Dean wants another (FL) District 13 election

[DoYouEverWonder]

December 6, 2006

WASHINGTON — Republican Vern Buchanan may be the official winner in a messy Sarasota-area Congressional race, but Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean says the Democratic-controlled Congress should not seat Buchanan without another election.

“Absolutely not,’’ Dean said in a taped “Political Connections” interview airing Sunday on Bay News 9. “You cannot seat someone if you don’t have an election that’s valid.

“This election is not valid. There are 18,000 people who may have voted and we don’t know what happened to their votes,” he said. “You can bet that if the Republicans were 500 votes short they’d be calling for a new election, and they’d be right.”

On Wednesday, Democrat Christine Jennings said she will ask the U.S. House to take the extreme measure of conducting its own investigation into the election.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/12/06/Worldandnation/Dean_wants_another_Di.shtml

Good to see Dr Dean getting involved.

[w4rma]

1. Dean is on the ball. Common sense solutions that his opponents seem to lack. (nt)

[jamesinca]

14. Would this be the DLC

"Common sense solutions that his opponents seem to lack" the non 50 state plan types? Good for Dr. Dean, can't win if you don't compete!!

[Fridays Child]

2. I can almost hear the DLC Democrats gasping for breath.

:rofl:

I love you, Howard Dean!

[tom_paine]

33. Fuck the DLC Dems, they have given us timidity and cowardice

and the kissing of Bushler's ass even NOW.

[PurityOfEssence]

3. Good. He's been a great chairperson.

Fuck Carville. Fuck Carville with a pipe wrench and hound him out of civilization for consorting with that harpy Matalin and beat that posturing appeasing would-be masculine hunter Begala around the ears with the carcasses of the deers he's so proudly killed.

Dean pushed a 50 state approach, and that was VERY helpful, especially for the realization that we're not hopelessly outnumbered. The bullying of the right over the last two decades has cowed people into thinking that "liberal" is a bad word, addressing economic thuggery is "class warfare" and standing against the Republican Party is somehow moral turpitude.

Dean has forced these feudal enforcers to defend themselves everywhere, and that's shown many gaps in the chain mail.

It's odd to praise a fairly conservative person as a champion of the little guy, but he's really taken the bit in his teeth and he's responsible for a fair amount of the success of the last election.

There should be no politeness when dealing with the reactionaries. This was Gore's mistake in '00: he didn't want to be an annoyance; he simply wanted to contest four counties instead of being a nuisance and recounting the whole state. By doing so, he made it look like he was playing games.

In this situation and others that will crop up, it's important to force the monarchists to defend their actions at every turn. Beyond that, this is a great opportunity to challenge the very concept of unverifiable electronic voting, and a re-vote could show a huge disparity.

Fuck politeness.

Dean has done us a great service by being combative.

[madfloridian]

4. Here's a link to the program it will air on this Sunday.

http://www.baynews9.com/PoliticalConnections.html

It's on at 11 Sunday morning.

[madfloridian]

15. Hope someone puts this on You Tube.

Hint, hint.

[me b zola]

5. Hats off to Chairman Dean!

:applause:

[HughMoran]

6. Good move

18,000 is too many votes to ignore.

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

7. This should have been the solution in Florida 2000 aswell.

Doubt this will happen, but good for Dean for saying the obvious.

[eridani]

8. Finally, someone at the top gets it

We can't always count on public outrage to boost voter turnout enough to overcome all the hankypanky.

[WCGreen]

9. Go Dean Go......

[mopinko]

10. another win for the tinfoiled corp.

i know how many of us crammed this into the consciousness of the solicitors from the dnc. when they sent out "surveys" asking what our issues were, we sent them back with a big fat message to count the g__ d____ votes. when they called us on the phone, we screamed at them.
and you know what? we won.
give yourselves a hand. :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

[IndianaGreen]

11. An 18,000 vote undercount for the House race, you bet we need another election

Touch screen voting machines without a paper trail, do we need to say more?

[Gregorian]

12. Wow.

That is so gratifying. Dean is one of a few who are really on top of things.

Bravo!

[NobleCynic]

13. This should prove interesting

Let's hope that Dean can keep this issue alive long enough to force a serious look at what happened by more than just the junkies. Bring it fully into the public eye, and force the nation to deal with the issue of electronic voting

[lovuian]

16. I love him

:woohoo:

[NastyRiffraff]

17. Thank you, Gov. Dean!

My god, can you imagine if this man had been our President? He comes through every time.

[FogerRox]

18. Give 'em hell Howard

Knr too.

[Maraya1969]

19. Would 18,000 put Jim Davis over the top of Crist? They must count

all the electors no?

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. Davis beat Crist in Sarasota County

The Governor's race did not have the same problem with undervotes that the Congressional race did. That was one of the signs that something was wrong.

[annabanana]

20. Buchanan won squat.

Calling it a win is laughable.

[JNelson6563]

21. Thank you Governor Dean!

:yourock:

[depakid]

23. Will the Dems show some integrity

and follow Dean's lead?

It could be a watershed moment....

[kaygore]

24. FINALLY!!!!!

[lpbk2713]

25. Damn right.

Buchanan ran a dirty campaign filled with nothing but negative ads and he doesn't deserve to hold office.

The whole election was bogus.

[Senator]

26. Good... Now, How About Unseating the Bushkid?

Or do we merely ascribe to the Ziskey Principle* of battle ??

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* Russell Ziskey: "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it."

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[farmbo]

27. Wanna bet Denny Hastert will "Swear in" Buchanan before Jan 1?

Just like he did for Bilbray in the San Diego Special Election.

[Peace Patriot]

28. YE-E-ES, Governor Dean! You are the man! And I hope this opens up the

the dark depths of our election system, now run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations. Sarasota was a large dramatic theft, and a big boo-boo by the election theft industry, leaving 18,000 blank votes lying around to be noticed. But what about all the small thefts that are possible, the less visible switches and disppearances of votes, that may be tweaking close elections, undetectably. I want ALL elections investigated over the last four years of Diebold/ES&S rule. We have the exit poll discrepancy in 2004--Bush lost. We have the flipover of Max Cleland's 15% lead over Chambliss in '02, in one of the first all-Diebold paperless election systems. We have the Iraq vets and people like Colleen Rowley mysteriously losing in these mid-terms (people that the war profiteers would least like to see in Congress). We have the flipover of election reform initiatives in Ohio in '05, where the initiatives were leading by 60/40, and were flipped to 60/40 LOSSES on the election day. We have these secretly programmed Bushite-controlled machines still spreading like a cancer everywhere in the U.S. Enough is enough. Open this up! It is badly in need of investigation and exposure, so that the people of this country can plainly see what's happened, and can start pressuring local/state and other officials for fully public, transparent vote counting.

You can't have an unjust war, in a democracy, without fixing the elections. So that's what they did. They manufactured an endorsement for the Iraq War in the 2004 election, having fast-tracked these non-transparent electronic voting systems, run by Bushite corporations, all over the country during the 2002-2004 period. It seems very obvious to me, but whether you believe this or not, it should be troubling enough that rightwing forces had--and continue to have--the capability of flipping every election in the country, without detection. I think they went into salvage mode in 2006, unable to stem the tide of bad news for Bushites, with all polls predicting a big Democratic win. But didn't you have a small tweak (or a major cramp) of worry that the Bush Junta COULD easily, undetectably slip a line of code into into these machines that reversed that lead? What recourse would we have? This is just an outrageous situation. And this is what must change.

And I don't think we should REWARD these lying, criminal corporations by paying them billions MORE dollars to now provide printers for their crapass machines, or more "upgrades," or more secretly programmed central tabulators, or more "servicing" contracts, or better (secret industry) "testing" of the machines. This is all bullcrap. Should we be paying them more billions of our tax dollars to fix the disaster they have created? No! I want them out of our election system ALTOGETHER. There is no excuse for private corporations running our elections on "trade secret" code. Out! Out! No secret code anywhere in our election system!

That should be the Democratic Party position. But it isn't. So work on Dean to change this. It's not a matter of "fixing" these horrible voting systems with printers, and patches, and weak audits, and all that rest. CORPORATE PROPERTY RIGHTS are fundamentally inimical to honest and transparent elections. Corporations don't DO honesty. Corporations don't DO transparency. And that is the problem.

The Senate committee on elections is going to be headed by Senator Diane ("You too can learn to love the Corporate Rulers") Feinstein. So real reform will be blocked in the Senate. But that doesn't mean that the DNC cannot take the best position--and really the only position in a democracy--of 100% transparency in vote counting. Private interests must be excluded! This is not a private matter. This is a public matter of the FIRST IMPORTANCE.


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[jean]

29. Dr Dean rocks, once again. He has what is lacking in the party: strength of conviction

and action to match his words.

I'm heading over to donate in Howard's name.

[TwentyFive]

30. Boycott Vern Buchanan's car dealerships! He owns several in multiple states

Vern Buchanan is an ultra right winger. He given millions to republican causes. He opposes abortion in ALL cases - even if at the expense at the mother's life.

BOYCOTT HIS AUTO DEALERS
http://www.buchananautogroup.com

[Zorra]

31. It's so great to have a DNC chair that actually does something. n/t

[MasonJar]

32. Miracles do happen. It was destined for Dean to lose in 2006. Who

else would have had the nerve or the smarts to go for the 50 state strategy? AND WE HAVE CONSEQUENTLY ALREADY CAPTURED SEVERAL important seats in normally rethug areas. Of course Dean cannot be given total credit; Georgie porgie certainly contributed.

[Vidar]

34. Howard gets it!

[aggiesal]

35. Congress swore in Brian Bilbray before the election was certified ...

When a lawsuit was filed, the republicans brought up a rule and motioned
that the judge does not have any jurisdiction over congress.
The judge agreed, and threw the case out of court.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/08/30/news/top_stories/7_05_458_29_06.txt

So yes Dean and the rest of the Democrats should get involved before
Buchanan is sworn in, otherwise they will have not recourse.

[midnight]

36. " Absolutely not" , that is upholding the voters right. Thanks

Howard Dean.

[Festivito]

37. 'bout time: hearing call for ANOTHER ELECTION.

This . needs . to . happen.

For the count.
For the wake-America-up effect.