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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:00 AM
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Doubts about vote count strong in U.S.
WASHINGTON - Count on close, contentious elections to stir up public distrust in the vote count.

That could be why people in the United States, Italy and Mexico had the lowest levels of confidence in the vote count among nine countries in AP-Ipsos polling taken just weeks before the U.S. midterm elections. Fewer than two-thirds in each of the three countries said they were confident the vote count would be accurate.

That's lower than in the other countries polled — Canada, France, Germany, South Korea, Spain and the United Kingdom, where three-fourths or more in each country felt the vote count is accurate.

"If we're going to have an effective democracy, we can't lose confidence in the institutions that deal with the votes," said Gabriel Nunez, a 39-year-old sales clerk in Mexico City.

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061019/ap_on_el_ge/democracy_ap_poll
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:03 AM
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1. Well now that they're wising up what do they intend to do about it?????
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:05 AM
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2. I won't be surprised
if the Repugs make a big stink about the results on election day and tie up as many races as possible in the courts.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:19 AM
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3. It will be a good time to educate those who haven't paid attention on
the facts of who owns and controls every aspect of the voting machines, with no accountability. A-holes!

I think you're right: if it looks as if Democrats are winning, suddenly there'll be a move to claim we've cheated.

The reason it may be harder for them to do the same thing all over again is that polling companies started publishing their findings Democrats are well ahead, so long ago it might cast too much suspicion on them if they do destroy Democratic votes again. Doesn't mean they won't, as the very thought of losing control of power is something they'd do anything to prevent.
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Zybelline Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:34 AM
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5. just enough to stealth steal key states?
like the french who it was said had the technology to fight the previous war, sadly dems are behind the curve on this voting misconduct

i am afraid the repugs will have figured out how to steal in little increments in certain states so it doesnt stink too much
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:55 AM
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6. Yep! No one can stop them since they control the machines. They've had
all the time in the world to figure out how to do it, as there's been absolutely no important heat on them whatsoever since they started ramming their machines into all the voting places across the country.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 06:00 AM
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7. Which begs the question in past elections:
why didn't the Democrats make a big stink about the results of the past elections and tie up as many races as possible in the courts? Or are we too noble to do that? It certainly would be more acceptable to most people than taking to the streets as they did in Mexico as some are promoting.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:03 PM
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9. Maybe they knew what they were doing?
I'm convinced that the Repugs are going to try to throw the election one way or another and then refuse to step down as long as they can prevent the results from being certified.

Maybe the DEMS walked away on purpose, so that when the Repugs pull their stunts, they can hold them to the exact letter of the law?

Now the DEMS can say that we know 2000 and 2004 were stolen but we played by the rules and did what we thought was best for the country.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:14 PM
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10. Powder must be kept dry.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:05 PM
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12. LOL aint that the truth. nt
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:16 PM
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11. Well, what I've heard on two different right-wing talk shows so far
is that DEMOCRATS are lining up lawyers already to challenge results, before there is even any evidence of fraud. I have never been particularly convinced by the claims here at DU that Diebold definitely has it in the bag, and have been worried that the cries that the election will definitely be fixed might drive away Democratic voters who figure "what's the point?"

However, this apparent drumbeat already to convince right-wingers that Dems plan to challenge races NO MATTER WHAT seems to me an attempt ahead of time to neutralize whatever legitimate claims might be made. It bothers me that I have heard it two or three times already, just skimming stations. They are working on this message.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 05:32 AM
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4. They are covering up their own poll numbers.
http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=314278&Category=23

UNITED STATES: Only a fourth in the United States say they are very confident that their votes are counted accurately and two-thirds have some confidence. After questions were raised in the 2000 and 2004 elections, about a third said they are not confident. Republicans, 87 percent, were more likely than Democrats, 50 percent, to be confident in the vote count. That was almost as high as the 39 percent in Mexico who expressed doubts.

26% very confident
40% somewhat confient
34% not confident
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 09:00 AM
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8. kick
:kick:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:08 PM
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13. Lou Dobbs had a good segment
on this topic tonight.

I still think this issue needs to go mainstream more.
Let's hope it does.
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