy.

Fuck it's hard to be Jewish and stand some of the shit that goes on here sometimes.