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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:02 PM
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Iraq Insurgents Starve Capital of Electricity/ NYT
Iraq Insurgents Starve Capital of Electricity

By JAMES GLANZ
Published: December 19, 2006

BAGHDAD, Dec. 18 — Over the past six months, Baghdad has been all but isolated electrically, Iraqi officials say, as insurgents have effectively won their battle to bring down critical high-voltage lines and cut off the capital from the major power plants to the north, south and west.

The battle has been waged in the remotest parts of the open desert, where the great towers that support thousands of miles of exposed lines are frequently felled with explosive charges in increasingly determined and sophisticated attacks, generally at night. Crews that arrive to repair the damage are often attacked and sometimes killed, ensuring that the government falls further and further behind as it attempts to repair the lines.

And in a measure of the deep disunity and dysfunction of this nation, when the repair crews and security forces are slow to respond, skilled looters often arrive with heavy trucks that pull down more of the towers to steal as much of the valuable aluminum conducting material in the lines as possible. The aluminum is melted into ingots and sold.

What amounts to an electrical siege of Baghdad is reflected in constant power failures and disastrously poor service in the capital, with severe consequences for security, governance, health care and the mood of an already weary and angry populace. “Now Baghdad is almost isolated,” Karim Wahid, the Iraqi electricity minister, said in an interview last week. “We almost don’t have any power coming from outside."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/19/world/middleeast/19electricity.html?hp&ex=1166504400&en=e5459be58953289c&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:07 PM
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1. Whow. Things go from bad to worse.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:19 AM
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9. The aluminum is melted into ingots and sold
LOL

How do you stop this?

Easy you send another 200,000 rustics from the US to guard the wires

LOL
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 10:37 AM
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14. even things that are nailed down are stolen over there.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 08:55 AM
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16. Its called "War Zone Recycling"
LOL
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:12 PM
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2. Well, of course.
There was never the smallest chance that we or our puppets were going to be allowed to achieve anything. Never.

I was quite shocked when I read our plans for after victory (i.e. deposing Saddam and taking over). It was a plan that would have worked in New Orleans, or some other place overtaken by a natural disaster. It was so moronically naive, it was almost unbelievable. It seemed to have been written by someone who grew up on American war and post-war movies of World War II. There was no sense of reality to the plan at all. No grasp that WE were the nazi stormtroopers in this production. Most of our government still hasn't grasped that wee, tiny fact that WE invaded a nation that didn't attack us. Two, actually.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:38 PM
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3. Oddly enough the green zone has plenty of power.
So while the residents of Baghdad are sweltering at night with their power out, they can look out and see the perpetual carnival of the green zone oasis, insulting them with its arrogance of power, reminding them daily that they have been conquered and subjugated by the foreigners in their insulated fortresses. I'm sure another 30,000 troops will fix this.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:44 PM
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4. Doesn't Seem To Be Slowing Down The Quislings In Selling Off The Oil Fields
http://www.lawksalih.com/php/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2080

Iraq, holder of the world's third-largest oil reserves, will offer contracts to develop 60 oil fields, in several batches, starting next year, said Iraqi Oil Minister Hussain Sharistani. Only 20 of Iraq's 80 discovered oilfields are in production, Mr. Sharistani said.

The government is waiting for parliament to approve a new hydrocarbons law early next year to start offering contracts to develop the remaining fields, Mr. Sharistani said. Contracts to develop oil fields were given about a decade ago by the regime of former president Saddam Hussein to companies such as Total SA, OAO Lukoil and China National Petroleum Corp. Wars and sanctions have curtailed Iraq's ability to develop its oil wealth.


Hmm . . the Hussein regime had contracts with French, Russian and Chinese oil companies. I wonder who will be getting these new contracts . . .
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:49 PM
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5. How much of the electrical manipulation has to do with privatizing contractors?
Sure blame it on insurgents.

When there is money to be made in privatization, the ones to watch are BigOil.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 11:57 PM
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6. Will anyone ask Bush about this?
When President Stupidhead is prattling on with his happytalk imaginary vision of an Iraq with a functioning government, open schools, and (ah, what the hell) hundreds of citizens not dropping dead from hidden bombs every week, I wonder if any of the assembled bulldogs of the press will have the temerity to ask about the power supply in Baghdad?

Nah, probably not. None of them had the intestinal fortitude to ask him why he didn't meet with his Iraqi puppet in, you know, Iraq.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:22 AM
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10.  why he didn't meet with his Iraqi puppet
Too Dangerous
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 12:00 AM
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7. A pretty rich metaphor
To say who really has "the power".
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 12:16 AM
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8. OK everybody! Let's all chip in and help! Let's all head over in a big surge and
help rebuild the power infrastructure just like a big ole Amish barn raising! I will be fun! C'mon gang...what do ya say?
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 09:26 AM
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11. It's a smart move
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 09:30 AM by KevinJ
Plainly the insurgents have read (and mastered) Sun Tzu: flow like water around an enemy's strong points and attack instead where the enemy is weak. I'm begining to suspect that conventional warfare as it's been known over the millennia may be becoming altogether obsolete for this very reason. Modern society offers too many strategically vulnerable points, such as power grids, upon which it depends for functioning - there's simply no way to defend all of them. Even if we muster enough resources to defend every power line in Iraq (which would be prohibitively costly, if not altogether impossible), the insurgents will quite sensibly change tactics and go after some other vital resource, such as water supplies, or food sources, or transit systems, or telecommunications, or any one of the other million and one essential services that keep a modern state working. Even if you're willing to reduce a country to a police state, it's still never going to be possible to defend everything.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 09:57 AM
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12. *
Tommy Thompson memorably exclamated how surprised he was the "the terrorists" hadn't tried to hit the US food supply (or have they-spinach Taco Bell etc) anyway I have said in many conversations that we seem to be a bit lucky that "the terrorists" either don't know much about this country or only go for the HUGE hits. I don't want to give away any details (not that they are that hard to come by) but taking down little infrastructure parts could achieve the uncertainty that terrorism usually entails. Okay enough about that.

There is no way to completely secure everything you are right but then not securing anything doesn't work too well either.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 10:28 AM
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13. the war is there
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 10:30 AM by maxsolomon
not here. iraqi sunni insurgents have plenty of targets trying to drive the infidels from their land to take the time, personnel & money to plan & execute an attack on america's corn syrup supply - it's logistically difficult & success is a long shot. in iraq success is vitually guaranteed. they are fighting for their freedom. from our imperialism & from the shia.

9/11 was meant to focus our attention & draw us into a guerilla war. mission accomplished. but osama couldn't have dreamed that bush was so fucking stupid as to invade a SECOND mulsim country, and do it with such unbelievable incompetence. secure the ammo dumps? naw, that's 20th century warfare.

saddam has executed sun tzu to the letter, and all our 5 star west point graduates did shit about it. this illegal war is lost. you cannot make someone love you by killing their relatives. retreat now.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:52 PM
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15. On Civil War, Siege Tactics, Troop Escalation, Iraq, etc
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 02:54 PM by necso
What one might expect to see in a civil war, considered with especial attention to Iraq (nb, the currents described in the following do not necessarily peak at the same time, which can make reading the state and stage of a civil war difficult):

a) Flight from the country of large numbers of people of all ages, but especially those who are not fit material for fighting. (Already significant in Iraq.)

b) The distress sale, loss, abandonment of property (professions). (Already significant in Iraq.)

c) Internal ethnic/sectarian/group (group: any collection of people unified in some way, deliberately or not, temporary or lasting, shifting or fixed) dislocations, relocations, "cleansings". (Already widespread in Iraq.)

It's time to talk a little geography. Different and opposing groups (those that will be separated) can be distributed in various ways (before and after separations; the nature of separation/distribution can change over time). That is, intermixing can be done on a relatively local basis (eg, neighborhoods within a city); a less-local basis (eg, neighboring cities or villages); a more-regional basis (eg, larger areas); or a regional basis (eg, complete, or nearly complete, provinces and large geographically separate areas).

And internal dislocation can change in nature as it progress. For example, starting off as a neighborhood affair and then progressing to where broad geographical areas are occupied only by a single group.

d) Violence in terms of the numbers of dead, wounded, tortured, mutilated. (Already taking place on a large scale in Iraq.)

e) Violence in terms of different geographical types of attacks (like for separation; the two typically take place together): ranging from attacks in mixed neighborhoods to battling for territories (perhaps historically considered as being owned by the group holding it) held by another group. (One imagines that local relocations/fighting would give way to more regional relocations/fighting as fighting progressed -- and that little (and maybe then large) islands of one group or the other would be driven out from broader areas.)

(There is violence taking place locally and less-locally certainly, and possibly at broader levels -- I don't have enough data to render this judgement.)

f) Violence in terms of types and numbers of the weapons and forces used, and the scale of individual fights. (Relatively small stuff is going on, but our forces by their presence and actions make large-scale fights (except for us and the Iraqi "security" forces) less feasible -- attacking large bodies of "troops" is a strength of our military, especially where these opponents lack the best defensive weapons and are in-movement and without fortifications.)

g) Something like de facto governments being setup and operated by different groups (specifically, these being (largely) outside the sway of the central government). (This is taking place, but the central government is so divided, that it's hard to call this one. However, this is the case to some extent.)

h) Fracture into regions, or the conquest of the country by one group. (De facto fracture is happening to some degree with the separation of the various groups.)

i) Assistance by outside forces to (and requests for such assistance by) one group or the other. (Happening, but largely informally.)

j) Actual, formal, physical-intervention by outside forces that results in foreign control of certain areas, if not the whole country (Who'd want Baghdad? ... At least once they'd had it a while. -- The oil is elsewhere.) (Ignoring us and our allies, this is a minor issue now.)

k) Deterioration of the infrastructure, especially other-than-local infrastructure. (Already taking place on a large scale in Iraq.)

l) Deterioration of government services, especially central government services. (Already taking place on a large scale in Iraq.)

m) Collapse of the central government. (What central government? It doesn't govern.)

...

Siege tactics (siege strategy):

The classic (pure) siege tactic is circumvallation (a fortified, manned "earthwork" (trees, rubble, concrete, etc, may be used) completely surrounding the target of the siege -- and completely cutting it off from access (from/by anything except air, weather, etc) in or out; a double circumvallation, incorporating an outer, outward-facing circumvallation around the inner, inner-facing circumvallation, and with fortified accommodations for the besieging troops in between, being the best form to completely isolate the target, as both sortieing troops and relief forces will face manned fortifications). (Typically, more active tactics like bombardment are (also) used in a siege.)

Of course, this sort of thing takes a great of resources and time to construct and man. So partial sieges of all sorts are used, ranging from the discomfitting or discomforting (to the besieged) to the effective cut-off of necessaries, but short of complete, physical isolation.

Siege tactics (and the strategy as a whole) rely on using sickness and suffering, pain and deprivation, to wear down the besieged, weakening their physical strength (and therefore probably their resolve), and causing them to surrender (perhaps, unconditionally), put up less of a fight when attacked, or abandon what they're protecting (where they can). (Attacks of various sorts can speed up this process.)

In the case of Baghdad, I've read things that might indicate that the Sunnis (non-Kurds) are trying to isolate the city with a ring of Sunni-held territory, in addition to (at least) interdicting things considered necessary for a modern city's functioning (like electricity), if not actually necessary for life.

However, there are many Sunnis in Baghdad, and this complicates the picture. Moreover, there are a large number of Shia in Baghdad, and large numbers that live elsewhere that could conceivably act to break any siege (although protecting Baghdad's electricity supply is a pretty tall order).

More generally, the civil war raging there is, and has been, shaped by the presence of our forces. Were these forces to leave -- or dramatically change strategies -- then the nature (and therefore form) of the conflict could change fairly rapidly and dramatically. However, it might take some time for the various players to realize what these changed circumstances mean -- and to act upon it.

...

Troop escalation to deal with the problem:

The number of combat troops involved in any possible escalation will be inadequate to accomplish anything worth the cost -- and, most likely, it will accomplish nothing net-positive and lasting. (Be the total number of troops deployed 20,000, 30,000, 50,000 or 150,000.)

And any such escalation will bring additional costs, additional casualties -- and greater isolation of the Iraqi central government from the consequences of their acts. Moreover, we just don't have the necessary troops, damage has already been done to our military (etc) that will take years to fix, and we risk much greater damage by pushing the military into something the High Command apparently doesn't favor (today, maybe; tomorrow, who knows?). (Mind you, I would support sending in additional forces to expedite our departure -- if this is what they are actually used for.)

Furthermore, policing a hostile population is not what the American Military is designed and prepared for. So, sure, we can kill those who resist our (massed) attacks -- but even if we had the troops to "hold" an area, at best they could just keep a lid on things until, inevitably, we must pull out. (Iraqi security forces just can't be trusted -- and are unlikely to become trustworthy in the foreseeable future.)

Moreover, when one considers the likely use of such escalated forces (going after al-Sadr, sooner or later), a big net-negative is the expected result.

The cowboys-in-charge just cannot bring themselves to realize that they've lost; and scorning anything but "clear victory", they'll bring us worse defeat.

...

A few random observations:

a) One of the big problems In Iraq is the (historical) intermingling of different communities and the volatile nature of local relocations (these can be only stepping-stones to broader relocations).

b) Another diaspora, lost land, etc, problem is being created with displaced Iraqis. (This is a familiar, unhappy and intractable problem.)

c) While sectarian (ethnic, tribal, etc) differences are the more visible ones, it's to the benefit of the oil producing regions to cut other Iraqis out -- leaving the Sunni and Shia in the middle of the country in poor economic shape. So the North and/or South may more-or-less just abandon the middle.

d) Sunnis (Iraqi and foreign) who are conducting terror attacks upon the Shia (especially attacking holy sites) are bringing upon Iraqi Sunnis retaliation that they aren't able to deal with. And this course fosters Shiite unity against the Sunnis, which is exactly what the Sunnis don't need (whether they're just trying to exist -- or if they're trying to take back control of the country, especially the latter.)

e) It's possible that if we stay long enough, the country will have divided itself along lines that can more-or-less hold (in effect, having gotten past the worst of the relocations while we were there -- and dividing Iraq into regions, debatably with more or less harm than otherwise).

f) Beating up on and disarming the Sunnis makes them less able to deal with Shia attacks (whether by Shia militias or security forces that are effectively Shia militias). And this also has the net effect of beating up on those who are nationalists.

g) We should aim for nationalists to dominate in Iraq, because the alternatives are worse (increased influence of certain other nations).

f) We face huge problems in dealing with Iraq domestically, because many players (political, establishment, media, etc) just don't want to deal with the outcome of their past foolishness and weakness. (And they really, really, want something good to happen in Iraq, even if this means grasping fruitlessly at straws.)

g) w has no plan for victory and is probably unable to bring himself to chart the best course among our remaining options (even if such a course keeps him from losing too much face, and shifts much of the responsibility for the outcome onto others) -- but he has defined defeat (leaving Iraq short of "victory": this unknown and uncharted course and end), so we probably won't be doing that, at least as long as w (or some other neocon -- say, Cheney or McCain (a late-bloomer)) is in charge.

h) It's possible that economics may eventually force a solution upon us -- together with a whole new level of war-costs (eg, a depression, collapse of the dollar, etc).

i) Afghanistan is looking worse and worse, in no small part because the demands of the Iraq "war" eat into the available resources (that and things like the neocons not understanding that you have to make people's lives better -- not just spurt ideology and propaganda while empowering and enriching yourselves and your cronies).

...

N.b., where wasn't specified.
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