Teacher accused of sexual contact with student surrenders

[El Supremo]

(sorry, it's a slow news day)



By Chris Barge, Rocky Mountain News
November 14, 2006

A Brighton Charter High School teacher accused of having sexual contact with a boy while chaperoning a school camping trip turned herself in at the Jefferson County Jail this morning.

This is the second time in less than a year that an adult connected to the school has been investigated for having a sexual encounter with a student.

The teacher, Carrie McCandless, 29, is the wife of school Principal Chris McCandless. She has been fired from the school.

McCandless arrived at the jail with a bondsman at 9 a.m. to answer a warrant issued for her arrest by a Larimer County judge. She was released at noon after posting $20,000 bond.

Whoops! Forgot the link: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5143076,00.html

[blue sky at night]

1. the forbidden has a powerful effect on the......

libido of some folks, wonder if the husband knew what was going on.

[skypilot]

2. How many of these cases are there?

This seems to be a common occurence these days.

[El Supremo]

5. I don't know.

Maybe it is just harder to keep these things quiet now-days.

But thank you MSM for these prurient stories!

[wordpix]

9. too many. Teachers should keep it professional---these kids are NOT mature

no matter how well developed they are physically

[madmusic]

3. Where was she when I was 17?

She even looks good in prison garb. Some guys have all the luck.

[Sapere aude]

37. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! You're going to hell for that!

[heliarc]

55. true that nt

[UndertheOcean]

4. When I was 12 years old I would have been on my knees thanking the heavens..

that such a HOT teacher approached me ..

But thats just me.

[arewenotdemo]

50. just thanking the heavens, huh?

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[DuaneBidoux]

64. But at that age you don't have the judgement to know what you should think.

I have a 13 year old son and I would be FUCKING FURIOUS!!

[NOLADEM]

6. What the hell is up with HOT ladies getting it on with 14 year olds? Is the Demi-Ashton tadpoling

too appealing to resist??

[bigworld]

7. And why the hell didn't this happen often, say, 25 years ago? :)

[pitohui]

41. oh, i doubt it's true, don't you?

she is the wife of the principal, hell of a way to fuck him up and get some bragging rights with the friends too

boys will be boys, they will brag about bagging the pretty girl, and now the story is spun out of control, i'll bet the young man is "confused," yeah, i'm sure his story is quite confused because to be honest i doubt it happened at all

women aren't interested in kids, but some kids are interested in telling tall tales about their exploits with women, 99.98 percent of the time we all know it's true

[hedgehog]

8. Fantasy aside, what would all you guys be saying if it was a

29 year old guy hitting on a 14 year old girl? This is really some sick stuff.

On edit: there seem to be a lot of strange adults working at this charter school. I wonder what the school itself is like.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

16. Or if she was hitting on a girl...

Funny, when you read about male teachers abusing male students, you never see posts from guys saying they wish it had happened to them.

[mac56]

10. Every time a story like this emerges

several guys weigh in on how they wish this had happened to them when they were in school.

No, you don't.

I don't care how much of a horndog you may have fancied yourself in school. This would have messed you up, big and bad.

First of all, unless you were a complete moron, you would have known this was wrong. Someone who was supposed to be responsible for you (in loco parentis) was seducing you. If you've got half a brain you know that's messed up.

Plus, unless you were a complete moron, you would have been worried sick wondering if/when her boyfriend/husband would discover you, and beat the shit out of you. And in this case her husband was the principal.

Plus, I don't care how sophisticated a school boy thinks he is. He's not emotionally equipped for this. All the normal aspects you'd expect in a relationship wouldn't be there. Future relationships are going to be real, real screwed up.

Like another poster said: what would you think if it was a male teacher on a girl student?

Get off this "oh, how I wish it had happened to me" bullshit. Having a teacher fantasy is quite normal, but no normal kid would really want this.

[Quantess]

11. "no normal kid would really want this."

They might think they'd like it. I'm certain they would regret it later. The kid would probably need counseling afterward. The adult definitely needs professional help!

[patcox2]

13. B.S. Worry, what, me worry?

There'd be no more worry and no more guilt than if you were a teen and doing a girl your own age. Teens are taught that sex is bad from the git go, regardless, so there's always guilt. As Ben Franklin said, there's less immorality in comforting an older woman than taking the virginity of a young one. And when you are dating another teen, you are just as worried about getting caught by her parents, your parents, or friends, as you are always doing it in cars and whatever weird places you can.

And besides, this chick is cute.

[mac56]

14. sooo....the boundary issues wouldn't bother you at all?!

Being hit on by a parent figure?!

There's a big difference between this and "doing a girl your own age".

[patcox2]

19. I was young once, there were boundaries.

We, the kids, drew them. There were 3 or 4 just out of college teachers in my high school who most decidedly were not "parent figures," but rather were decidedly attractive and lusted after. And one hot 40-ish spanish teacher, Sra. Green, whom I always think of when I see Edna Crabopple on the Simpsons, that I would even have done.

And no, I would not have been traumatized.

If this woman were a mother figure, the kid would not have been turned on by her, would have withdrawn from any early flirting or other initial behaviors, and it wouldn't have happened. Teenagers aren't helpless puppies.

[mac56]

24. You're not being fair to the kid in this scenario.

It's not a normal circumstance, no matter how it gets spun in this thread. It's an abuse of power.

[patcox2]

28. There are power inequalities in every relationship.

Sorry, but its true. Some people are stronger, more calculating, better manipulators, some are mild, meak, gullible. Some 30 year old women may be as emotionally vulnerable as a 12 year old, other 16 year old girls may be as viciously manipulative and forceful as a 40 year old. Same with men. Sure, you have to draw some arbitrary lines sometimes, but to say this situation calls for jail, the harshest punishment our society has, while other, more egregious misuses of personal, rather than official power, are just ducky, isn't right.

[mac56]

44. Disingenuous, to say the least

to compare this situation with the normal array of personality conflicts that occur in many (not all) relationships.

"Some 30 year old women may be as emotionally vulnerable as a 12 year old, other 16 year old girls may be as viciously manipulative and forceful as a 40 year old."

Sooo....that makes it okay for an adult licensed care provider (for that's what a teacher is) to f*ck one of her underaged charges?!

Un-frickin-believable.

[patcox2]

56. Ooohhh, state issued licenses magically change reality, I get it.

As a lawyer I am always amazed at how people regard the law as if it is reality.

The argument was first that this is a "parent figure." That is absurd, so now its the fact that she is "state licensed." I am just as unimpressed by this argument. If you were saying that her conduct is clear grounds for immediate revocation of that license, then I would be in complete agreement with you.

But prison time, no way. The boy was actually of age, in that state.

By the way, whats with the use of the term "care provider?" The word for what she is is "teacher." It almost seems like a doublespeak attempt to drag in a whole nother set of ethical rules that apply to medical professionals. There is a difference, thats why one is called a "doctor" and the other is called a "teacher." Ah, but if they're both called by the same term "care provider," we can blur the distinction, which I assume you are intentionally trying to do. That or you simply don't understand that there are distinctions.

[mac56]

60. Tell me - why would someone strive so mightily

to defend a teacher fucking a student?

I didn't think you could be more disingenuous than you were on your last post. I see now I was wrong.

I'm done. Have a nice day.

[bilgewaterbill]

70. I think throw "disingenuous" around when you are losing. nt

[GoddessOfGuinness]

17. Thank you.

It happened to my son when he was 17. He didn't handle it well.

[mac56]

18. I'm sorry to hear that.

I hope he's okay now. That had to be difficult for the whole family.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

22. He didn't tell me about it until after he'd turned 18...

and he'd decided to stop seeing her. It was harder on my son than on anyone else in the family. The woman was 23, and had serious emotional problems as well as substance abuse issues. She was a former girlfriend of my stepson, which is how my son met her.

[patcox2]

20. Excuse my asking, but what was it he didn't handle well?

The relationship, or its discovery and aftermath?

I didn't handle my first few sexual relationships with peers very well, myself.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

25. The fact that this woman was a basket case

and made a game out of their relationship. She was also a substanc abuser, and god only knows how many partners she'd had. As soon as my son told me about it, I got him to the doctor for STD tests.

Adults should have enough self-control to not get sexually involved with kids...plain and simple.

[patcox2]

27. Understood.

I was not challenging you, I hope it did not sound that way. Just wondering, in light of the few studies I have seen reported which suggest that sometimes the response causes greater trauma than the relationship. Sorry your son was hurt. Not to belittle his pain, but it sounds like this woman hurt everyone who got into a relationship with her.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

31. I think she may have gotten involved with him

to get at my stepson, who wasn't interested in her for anything other than sex. But it wouldn't surprise me if others had been hurt.
The facts that she didn't work with kids, my son was a willing participant, and he waited a long time to tell me about it led us to opt out of getting authorities involved.

My son just wanted to forget about her...

[FedUpWithIt All]

58. Regardless of the responses i think this is a subject...

best left to the interpretation of those who have actual experience. I am sorry for your family.

Many people cannot distinguish between what they think something would be like (having never actually experienced it) and what it actually does feel like. Yes young males like the fantasy of being in a relationship with an attractive woman. Yet the reality and the fantasy are two completely different things.

I can fantasize that eating nothing but cake and candy for weeks would be wonderful. Reality...it would not be so wonderful.

As these cases appear more frequently in the media one thing is becoming more and more clear. Those who fantasize about this situation have opinions about it that vary distinctly with the obvious reality of the situation. I have yet to hear an instance where the young boy is affected in any way but a negatively by the experience (this does include the emotional strain of the incident being found out).

Regardless, some will continue to suggest that it is the stuff of dreams. They are fortunate that their fantasies were left intact and not corrupted by the resulting implications of the impulsive behavior of an adult.

[Ian David]

26. Not to mention how easily horny young boys can be manipulated by older women

Remember the teacher who convinced her young "boyfriend" to kill her husband?

"I hear and obey, my Mistress. I will do your bidding, so long as the blow-jobs don't stop, and you give me a good grade in Math."

[LanternWaste]

34. I agree.. to a point.

I agree.. to a point.

I cannot in good faith say I would have resisted the attempts of a particular teacher I had when I was a Jr. in High School has she made a move on me and chances are, I think I would have enjoyed it (regardless of whether I thought it was wrong or not). But having said that, I realize now that it would have been an abuse of her position which is (I think) the greater sin.

Now, you're point about the immaturity if a teen male is...well, it's spot-on correct. I won't speak for teen females, but teen males are ill-equipped to understand the consequences of what a relationship like that would have entailed.

I can't truthfully answer any points regarding the after-effects of sexual abuse as I've never experienced it. However, having friends with children who were abused during their early teen years gives me evidence that has truly frightening consequences in both the long and the short term and to me, any one in a position of authority seducing a youth is guilty of sexual abuse, regardless of age.

As a teen, I wanted to experience the "fantasy", yet as an adult, I'm quite glad I didn't.

[mac56]

47. You have gleaned the distinction between fantasy and reality.

Many posters on this thread have not.

[Porcupine]

12. The "kid" was 17. Old enough to get life in prison in some states.

No apologies for the woman. She definately should have covered her as and kept her hands off. Even if the kid had been an 18 year-old senior she should lose her job at least.

But is this one for criminal courts? I don't think so. I think that should apply for 17 year old girls as well. This is a case for censure not criminal punishment unless there was force or coercion involved.

[patcox2]

15. Rabid, hyperventilating puritanism run rampant.

Even among self-styled "progressives."

The whole notion that sex is evil and bad and harmful to the young is just the last vestige of puritanism.

The sex doesn't harm the kids as much as the hoopla, drama, and handwringing of the parents. The "victim" in this story is going to be far far far more traumatized by the fact that this women's life has been ruined, just because he played touch peepees with her, than by the act of touching the peepees.

[guruoo]

42. Yep, that will do it...

'The "victim" in this story is going to be far far far more traumatized by the fact that this women's life has been ruined'

[PassingFair]

46. You, of course, would feel the same ...

if both the student and the teacher were male;

or female, for that matter, yes?

"The whole notion that sex is evil and bad and harmful to the young is just the last vestige of puritanism. "

[patcox2]

57. I don't get it. Are you assuming I have a problem with homosexualty?

Or do you? I said that this hysterical reaction to a very normal thing, a 17 year old man having sex with a 29 year old woman, is a vestige of the puritannical view that sex itself is inherently evil. That they might be same sex is supposed to counter my observation how? Is the same sex situation somehow more evil in your mind?

[meisje]

21. Where were all the hot teachers when I was in school?

[Forrest Greene]

23. Going Strictly By

...prejudiced personal opinion & judging a make-up case by its cover, I'd say that here we have a fully infantilized American. She gives every impression of having peaked at age sixteen, of missing her own high school days & the power of her discovery of how easily she could manipulate males, & of being totally flummoxed by the notion that they do, in fact, put Barbie dolls in jail.

[Ian David]

29. Interesting school they're running. Their motto, "First comes learning...

"And then after the learning.... the oral sex."





<snip>

Police filed similar charges against former Brighton Charter substitute teacher David Wayne Mundy Jr. in June.

Police say the 31-year-old was involved with three girls ages 14 to 16 at his apartment last New Year's Eve.

<snip>

Mundy, who was working as a Brighton firefighter at the time, is the son of David Mundy Sr., chairman of the school's board of directors.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5143076,00.html



See also:

http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/browse_school/co/197



Also:
http://www.brightoncharter.org/BCHS/index.html

[Porcupine]

38. and then the corporal punishment!!

sorry, Monty Python bits just sneak out of some of us.

[Sin]

30. Yea all teenage boys really don't want it.

A few hundred thousand years of evolution and the hormonal drive to spread ones DNA as quickly as possible must stopped in the last 10 years or so. because you know that arbitrary age barrier of 12 months in this case makes all the difference in the world because we all think chase thoughts from the age of 14 right up to about, what is it 21 now and were encouraged to start thinking about that sex thing at maybe 18 because any thing before that could you know damage us so horribly that we would want to just off our selfs once we cum.

Give me a frickin break unless the guy in this case was drugged forcefully against his will then tied up and force Fed viagra. I have this weird suspicion that maybe he really wanted to sleep with this attractive member of the opposite sex.

So yea any really hot looking Girls out there that want to sleep with 16-18 year old boys make sure you pick out the outcasts first your efforts will probably help reduce school violence, raise self esteem,
and put a dent into the profit margins of drug company's that hand out prozac like its candy.
On note tho when you approach them make sure you make it clear that Its all about the sex no emotional entanglements you just want to have hard core porn start sex that will leave you both 2 weak to walk.

[olddad56]

32. didn't everyone have pretty blonde teachers humping them in high school?

If I had a teacher that good looking, I'd a had carapal tunnel syndrome by the end of the school year.

[madmusic]

33. The local debate is very interesting

http://www.metrowestfyi.com/story_display.php?sid=5103

First posts at the bottom.

[guruoo]

45. Sounds like locals are mostly supportive of her

if this comment board is any indication...
http://www.metrowestfyi.com/story_display.php?sid=5103

[slackmaster]

65. Thank you very much for posting that link

It casts the case in a little different light than an international media event.

[phrenzy]

35. At 15, I Was "Raped" By My Hot 25 Year Old Manager...

We were great friends and decided to 'fool around' once. I guess according to a lot of people here, I should go get rape crisis counseling now. I'll get right on that.

[mac56]

49. Was she a teacher?

Someone trained and licensed and paid by the state to be responsible for your education, not to mention your personal safety?

That's. The. Difference.

[phrenzy]

51. True True...

I agree the teacher thing makes the situation way more unseemly, and I would agree she should lose her job (jesus her husband was the PRINCIPAL ) - but face time for this? No way...

[superconnected]

36. the kid was 17, whats the age of consent in the state?

I can see this being out of order because teachers shouldn't be doing students, but really since the kid was 17, was it an arrestable offence? She looks like she's wearing jail garb.

"McCandless faces up to 12 years in prison if convicted. "

WTF! I can only guess some male would-be-pedophile judge would convict her to "get even" for all those men being sentenced for doing 12 yearolds....

[superconnected]

39. Age of consent in colorado is 17

http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/consent.htm

[Lars39]

40. I wonder how old she and her husband-the-principal were

when they started dating.

[ShockediSay]

54. Imagine being the boy, and getting called into the principal's office

Jay Leno

[slackmaster]

43. My concolences to her husband

:nuke:

[Anakin Skywalker]

48. It's a Blonde Barbie Doll. She'll Be Free Soon.

Only ugly people get sent to jail.

[phrenzy]

52. Attack Of The COUGARS! (n/t)

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[jpwhite]

59. really dumb on teachers part

This is just plain dumb on her part. Remember, rape is more about violence than it is sex. I think in this case it's more about control than sex. She is more mature and smarter than he is. It is not like sex between two consenting adults who are equals.

It's good to see this kind of response on here from other people. It goes against the idea the dems don't care about personal responsibility.

James
[e-mail]

[phrenzy]

61. Yeah, Right...

But, if he had been 18 and she had been 30 then suddenly it's not criminal and it's not about "control" - Ridiculous. Real easy to judge people from behind your keyboard, but the fact is we know nothing about these two. For all we know HE was manipulating HER. Yes there is such a thing as emotionally immature 30 year old women. Sorry to break the news.

The MAIN problem with this is how she screwed over (and utterly humiliated) her husband AND put this kid in the horrible position of being the "other man" in this instance. However, this is something that happens thousands of times a day and it doesn't make headlines. Suddenly this reaches the status of perversion because the kid hadn't yet turned 18.

[mac56]

62. get real

He was a student. She was a teacher.

Teachers don't get to fuck students.

How hard is that to understand?

[DuaneBidoux]

63. Of course she's a woman so it will be called "love" and she'll get probation.

[rocktivity]

66. She was a teacher where her husband was prinicipal?

Now THAT'S kinky!

:eyes:
rocknation

[slackmaster]

67. Such an arrangement would generally not be permitted in private industry

It creates obvious conflicts of interest.

[anotherdrew]

68. they were in private industry, it's a charter school n/t

[sampsonblk]

69. I woulda done her at that age. Big deal

And would not have felt the least bit abused. Scarred for life? I'd still be bragging to this day.