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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:36 PM
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WP,pg1: Bush Sets Defense As Space Priority (weapons in space?)
Bush Sets Defense As Space Priority
U.S. Says Shift Is Not A Step Toward Arms; Experts Say It Could Be
By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 18, 2006; Page A01

President Bush has signed a new National Space Policy that rejects future arms-control agreements that might limit U.S. flexibility in space and asserts a right to deny access to space to anyone "hostile to U.S. interests."

The document, the first full revision of overall space policy in 10 years, emphasizes security issues, encourages private enterprise in space, and characterizes the role of U.S. space diplomacy largely in terms of persuading other nations to support U.S. policy....

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National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said in written comments that an update was needed to "reflect the fact that space has become an even more important component of U.S. economic, national and homeland security." The military has become increasingly dependent on satellite communication and navigation, as have providers of cellphones, personal navigation devices and even ATMs.

The administration said the policy revisions are not a prelude to introducing weapons systems into Earth orbit. "This policy is not about developing or deploying weapons in space. Period," said a senior administration official who was not authorized to speak on the record.

Nevertheless, Michael Krepon, co-founder of the Henry L. Stimson Center, a nonpartisan think tank that follows the space-weaponry issue, said the policy changes will reinforce international suspicions that the United States may seek to develop, test and deploy space weapons. The concerns are amplified, he said, by the administration's refusal to enter negotiations or even less formal discussions on the subject....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/17/AR2006101701484.html
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:38 PM
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1. But of course. Why bother exploring the unknown...
...when you can blow the crap out of it instead?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:38 PM
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2. When he is dictator of all earth, he will need a new boogeyman.
Martians! They're coming! Landrover made them mad!
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:45 PM
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4. I find myself praying for them to come and save us
from OURSELVES !! Maybe they could take shrub and a few others back with them !!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:47 AM
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7. I certainly did, but have lost faith.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 10:40 PM
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3. It's way past time to put maggot-boy in a straight jacket...
He's clearly nuts, and is a threat to all of us.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:51 AM
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5. The War President Conquers The Galaxy
First Iraq, then to Infinity and Beyond.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:57 AM
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6. it's funny that he thinks his idiot policy will be carried forward
once he's gone that will all get fixed, maybe even sooner once he's fully lame
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:48 AM
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8. There is nothing that Bush & his minions won't try to corrupt.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 06:59 AM
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9. "Freedom of action in space...." Freedom is everywhere!

......Bush Sets Defense As Space Priority
U.S. Says Shift Is Not A Step Toward Arms; Experts Say It Could Be

By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 18, 2006; Page A01

President Bush has signed a new National Space Policy that rejects future arms-control agreements that might limit U.S. flexibility in space and asserts a right to deny access to space to anyone "hostile to U.S. interests."

The document, the first full revision of overall space policy in 10 years, emphasizes security issues, encourages private enterprise in space, and characterizes the role of U.S. space diplomacy largely in terms of persuading other nations to support U.S. policy.



"Freedom of action in space is as important to the United States as air power and sea power," the policy asserts in its introduction.

National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said in written comments that an update was needed to "reflect the fact that space has become an even more important component of U.S. economic, national and homeland security." The military has become increasingly dependent on satellite communication and navigation, as have providers of cellphones, personal navigation devices and even ATMs.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:01 AM
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10. they contrast with Clinton space policy:



.....The administration said the policy revisions are not a prelude to introducing weapons systems into Earth orbit. "This policy is not about developing or deploying weapons in space. Period," said a senior administration official who was not authorized to speak on the record.

Nevertheless, Michael Krepon, co-founder of the Henry L. Stimson Center, a nonpartisan think tank that follows the space-weaponry issue, said the policy changes will reinforce international suspicions that the United States may seek to develop, test and deploy space weapons. The concerns are amplified, he said, by the administration's refusal to enter negotiations or even less formal discussions on the subject.

"The Clinton policy opened the door to developing space weapons, but that administration never did anything about it," Krepon said. "The Bush policy now goes further."
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:13 AM
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11. Even more important to take the House AND Senate - donate now
Let's help take those seats that now have a chance but need more ads to push over the top. recommended
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:50 PM
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12. Here's a 5th recommendation. (no text)
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:31 PM
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13. PNAC .....
gonna post this in ever one of these threads that come up on this ..... "CONTROL THE NEW INTERNATIONAL COMONS OF SPACE AND CYBERSPACE" and pave the way for the creation of a new millitary service - U.S. Space Forces - with the mission of space control. (page V of the Rebuilding Americas Defenses a PNAC document from 2000) link here http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

more on page 51 and pages 54 thru 57. Peace. :)
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:37 PM
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14. He can't find Osama on the ground...Does he expect to find him from space?
How is he going to "deny access to space to anyone hostile to U.S. interests'" when he can't even find or stop a land-based terrorist?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:42 PM
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15. kick
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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16. Bush Asserts U.S. Rights In Space
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 12:41 PM by tandot
AP) President Bush has signed an order asserting the United States' right to deny adversaries access to space for hostile purposes.

Mr. Bush also said the United States would oppose the development of treaties or other restrictions that seek to prohibit or limit U.S. access to or use of space.

The provisions were contained in the first revision of U.S. space policy in nearly 10 years. Mr. Bush's order, signed more than a month ago, was not publicly announced, although unclassified details of his decision were posted on the Web site of the Office of Science and Technology Policy.

<snip>

"Consistent with this policy, the United States will: preserve its rights, capabilities, and freedom of action in space; dissuade or deter others from either impeding those rights or developing capabilities intended to do so; take those actions necessary to protect its space capabilities; respond to interference; and deny, if necessary, adversaries the use of space capabilities hostile to U.S. national interests."

more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/18/politics/main2101763.shtml

--------------------

Say hi to King George, King of the World and the Universe


edit to add one more paragraph
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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17. This is hilarious
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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18. Unfuckingbelievable.
:(
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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19. Hey, it's all ours? Really? And nobody else can use it?
Righto.

Every day he just gets more ridiculous.

And I'm just sure the Russians and the Chinese are laughing their asses off right about now.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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41. I doubt the Russians and Chinese are laughing at all..
More like they have had their fill of his arrogant "me first" dictations.
It will be a miracle if we survive this "nut case"!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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42. I think that they see him for the joke that he is. He may have
the people and the government in this country under his thumb but they have absolutely no problem telling him to get a grip. They've done it before, they'll most certainly do it again.

He's like the nasty little spoiled rich kid, thinks his shit don't stink and everybody has to do what he says.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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49. Well, they never do anything without a (subversive) reason..
So, it may be, the Bush WH will use something like (future) test launching of nuclear missiles
in space by the N.Korean's as a reasonable excuse for another preemptive strike, this time on them.

Of course, it will be the righteous thing to do, because HE called it first..
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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20. So the United States owns the heavens?
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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21. Yep. And Bush decides who will be allowed to use it ... he is the decider
:eyes:
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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43. All the heavens and earth are now within his domain
...just like Ozymandias.

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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22. its not funny. its a declaration of their intent to take military control
of the high ground. they intend on putting not just their communications in space but weapons hanging just a few hundred miles above their enemies and killer satellites to wipe out enemy space assets.

its a declaration of war on the whole planet. global hegemony.
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Jester_11218 Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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23. Continuing the PNAC agenda
Just read the PNAC documentation and you will see the plan is moving forward. Bush is simply the spokesmodel for PNAC these days.

http://pnac.tvnewslies.org
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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56. Here ya go ..... PNAC .....
"CONTROL THE NEW INTERNATIONAL COMONS OF SPACE AND CYBERSPACE" and pave the way for the creation of a new millitary service - U.S. Space Forces - with the mission of space control. (page V of the Rebuilding Americas Defenses a PNAC document from 2000) link here http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

more on page 51 and pages 54 thru 57. Peace.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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24. so...we own space now?
Bush is a Fing lunatic.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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30. i wonder what foreign govs. have to say about this. we will see.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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25. Well, it does say "cbsnews.com," but DAMN! this smells like an Onion!
And that picture is so funny! That's such a Cheney-wannabe smirk.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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28. Yes, he looks like he has gone over the edge in the picture:
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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26. bush
He can have space and his Uranus...............

Or where no woman has gone....Karl Rove
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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27. Remember he's a schoolyard bully and brat....
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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29. Did CBS steal this from The Onion?
Not even The Onion could have written a better satire.
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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31. It's for real----Bill Clinton commented on it this morning
Clinton saud that out of 160 countries, 159
rejected these issues.
Only one country accepted-----
The United States.

More embarrassment.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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32. I heard Clinton talking about this this morning on MSNBC....
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 12:54 PM by ladywnch
He was speaking at Georgetown University and mentioned that there was a vote on a pact of nations vowing to NOT militarize space. Of the 150 nations voting the vote went 149 - 1 in favor.....the one voting against it was the USA.

on edit: maybe my numbers are off, but we were still the only country voting against it
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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33. 159- to- ONE
ONE being --- The U.S.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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40. Wow. He is really trying hard to strengthen alliances with the rest
of the world. :sarcasm:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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55. It's what Shrub means by "diplomacy".
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FormerDem06 Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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59. The problem is China will vote against it, and then just go ahead with it
Just like everything else they do at the UN.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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34. 'right to deny adversaries'-----umm, cheves, any L wing gov???


......AP) President Bush has signed an order asserting the United States' right to deny adversaries access to space for hostile purposes.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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35. "Space Fence" is on the way...
:silly:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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36. LOOK at the Bush PHOTO at the website!!!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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37. Just when I think he's hit megolamaniac idiotic bottom...he descends.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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38. The head space case owns space
and God told him he could have it! So there! (sarcasm)

Left of cool
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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39. So now bush chimpy thinks he owns space too! Wait until Hugo
hears about THIS!!!! :wow:
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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44. And let me guess, only George* can determine "hostile" intent.
No oversight. No review. No prior consent. Just George.

And all it would take, really, to make this a lot more palatable, is to substitute something like "peaceful global interests" for "US interests". That way, we would be committing to defending space for everybody, not just us.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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45. ANd space! Oh yeah, and Iraq. That's all I need. Oh, and Paraguay,
and that's all I need.

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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46. Now Bush is extending the Unitary Executive to the Universe???
Talk about Power hungry and being a control freak.... :scared:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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47. Bush Seeks to Block Enemies From Space

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/2006/oct/18/101805424.html

Today: October 18, 2006 at 6:25:11 PDT

Bush Seeks to Block Enemies From Space
By TERENCE HUNT
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush has signed an order asserting the United States' right to deny adversaries access to space for hostile purposes.

Bush also said the United States would oppose the development of treaties or other restrictions that seek to prohibit or limit U.S. access to or use of space.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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48.  Read the U.S. National Space Policy (.pdf)
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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50. Tell it to the Borg.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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51. "We come in peace for all mankind"
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 02:20 PM by pinto
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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54. Shrub "comes in peace" like the Martians in "Mars Attacks"
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LetsThink Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:52 PM
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63. Given today's WP Headlines, the above quote brings tears......
....to my eyes, it's so beautifully human, hopeful and optimistic.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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52. it's all ours
all of this universe and whatever other universes exist.

we also own time, both past and future, in case time travel ever becomes possible.

:sarcasm:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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53. Yo, Herr Schrub: "You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right
to be here."
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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57. Bush's thought process here (if you can call it that):
God created the universe.

America is a "christian nation".

Therefore, America owns the universe.

See, now, wasn't that simple? About as easy as reading The Pet Goat.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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58. He should try developing the space between his ears first. nt
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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60. King of heaven and earth. That's GW. Glad the US owns space.
When can we buy some stock?

Will Americans ever wake up to this PNAC agenda and the absolute control it has over the US foreign policy?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:43 PM
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61. Wow. BushCo is a freaking GENIOUS!!!
Fighting an arms race is space is dozens of times more expensive than an arms race on the earth, due to the extraordinary difficulties of space.

Brilliant way to dump even MORE money on defense contractors! Breathtaking!

:applause:
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:15 PM
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64. I love that headline
I think what we need is another big fence to protect us from the space probes.
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:30 PM
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65. Does this mean they will technology to the terrorists?
eom
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:32 PM
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66. LOL/nt
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LetsThink Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:50 PM
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62. OK-- He has travelled light years beyond all human rationality....
....... Where is the man orbiting? Deny access to space? Rejecting future arms control agreements?
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