FBI director wants ISPs to track users

[sabra]

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/cnet/2006-10-18-isp-tracking_x.htm

FBI director wants ISPs to track users

FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday called on Internet service providers to record their customers' online activities, a move that anticipates a fierce debate over privacy and law enforcement in Washington next year.

"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston.

"All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims," Mueller said. "We must find a balance between the legitimate need for privacy and law enforcement's clear need for access."

The speech to the law enforcement group, which approved a resolution on the topic earlier in the day, echoes other calls from Bush administration officials to force private firms to record information about customers. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, for instance, told Congress last month that "this is a national problem that requires federal legislation."

[Akoto]

1. Far as I'm concerned, if they're asking for permission ...

They've already started doing it, and now they're trying to cover their butts.

[0007]

3. You know it, I know it, ...... breaking the news to the sheeple

will be a lead pipe chinch, 'eh?

[Haole Girl]

11. You beat me to it...

..I'm sure they've done this all along.

[LiberalFighter]

29. Who is going to check on them?

What porn or kiddie sites has Mueller and his gang been getting off on?

[Double T]

2. There goes 'net neutrality'

[Lance_Boyle]

4. This has nothing at all to do with 'Net Neutrality.'

This is Big Ole Republican Government (BORG (TM)) calling for new data retension requirements. They want ISPs to retain logs long-term. Net Neutrality aims to prevent those same ISPs from segregating the interwebs into an information superhighway for content providers who will pay up, and an information footpath for those content providers who do not succumb to the extortion.

*edited to add a missing "not"

[Double T]

7. Simple question??? Who will PAY FOR ALL this record keeping......

and storage of THIS DATA??? YOU, ME and THEM.

[Lance_Boyle]

10. Not so much 'them'

If ISPs are required to retain logs, they will certainly pass the costs on to their customers. So mostly just you and me will pay. For the privilege of being suspected by our government by virtue of being online. I'd expect ISPs to raise quite a stink if this legislation is pushed. They were none too happy about it in Europe when the EU mandated ridiculous data retention standards.

[crikkett]

12. BORG!! fabulous!

[peacetalksforall]

5. It is now brilliantly transparent why GE/MS participate in operating

a crime network - MSNBC. (I can't bear Grace - don't know which network she works for).

This lying, thieving administration want two reasons to take away our rights and spy on us for political purposes - terrorists on one side and pedophiles & murderers on the other.

I have never been able to say why they are so fixated on crime - now we know. Pedophiles and murderers provide two excuses/avenues for taking away our birth rights.

While in parallel fantasy land - crimes against the people by the Government NEVER gets covered by the networks in equal depth, if at all.

[kineneb]

9. they want the info

because,in reality, THEY are a bunch of terrorists and perverts. They (the BFEE and corporatocracy) are fixated on crime because they are criminals.

They suffer (very) vague feelings of guilt and figure that if they are criminals, everyone else must be worse. Of course, reality is exactly the opposite: "we" are not doing anything criminal.

I think the psych world has a term for this phenomenon: projection.

[OKthatsIT]

25. We have no "birth rights"

It's our job to uphold and defend the Constitution.

[VegasWolf]

26. The "constitution" as intrepreted by Scalia! nt

[Chimichurri]

6. the internets have been impossible for the leadership to contain

screwing with their desire to mold the message themselves. This and Chertoffs announcement yesterday do not bode well for any of us.

[caledesi]

24. Even the freepers are mad! Oh yeah, put on my hazmat suit

and checked out freeperville. You take away their "little Internet" and they are freaking out. Very funny. Guess they are afraid to go to their favorite kiddie porn sites! LOL!

[dipsydoodle]

8. Surely it will just lead to increased

use of sites like this : http://www.the-cloak.com/anonymous-surfing-home.html and also further encourage the use of encrypted email.

[suston96]

13. May be a good idea....

Out of every bad idea may be some redeeming features.

For example, proving that you were home, alone, on the internet, instead of being identified as someone involved in a crime.....

Especially good if you are the only one that could be posting, say at DU, under your monicker.

I know, hard to think of any other good features of invading privacy, but hey, they already have all your phone records and your public library selections.

[VegasWolf]

14. Cloaking will only help with sites you visit, not with your ISP. You have

to go through your ISP to even get to the internet.

[Solo_in_MD]

15. Or the banning them and the use of them in the US

not unlike online poker.

There are also efforts to control available cryptography products and to insure backdoors, ala Clipper chip (for those of us old enough to remember that).

In terms of privacy site, I like COTSE.net

[dipsydoodle]

16. Ta

I'll keep a note of that.

[VegasWolf]

17. Banning them won't help. One can still go to anonymous servers

overseas. They are attempting to control online poker by monitoring credit card transactions and not by blocking access to sites. This proposal would have the ISP record all outbound and inbound packet headers, thus you are screwed with respect to anonymous servers unless you shell out the bucks and become your own internet portal.

[Brazenly Liberal]

18. Yet another chowderheaded idea that invades our privacy but does NOTHING

to defeat terrorism.

Lest we forget the last chowderheaded idea that invaded our privacy but did nothing to stop terrorism, I remind you of the stupidity that is authorizing wiretaps on a person instead of on a phone number. This is a great way to keep track of someone like me, who has had the same phone numbers for 15 years. A terrorist smart enough to do any real damage is surely smart enough to buy a prepaid cell phone at the local WalMart.

Now this boneheaded maneuver. A terrorist smart enough to do any real damage is surely smart enough to know that in some neighborhoods, you can get online free and anonymously just by parking your car on almost any street corner and firing up your laptop and piggybacking on someone's wireless.

[VegasWolf]

19. Exactly, well said. Or even pay cash for some coffeshop IP access, there

are a ton of ways that crooks and terrorists can exploit the holes. This proposal does nothing more than allow the government to spy on ordinary citizens. The whole intent of this proposal is to go after child pornography, a bad thing, but giving up our freedoms is a worse thing.

[Brazenly Liberal]

20. I agree. And it's a pretty useless way to go after child pornographers,

too. What are they going to do, sift through all those squidzillions of links? I have news for them - most kiddy porn doesn't come with a url like www.gityernekkidchildrenhere.com The same government that couldn't decode the craftily disguised "Bin Laden determined to strike in US" is going to make sense of all that internet traffic? Please.

If Perverted Justice can identify child predators without monitoring my searches for a decent recipe for roasted red pepper hummus, why can't the federal gov't with all its money and resources?

PeeJ is phenomenally good at finding these guys. Their work shown on Dateline is only a small fraction of what they've done. Throw some money at them and leave my ISP alone.

[notadmblnd]

21. I think we should just overload the internets with filth and perversion

give the bastards a real nightmare to deal with. Can you see them locking up 300,000,000 people? Who'll do their laundry and clean their filthy homes? Who'll be around to raise their silverspoon fed trophy babies for them?

[Megahurtz]

27. LOL ! n/t

[Jim Sagle]

31. Altogether now! Everybody post, "Hey Jenna, wanna fuck?"

[notadmblnd]

34. Now that's a fine picture of one of those Trophy Babies isn't it?

why did they bring that child into this world? It's obvious they raised her with no values what so ever. So fucking drunk that you pass out half naked on a picnic table sourrounded by filth and trash? If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.

[Quantess]

35. Oh my goodness!

She's waster's choice.
All the trashy party casualties I've seen before........now seem classy in comparison.

[NastyRiffraff]

22. So, will this make Safari illegal?

Apple's browser has a "privacy mode" where you don't leave cookie crumbs marking your trail all over the Internets.

[VegasWolf]

28. No. Cookies are left on your computer. I use Norton Internet Security

to block cookies that I don't want. Cookies are not what this proposal is about.

[rodeodance]

23. damm. they just push and push!

[Imagevision]

30. Mueller's request is simply just that! - Google said no to Gonzo and it

stuck as our top crime fighter quietly dropped the case against Google saying NO 2 months ago but the msm didn't run the story.

[bamacrat]

32. I'm sure they're already doing it.

[Rex]

33. Of course they do...it's the federal fascism stupid!

Assholes.