Republicans say top Democrats support 'group of gay paedophiles'

[sabra]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article1904969.ece

Republicans say top Democrats support 'group of gay paedophiles'

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Republicans aren't going after their Democratic challengers much on Iraq, or the war on terror, or nuclear proliferation. Instead, members of President Bush's party are accusing their adversaries of being apologists for gay sex between adults and children.

In Ohio, the Republican candidate for governor, Kenneth Blackwell, went on a tear against his Democratic challenger, Ted Strickland, in their concluding televised debate this week, accusing him of cosying up to an eccentric group called the North American Man Boy Love Association, or Nambla, and associating himself with a man convicted of exposing himself to young children.

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In California, a struggling Republican congressman called John Doolittle has argued that since his opponent, Charlie Brown, is a member of the American Civil Liberties Union, and since the ACLU has in the past defended Nambla's free-speech rights, he is tainted by association. "It is astounding," Mr Doolittle said in a recent press release, "that anyone could defend a group dedicated to aiding and abetting paedophiles." (Mr Doolittle failed to mention that he once acted as a character witness for a friend convicted of sexually assaulting six of his patients.)

The Nambla charge has also been thrown at Nancy Pelosi, the San Francisco congresswoman who would become the next Speaker of the House if the Democrats win a majority on 7 November and who has thus become a multi-purpose pincushion for the Republicans. The maverick right-winger and erstwhile presidential candidate Pat Buchanan told a television interviewer this week that Ms Pelosi had been on gay pride parades where Nambla members were also present and had thus been "marching with paedophiles".

[C_U_L8R]

1. The desperation is hilarious

[Tellurian]

44. The House of (Rep) ILL Repute is Rethug Homeland

Democrats Fire Criminals..

Rethuglicans Hire Them!

[Matilda]

2. They sound really desperate.

Are people really stupid enough to be taken in by this sort of muckraking?

Don't answer that.

[NanceGreggs]

3. ROFL!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[BootinUp]

4. *shaking head*

I got nothing else

[rodeodance]

5. my my my--a bunch of babies seems to me.

[OhioBlue]

6. they're idiots.

the voters (in Ohio) are seeing through their BS. I don't know how they didn't wake up during the swiftboating of veterans... but now.. in Ohio...

Ken Blackwell's debate performance and current tactics are being seen as completely repulsive. Strickland explained his vote - as a Psychologist and Minister there is no way he could vote for a resolution that stated that because someone was a victim of abuse they cannot overcome it to be a loving adult and normal person.

Republicans are telling me they are voting for Strickland. A former Blackwell supporter has told me he is voting for Strickland.

These tactics are disgusting and voters are seeing the assassination of character and skirting of libel and slander for what it is.

I don't know what their strategists are thinking... they are repelling voters left and right.

[we can do it]

65. Hopefully To the Left

[The Brethren]

7. "tainted by association."

tainted? and this coming from a party whose members include warlords, liars and criminals, etc?

(Mr Doolittle failed to mention that he once acted as a character witness for a friend convicted of sexually assaulting six of his patients.) Doolittle must have the same affliction of memory loss that Rice and Roberts have been struggling with over previous important conversations and associations.

where Nambla members were also present and had thus been "marching with paedophiles". I don't know which parades he's referring to, but any I've marched in NAMBLA wasn't allowed to attend as a group. But if they were there, I'm sure Pelosi didn't know about it, nor would support them at all. As usual, they're scrapping the bottom of the barrel hoping it sticks.

[JoFerret]

9. NAMBLA has made a habit

of joining gay marches/ parades (and being very unwelcome)

[The Brethren]

15. thanks for letting me know.

I've heard that as well. Have never seen their group at a march before, but have read in the gay press that they've been battling with parade organizers over it as well. Of course, repugs don't bother bother to mention that in their attacks on dems and gay parades.

[pnwmom]

34. The repubs are historically correct, unfortunately.

NAMBLA was active in organizing the first gay pride march on Washington in 1979. More info at post 30.

[The Brethren]

42. I appreciate the info.

I didn't know about their earlier involvement - only that they use to be part of the parades, then later on many organizers refused to let them join.

And you're right, it's not clear if the repubs are trying to attach Pelosi to any of the earlier marches that NAMBLA may have been part of. And if they are trying to do this and manipulate the issue to suggest that she was at earlier marches thus endorsing them, again I doubt she would've supported NAMBLA then or now.

However, if they are trying to connect Pelosi, or any other dem for that matter, to NAMBLA through an earlier march, then I would hope that she clarifies the issue immediately because the repubs will pull any stunt to try and take the heat off themselves and put it onto us. And I hope that she calls them on their crap.

sorry, correction on my part - I meant to say it wasn't clear which exact marches they were trying to attach Pelosi to - dates and places so that could it be fact-checked and she could address it more easily.

[pnwmom]

45. Yeah, it's important that we all understand the history so that

we're not knocked off balance if we get in "discussions" with people.

Even if Pelosi WAS involved in an early march, it doesn't mean she was advocating for NAMBLA. I was a young adult in those years, paying attention to the issue, and I don't recall being aware that NAMBLA was an organizer -- just another float in the parade, or whatever.

Back in the early years, one argument for NAMBLA's participation, as I recall, was that the gay pride events should be inclusive -- that gay people who had been ostracized for so long shouldn't be ostracizing other sexual minorities. That viewpoint eventually lost in the argument, but there was a struggle with this issue for a number of years.

[The Brethren]

47. very true, the more informed we are

the better we can deal with issues and repugs, esp. those who you know will twist the truth.

I'm guessing we've probably gone to different marches/parades, but the ones I've been to have been so large that even if NAMBLA did show up, it would very unlikely that I would even see them esp. when I was participating, because there was too much going on. I've also been at marches where groups have sneaked in at the end uninvited just to tick people off. Some of them got busted and even arrested. But imagine if at the next St. Patty's parade a group of straight/ga/bi pedophiles decide to slide in at the end. Even if they are thrown out, if there's a repug politician there, would they then be accused publicly of endorsing them by "association?" We know how flimsy the press can be with certain facts and it wouldn't take much to run with that story. Then they would be screaming foul play.

[pnwmom]

50. Alas, in at least one NYC parade

I remember a large NAMBLA sign and it was prominently featured on the evening news, of course. That's where people like Anita Bryant drew the fuel for their fire.

[The Brethren]

55. ahhhh good ole Anita Bryant

how could we forgot someone who has given so much to society? But I will say one thing about she and the other bigots at the time, they didn't try and soft-sell themselves as being politically correct....what you saw is what you got. I'm sure she must have drooled over NAMBLA in more ways than one. I see her as a self-righteous perv who would like to join their them - she's been squeezing those oranges too long. :) But instead would use them to raise votes against dems. In fact, if she were currently running opposite Pelosi, I wouldn't put it past her to pay them just to show up at a fundraiser for Pelosi. And it looks like the repugs of today will use them anyway they can as well. Wonder how many oranges they've been playing with lately?

[pnwmom]

58. Did you notice my post about Giuliani toward the end of this thread?

Number 52. That's one answer to this whole Pelosi deal. I don't know about Pelosi, but GIULIANI marched in a parade behind NAMBLA.

[pnwmom]

30. Unfortunately, NAMBLA wasn't unwelcome in the beginning.

They actually were among the primary organizers of gay pride parades in the early years. Read this and weep:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

Immediately following the Stonewall riots, some U.S. and Canadian gay rights organizations advocated the abolition of age-of-consent laws, believing that gay liberation for minors implied the permission to engage in sexual relationships.<14> The Gay Activists Alliance (GAA), a group which splintered from the Gay Liberation Front in December of 1969, opposed age-of-consent laws and hosted a forum on the topic in 1976. In 1972 Chicago's Gay Activists Alliance and New York's Gay Activists Alliance jointly sponsored a conference that brought together gay rights activists from eighty-five different gay rights organizations and eighteen states.<15> At the conference these approximately 200 activists coalesced to form the National Coalition of Gay Organizations, and drafted and passed a "Gay Rights Platform"<16> which called for the "repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent." The Canadian Lesbian and Gay Rights Coalition, also known as the National Gay Rights Coalition (NGRC), supported eliminating age-of-consent laws, as did Gay Alliance Toward Equality (GATE).<17>

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Disagreement was evident following the conference that organized the first gay march on Washington in 1979. In addition to forming several working committees, the conference was responsible for drafting the basic organizing principles of the march ("the five demands" PDF ). Originally, the Gay Youth Caucus had won approval for its proposal demanding "Full Rights for Gay Youth, including revision of the age of consent laws." However at the first meeting of the National Coordinating Committee, a contingent of lesbians threatened not to participate in the march unless a substitute was adopted. The substitute, authored by an adult lesbian and approved in a mail poll by a majority of delegates, stated: "Protect Lesbian and Gay Youth from any laws which are used to discriminate against, oppress, and/or harass them in their homes, schools, job and social environments."<18>

In 1980 a group called the "Lesbian Caucus – Lesbian & Gay Pride March Committee" distributed a hand-out urging women to split from the annual New York City Gay Pride March because the organizing committee had supposedly been dominated by NAMBLA and its supporters.<13> The next year, after some lesbians threatened to picket, the Cornell University gay group Gay PAC (Gay People at Cornell) rescinded its invitation to NAMBLA founder David Thorstad to be the keynote speaker at the annual May Gay Festival.<13> In the following years, gay rights groups attempted to block NAMBLA’s participation in gay pride parades, prompting leading gay rights figure Harry Hay to wear a sign proclaiming "NAMBLA walks with me" as he participated in a 1986 gay pride march in Los Angeles.

Thus by the mid-1980s, NAMBLA was virtually alone in its positions and found itself politically isolated. Gay rights organizations, burdened by accusations of child recruitment and child abuse, had abandoned the radicalism of their early years and had "retreat from the idea of a more inclusive politics,"<19> opting instead to appeal more to the mainstream. Support for "groups perceived as being on the fringe of the gay community," such as NAMBLA, vanished in the process.<14> Today almost all gay rights groups disavow any ties to NAMBLA, voice disapproval of its objectives, and attempt to prevent NAMBLA from having a role in gay and lesbian rights events.



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[JoFerret]

39. This Wikipedia info does NOT support the assertion

at all.

The GOP who do this are engaging in the equivalent of "blood libel" of the same ilk as the nazis did to the jews.

[pnwmom]

46. I was there. I remember. They did march in the NYC parade.

For a number of years. And, as the daughter of a gay man, I was appalled.

The other organizers were reluctant to kick them out, when it became an issue, because they had the viewpoint that the gay pride parade should be inclusive. That people who had been ostracized for so long shouldn't be ostracizing other sexual minorities. But this viewpoint, in the end, lost.

Concerning the article, perhaps you missed this sentence:

"In 1980 a group called the "Lesbian Caucus – Lesbian & Gay Pride March Committee" distributed a hand-out urging women to split from the annual New York City Gay Pride March because the organizing committee had supposedly been dominated by NAMBLA and its supporters."

If you read the article again, you will note how many of the gay organizations were supporting elimination of age-of-consent laws. That was also the brainchild of the NAMBLA people.

[54anickel]

51. I think I can understand how they might have supported the idea of

changing the age-of-consent laws. I remember kids in school being ostracized, sent to counseling for "de-programming", not allowed to shower with the rest of the phy-ed students or participate in "contact sports", etc. They were trying to "remove the temptation" as they were being "straighted out". At least that's what was going on in my small, rural school district. Heck, I don't think most of them knew if they were gay or not. Someone decided they showed "tendencies" (whatever the hell that meant).

If NAMBLA was using that sort of treatment as their reason (as opposed to their own, more self-serving agenda), I can see where some of the gay community would be supportive of the idea. Not saying I know for a fact that it came into play at all, but it sort of makes sense to me. :shrug: All I know is that our schools messed a lot of kids (gay and straight) up back then. Talk about instilling homophobia. :eyes:

[slackmaster]

62. San Diego Pride Parade banned them many years ago

:hi:

[pnwmom]

32. NAMBLA marched in the parades into the early 80's. I don't know

how long Pelosi has been marching in them. More info in post 30, above.

I remember the controversy quite well, because I had recently learned that my father was gay -- and to see NAMBLA in the parade was deeply disturbing.

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. Democrats support Reublican congressmen? That's kind of odd.

Sounds fishy to me.

[we can do it]

66. Beat Me To IT -

[Beetwasher]

10. This Is Their Defense Against The FACT That THEY Are Guilty As Hell Of

Protecting the pedophiles in THEIR midst. That is why they are trying to brand the Dems w/ these smears. It's desperation and it's blatantly obvious. Accuse your opponent of that which you are most guilty of. Propoganda 101.

[ismnotwasm]

11. Oh Good God

Idiots.

[deadparrot]

12. In other news, black is white. nt

[Phillycat]

53. HA!

:thumbsup:

[Mist]

13. They just CAN'T stop projecting, can they? nt

[Purveyor]

14. If the GOP thinks this shit is going to "work for them", they are mistaken

The average american family doesn't want this crap piped into their livingrooms as little Timmy and Sarah watch on with questioning eyes...

[Canuckistanian]

33. That's right, they OWN this pedophile problem

They're not fooling anyone.

And if this is the best they can do, it's pathetic.

[pinto]

16. This bigoted hyperbole smells of RW desperation. I hope we roundly

ignore, or laugh off, these strawmen arguments and speak through the smear. I think America's catching on.

[Placebo]

17. Well if THAT isn't the pot calling the kettle black...

I don't know what is.

[Crunchy Frog]

18. The "Grand Old Pedophiles" are projecting again.

[Tyo]

19. Are the Rethugs accusing me of voting for them?

They are the only group of gay paedophiles I know of.

[Critters2]

20. Whereas top Republicans ARE a group of gay pedophiles. nt

[TankLV]

21. That's rich - especially with a party the is OVERRUN with KNOWN pedophiles

as opposed to imagining some riduculous association to the party with NO known pedophiles...

Simply astounding...

The gall...

[daleo]

22. More projection.

The Republican Party badly needs to go into therapy.

[mitchum]

23. More stinking elephantshit from the Gang Of Pedophiles

[progressivebydesign]

63. That pretty much sums up what I was going to post. n/t

[Divine Discontent]

24. PROJECTION TO THE NTH DEGREE

this must've been Rove's plan. He figures if he has FAUX news do several misplaced (R)'s with a (D) in it's place and get the party "faithful" to say the Democrats are a bunch of protections of perverts, the people will buy it. Ummmmm, that's so laughable.

[Richard Steele]

25. Well, Joe Lieberman does. But few others support the REPUBLICAN PARTY!

[yurbud]

26. damn, beat me to it.

[samsingh]

27. any facts?

[casus belli]

28. The New improved Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon

played with a pedophilia obsessed group of worried Republicans.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any more bizarro in here.

I think the object here is to muddy the water so much with all of these accusations flying about that most people just shut down and don't hear it anymore. The best chance the Republicans have of these scandals not hurting them, is that people will get tired of hearing about it before the election.

[HuffleClaw]

29. hilarious, but sad too

in a 'have you stopped beating your wife' kind of way.

[truthisfreedom]

31. they're going to "win" by reminding America of how they protected a pedo?

i don't think so.

[NMMNG]

35. Top Dems are supporting Republicans?

Say it isn't so! :cry:

[6000eliot]

36. Muddying the waters. It's what they do.

[mac56]

37. Well, ain't THAT just the pot calling the kettle black.

:eyes:

[Vinca]

38. Time to start passing out the psychotropic drugs.

These people are seriously nuts.

[we can do it]

40. What Could Be Next

[54anickel]

49. Dems are responsible for Foley's transgressions!

Dems supported gays AND pedophiles from very early on. Why there probably wouldn't be ANY gays if not for their support! Why I'd bet that priest was a Dem - weren't ALL Catholics Dems back then? Hell yes!!! Kennedy was their leader! Remember all that broo-ha-ha about him being Catholic when he was elected? THIS IS WHY!!!!

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Well, you did ask what's next. You'll be able to catch it on FAUX this weekend. :evilgrin:

[enki23]

41. these democrats have been seen singing the national anthem...

in the company of congressional republicans, a group of men known far and wide for engaging, and attempting to engage in pedophilia.

the shame of it all.

[LoZoccolo]

43. Sad to say, but I almost called this one here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2858619#2858667

[kineneb]

48. "Projection"

...a new song, sung to the music of "Tradition" from Fiddler on the Roof...

(lyric ideas, anyone?)

[pnwmom]

52. I don't know about Pelosi, but MAYOR GIULIANI marched behind NAMBLA

in at least one gay pride parade, according to this NYTimes article. Unfortunately, I had to search for it and access is restricted.

http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F50C11FE3F5F0C7A8DDDA80894DF494D81

Has the Mayor Made a Difference?

January 19, 1997

"MARY A. CUMMINS lives in Middle Village, Queens, and was a member of the District 24 school board. She was a leader in the 1992 fight against Joseph A. Fernandez, then the Schools Chancellor, over a proposed curriculum that included teaching respect for gay people. She resigned from the board in 1995."

“I EXPLAINED why I didn't vote for Mayor Giuliani in the last election. I look at the gay pride parade coming up the avenue and I see the gay activists and they are followed by a group from Nambla, the pedophiles. And in back of the pedophiles come, smiling brightly and waving their hands, the two aspirants to be my Mayor, Mr. Dinkins and Mr. Giuliani. I couldn't under those circumstances vote for anyone that would march in a parade with pedophiles.

“I, however, have to be fair-minded, and that was the only thing I had against the man at the time. And it is the only thing I have against him now. But I must say this: I think he should be congratulated on the job he's doing and the effort he's putting into it to change New York and do what he can, and I will be voting for Mr. Giuliani when his term is up, when he runs again. I really have to when I see what he's up against as far as the Democrats who have announced.

“I can't let just one item that I disagree with him on blind me to the good that he has done. “

[The Brethren]

60. excellent find pnwmom!

Well now, ain't that a kick in the rubbah parts. So not only was the beloved GOP member Giuliani in a gay parade that included NAMBLA, but he was probably close enough to them to grab their back pockets and ask "how ya doing fellas?" :) I wonder if this article were brought up again in the press, if Pat Buchanan would like to eat his words against Pelosi????? Of course, in his defense, Giuliani might argue that he had no idea that was NAMBLA directly in front of him since he couldn't read their sign being that he was behind them - unless they had a 2 sided sign. And I still believe in Santa Claus...........

And from the mouth of a repug: '“I can't let just one item that I disagree with him on blind me to the good that he has done. “'

[Rocknrule]

54. Reminds me of the part in Wedding Crashers

where Todd (the demented recluse painter guy) says "Jeremy tried to seduce me!" after practically raping him the night before

[leQ]

56. they obviously haven't seen our list of republican pedophiles

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

[The Brethren]

61. Wow

I hadn't seen this list before either. Thank you leQ for the article.

Hmmmmm, and they're the party supposedly of "family values"? A family of hypocrites is more like it!

'Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped"[/b....disgusting pigs. I hope they get slammed in the election and even their base can't stand them anymore.

[allisonthegreat]

57. roflmao...n/t

[Megahurtz]

59. Grabbing for ANYTHING now that the ship is sinking.

:rofl::7

[Jack Rabbit]

64. I will tepeat this warning

Be very careful when you out gays. You may be doing it on Paul Weyrich's terms.