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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:30 PM
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NYT: Iraq Panel to Recommend Pullback of Combat Troops
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/30/world/middleeast/30policy.html?hp&ex=1164862800&en=1b8f934bb873891b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

The bipartisan Iraq Study Group reached a consensus on Wednesday on a final report that will call for a gradual pullback of the 15 American combat brigades now in Iraq but stop short of setting a firm timetable for their withdrawal, according to people familiar with the panel’s deliberations.

The report, unanimously approved by the 10-member panel, led by James A. Baker III and Lee H. Hamilton, is to be delivered to President Bush next week. It is a compromise between distinct paths that the group has debated since March, avoiding a specific timetable, which has been opposed by Mr. Bush, but making it clear that the American troop commitment should not be open-ended. The recommendations of the group, formed at the request of members of Congress, are nonbinding.

A person who participated in the commission’s debate said that unless the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki believed that Mr. Bush was under pressure to pull back troops in the near future, “there will be zero sense of urgency to reach the political settlement that needs to be reached.”

The report recommends that Mr. Bush make it clear that he intends to start the withdrawal relatively soon, and people familiar with the debate over the final language said the implicit message was that the process should begin sometime next year.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:38 PM
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1. Another worthless product from the same establishment that supported
American interventionism.

We are going to be pushed out of Iraq by events that we can no longer control.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:43 PM
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2. yep-- I agree with IG-- this is worthless....
A bunch of feckless old men without a clue how to proceed, so they recommend a middle path that goes nowhere.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:14 PM
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8. Why Stop the Great Satan? He's Driving Himself to Hell
The US in Iraq is like a drunk driver behind the wheel of a car. The impaired driver may think that he/she is in control of the vehicle, and might even be in denial of alcohol impairment, but to everyone else the car out of control and a threat to everyone else.

Published on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 by the Guardian / UK

Why Stop the Great Satan? He's Driving Himself to Hell

Tehran can sit back and watch its tormentors sweat. But the US and Britain must start from diplomatic ground zero

by Simon Jenkins


For axis of evil, read axis of hope. The frantic scrabbling for an exit strategy from Iraq now consuming Washington and London has passed all bounds of irony. Help from Syria and Iran? Surely these were the monsters that George Bush and Tony Blair were going to crush, back in 2003? Surely the purpose of the Iraq adventure was to topple these terrorism-sponsoring, women-suppressing, militia-funding fundamentalists in favour of stability, prosperity and western democracy? Can the exit from Iraq really be through Tehran and Damascus? Was that in the plan?

I remember asking a western intelligence officer in Baghdad, six months after the American invasion, what he would advise the Iranians to do. "Wait," he said with a smile. Iran has done just that. If I were Tehran I would still wait. I would sit back, fold my arms and watch my tormentors sweat. I would watch the panic in Washington and London as body bags pile up, generals mutter mutiny, alliances fall apart and electors cut and run.

As Blair's emissary, Sir Nigel Sheinwald, comes to me cap in hand, I would pour him tea and roar with laughter. I would ask him to repeat to my face the insults and bile his American taskmasters hurl at me daily. I would say with Shylock: "Hath a dog money? Is it possible a cur can lend three thousand ducats? Fair Sir, you spat on me Wednesday last; you spurned me such a day; you called me dog; and for these courtesies I'll lend you thus much moneys?"

As we approach the beginning of the end in Iraq there will be much throat-clearing and breast-beating before reality replaces denial. For the moment, denial still rules. In America last week I was shocked at how unaware even anti-war Americans are (like many Britons) of the depth of the predicament in Iraq. They compare it with Vietnam or the Balkans - but it is not the same. It is total anarchy. All sentences beginning, "What we should now do in Iraq ... " are devoid of meaning. We are in no position to do anything. We have no potency; that is the definition of anarchy.

From all available reports, Iraq south of the Kurdistan border is beyond central authority, a patchwork of ganglands, sheikhdoms and lawlessness. Anbar province and most of the Sunni triangle is controlled by independent Sunni militias. The only safe movement for outsiders is by helicopter at night. Baghdad is like Beirut in 1983, with nightly massacres, roadblocks everywhere and mixed neighbourhoods emptying into safe ones. As yesterday's awful kidnapping shows, even a uniform is a death certificate. As for the cities of the south, control depends on which Shia militia has been able to seize the local police station.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1115-22.htm
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:45 PM
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3. Useless....hence another propaganda war-machine in order to prolong the occupation..n/t
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:45 PM
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4. Announcing the new "Disperse and Walk Away" strategy.
Well, it's not really a strategy, but it sure beats the hell out of "Cut and Run".

- Make7
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:47 PM
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5. snicker
pats self on back
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:11 PM
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6. "zero sense of urgency"
Every time somebody brings up how Maliki & his house of cards govt
just need more of a sense of uirgency, I gotta laugh to not
cry. So, Maliki's going to read this report and go, "Wow, I
need a sense of urgency. OK, govt, time to take charge!"
I'm sure he's had a sense of urgency for a long time. Fat lot
of good it's done him. This is beyond civil war. How long can
we/him/they keep a thumb in the dam of total chaos & anarchy?
Remember the days of looting? The good ol' days. To think that
a lot of us predicted this exact reality four years ago. To think
that old man Bush & his ilk predicted it almost fifteen years ago.
What a soul-anguishing horror against humanity.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:19 PM
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10. Perhaps the Baker-Hamilton group should have work from Fallujah
you would have seen a beaucoup sense of urgency from them!
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:45 PM
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11. It wouldve been a 9-word report: "Get the fuck out & get us out first!"
And how long did they take to decide not to send W to Baghdad to meet with Maliki? They didnt even consider it. Like W says, "It's a dangerous place!"
This goes beyond crime into the realm of the demonic.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:11 PM
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7. Your typical paper pushing, Washington, blue ribbon, bipartisan commission
Full of washed up dinosaurs who like to get their names in the newspapers from time to time so they can still feel relevant.

They will either recommend a repackaging of the same Bush policy, in which case Baby Bush claims vindication, or they will recommend a new policy, and Baby Bush will then ignore them.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:18 PM
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9. Iraq panel recommends Get Out Of Dodge.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:04 AM
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12. More bullshit.
Just get out. Two weeks. Down the road we came in on.
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