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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:06 AM
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N.D. tribe barring church protesters
N.D. tribe barring church protesters

By JAMES MacPHERSON, Associated Press Writer
17 minutes ago

BISMARCK, N.D. - A church group that protests at military funerals around the country will be barred from services for an American Indian soldier on a reservation, tribal officials say.

Members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., planned to demonstrate at National Guard Cpl. Nathan Goodiron's funeral on Saturday at the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation.

Church members say the deaths of soldiers are punishment from God for the country's tolerance of homosexuals.

Tribal leaders passed a resolution Friday that prohibits the group from protesting on the reservation, said Marcus Wells Jr., chairman of the Three Affiliated Tribes.

"We will not tolerate any harassment that is intended to provoke ill feelings and violence," he said.
(snip/...)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061202/ap_on_re_us/soldier_s_funeral_protest
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:12 AM
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1. Good for the Tribal leaders...
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 04:20 AM by Kenergy
I wouldn't allow them on the reservation
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:24 AM
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2. I hope when Phelps goes
there are huge protests at his funeral proclaiming God hates him and he went to hell.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 06:48 AM
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3. good, that's as it should be.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 07:10 AM
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4. This could get interesting.
I can't imagine Phelps and his cavalcade of crazies honoring the Tribe's wishes or their sovereignty. I can visualize an ugly confrontation over this. I know who I'd put MY money on if it did escalate into something ugly and messy. Our Native American brothers and sisters would kick Phelps', his followers' and his god's asses.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 08:30 AM
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5. With how much impunity can this tribe act in choosing how to deal with Phelps?
Can they arrest him, try him, and imprison him within their own system?

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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 08:57 AM
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6. yes to all 3
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PinkUnicorn Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:28 AM
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8. So...
So if Phelps sets foot on the tribal land, he is essentially in their legal system and can not appeal to the 'normal' US courts? If that is the case, things would be very very interesting.

Phelps is a sniveling coward who seems to hide behind lawyers when someone disagrees with him or ties to stop him. Take away this shield and he hides like the scum ball he is. If his pet lawyers can't shield him due to the area being under the local tribal laws, then one can guarantee he won't step foot on the land.

Is there an 'extradition' set of rules in place though? He could try slipping thorugh that way.



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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:37 PM
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15. There has been one big intrusion against tribal sovereignty lately
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 01:45 PM by IanDB1
Edited after research

The Narragansett Tribe in Rhode Island was selling un-taxed cigarettes out of a mobile home in their reservation. The State Police invaded the reservation and shut it down:



Narragansett Exclusive: Public rallies to Indian cause as state wavers

Posted: July 17, 2003
by: Jim Adams / Indian Country Today

CHARLESTOWN, R. I. -- After a violent state police raid that shocked Indian country and much of New England, the issue of the Narragansett Tribes' new smoke shop is now in federal District Court, where tribal leader Matthew Thomas said it belonged in the first place.

In a closed hearing July 16, U. S. District Court Judge William Smith urged the state and the tribe to settle the issue and avoid criminal prosecution, the Providence Journal reported. He scheduled a second closed hearing for 2 p.m., July 21. The court is hearing a Narragansett civil rights suit against the state, the town of Charlestown, the state police and assorted public figures over the July 14 raid, which left eight tribal members injured.

According to a tribal member, state police arrested seven tribal leaders, including Chief Sachem Thomas, first councilman Randy Noka and his wife Bella, council members John Brown and Hiawatha Brown and environmental police officer Thawn Harris.

In a scene captured by news cameras and widely broadcast on television and Indian web sites, a state police dog nipped a handcuffed Hiawatha Brown on the shoulder as state police held him face down on the ground.

More:
http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1058476374



See also:

Federal Appeals Court Hears Smoke Shop Appeal
State Called Earlier Ruling Contradictory
http://www.smokersclubinc.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1541


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Either Federal or State law enforcement actually went in and shut it down.





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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:30 PM
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14. Let's remember what our Great Decider said about this...
When asked, The Decider said that they were a "sovereign" nation - and that meant they had "sovereignty"....

Good for them - I hope they don't have to deal with Phelps trying to attend in spite of their ruling.

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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:03 AM
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7. Kick their sick asses off the Rez...
From the article...

..."We recognize and respect the right to free speech and the public's right to assemble, but we want everyone to know that the Three Affiliated Tribes, as a sovereign tribal government, has the right to regulate any person or persons who harass and show disrespectful conduct towards our members, within our boundaries," Wells said in a statement.

Wells said tribal police would prevent the protesters from coming on the reservation.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:38 AM
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9. Good for them.
The big problem with Fred is that he just feeds on any kind of attention.

Too bad we couldn't all just get together and ban him from everything and then just completely ignore him.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:14 AM
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10. I suppose the tribes could put him into temporary custody
The manner of custody may be up to them.

And considering they don't have the resources they would just have to rig something up. (I suppose they do have the resources for something better but why admit it)

They could put up a warning. Like maybe human bones and skulls on posts with signs that they are the remains of priests and ministers. And as an added threat they could also add they sacrifice virgins to their spirits.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 11:27 AM
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11. Good.
RIP Young Eagle. :cry:
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:07 PM
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12. Maybe They'll Find Out
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 01:09 PM by AnnieBW
Maybe the WBC idiots will see the misery on the rez and find out what REAL problems are. Then again, maybe monkeys will fly out of my ass.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:11 PM
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13. The Indians should ambush the Phelps posse as they come over the pass! nt
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 01:11 PM by VegasWolf
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 01:37 PM
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16. These are evil people, who totally misread the teachings of Jesus.
The are undoubtedly one group of the Bible's abominations/Satan's disciples on earth. Think how you would feel if your son was killed in this despicable debacle and have the anti-Christs show up.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:01 PM
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17. What a bizzarre protest. Hats off to the tribal leaders.
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