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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:20 PM
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Washington Post: President Bush plans to expand the size of U.S. military
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 05:29 PM by themartyred
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:21 PM
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1. Well how does he plan to do that?
Hey Jenna and the other one, I hear your the sound of duty calling you.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:23 PM
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5. I am so SICK of this bumbling F*CK
America literally hates the 'leadership' he's 'providing' us.

This goes against every majority polling and he's trying to destroy our way of life, not preserve it, with these kinds of decisions.

We need a BEEFED UP homeland security, Coast Guard, FEMA "front", not further worldwide warfare.

I am ashamed of him, and he does NOT represent my Christian values.

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <-- new 08 stickers and more
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:29 PM
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9. Possibly by making the Nat'l Guard serve more frequent tours, per
HArdball.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:58 AM
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87. yep, it's the Guard...that's the only option short of a Draft
and that sorry little bastard will never put the fortunate sons of the rich at risk.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:30 AM
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75. by making people poor enough that they will join to feed their families
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 11:14 AM
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90. So when are George P and Casey Bush signing up?
C'mon boys, be MEN, not Chickenshits like your dad and uncles!
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:21 PM
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2. Does that mean a draft?
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:37 PM
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19. It Is At The Point Where A Draft Is A Necessity
Or are military families just supposed to have their lives destroyed over and over again at the whims of a madman as they are redeployed and redeployed and redeployed?

I hate that petulant little bastard. What a scum-sucking, spoiled little brat he is. The American people have made it known that the war is to end, that the troops are to come home, and like the constantly masturbating, pimple-faced greasy teenager that he is, he is hell bent on doing the exact opposite. He's like the little brat in Kramer Vs. Kramer with the ice cream. I'll tell you, what the man needs is a good spanking, by way of impeachment.

Impeachment. NOW.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:44 PM
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26. Bravo!
I couldn't agree more. There are very few people that are worth the amount of emotion behind hate- real hate- but Bushie Boy wins everytime. I hate his arrogance, I hate that he stole his elections, and most of all I hate what he has done to our beloved country which may be FUBAR!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:57 AM
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78. ABSOLUTELY, maggiegault, and Welcome to DU!!!
Another voice added to the growing chorus of "IMPEACHMENT. NOW."

If we don't bring this asshole to justice, then EVERY person he sent to his/her death will have died IN VAIN. It's the ONLY way to make their sacrifice mean ANYTHING.

IMPEACHMENT, and then REMOVAL FROM OFFICE. With a tandem IMPEACHMENT of dick cheney.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 03:39 AM
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82. constantly masturbating, pimple-faced greasy teenager= Pierce Bush
Nephew to the Awol Chimpanzee


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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:38 PM
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92. Oh, I Didn't Need To See That Today...
...haven't heard from my brother in three weeks, and his Christmas package didn't make it overseas, for some reason. It may mean that his unit is on the move and he hasn't had the chance to tell us all about it yet.

May I please post this photo on my own personal blog? I would give you full credit, of course. That is, may I post it after I destroy a couple of inanimate objects in a supreme fit of frustration and rage.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 11:03 AM
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88. Conyers and Rangel need to get their Draft bill center stage...
if little lord pissy-pants wants more troops then EVERYONE in this Country needs to be involved...
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 08:48 AM
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86. Bush to reportedly speak about escalation, 10 a.m. Wednesday
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 08:49 AM by Efilroft Sul
It's Bush's way of saying Merry Christmas to the troops.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:21 PM
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3. Oh? Jenna, Babs & George P. included?
I'm not holding my breath.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:30 PM
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13. Saw a great bumber sticker about that the other day
"We need to find a florist who can send a couple of bushes to Iraq."

I got a good chuckle out of that one.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:32 AM
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76. I saw one that said "I'm already opposed to the next war".
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:22 PM
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4. He can't do it on his own. Congress needs to OK any increases in endstrength.
There is wiggle room to "rob Peter to pay Paul" by, say, decimating the Navy and the Air Force to plus up the USA and USMC, and shifting reservists to ACDU and vice versa, but the bottom line, the grand total number of bodies, is a Congressionally-mandated, not a Chimp-mandated, figure.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:23 PM
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6. Is he going to make all the soldiers fatter? nt
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:25 PM
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7. the LAST thing America needs is more military and militarism....
This madness must stop!
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:36 AM
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77. It's morally wrong, counterproductive, and we can't afford it.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:26 PM
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8. WaPo: Bush to Expand Size of Military
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 05:28 PM by Eugene
Bush to Expand Size of Military

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 19, 2006; 4:18 PM

President Bush said today that he plans to expand the size of the U.S. military
to meet the challenges of a long-term global war against terrorists, a response
to warnings that sustained deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan have stretched
the armed forces to near the breaking point.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Bush said he has instructed newly
sworn-in Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates to report back to him with a plan
to increase ground forces. The president gave no estimates about how many troops
may be added but indicated that he agreed with suggestions in the Pentagon and
on Capitol Hill that the current military is stretched too thin to cope with the
demands placed on it.

"I'm inclined to believe that we do need to increase our troops -- the Army,
the Marines," Bush said in the Oval Office session. "And I talked about this
to Secretary Gates and he is going to spend some time talking to the folks
in the building, come back with a recommendation to me about how to proceed
forward on this idea."

-snip-

A substantial military expansion will take years and would not be meaningful
in the near term in Iraq. But it would begin to address the growing alarm
among commanders about the state of the armed forces.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/19/AR2006121900880.html

I'm afraid that planned "surge" in IraqNam is really a general escalation.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:30 PM
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10. tx! n/t
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:35 PM
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16. What? Meeting the challenges of the War against
himself?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:30 PM
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11. A link to the story, and an explanation--he's increasing GROUND forces
i.e., cannon fodder, and without a blessing from Congress, it will be a 'rob Peter, pay Paul' exercise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/19/AR2006121900880.html

In an interview with The Washington Post, Bush said he has instructed newly sworn-in Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates to report back to him with a plan to increase ground forces. The president gave no estimates about how many troops may be added but indicated that he agreed with suggestions in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill that the current military is stretched too thin to cope with the demands placed on it.

"I'm inclined to believe that we do need to increase our troops -- the Army, the Marines," Bush said in the Oval Office session. "And I talked about this to Secretary Gates and he is going to spend some time talking to the folks in the building, come back with a recommendation to me about how to proceed forward on this idea."

The president's decision comes at a time when he is rethinking his strategy in Iraq and considering, among other options, a short-term surge in troop levels to try to secure violence-torn Baghdad. The Joint Chiefs of Staff are resisting the idea...A substantial military expansion will take years and would not be meaningful in the near term in Iraq. But it would begin to address the growing alarm among commanders about the state of the armed forces. Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, the Army's chief of staff, warned Congress last week that the active-duty Army "will break" under the strain of today's war-zone rotations. Former secretary of state Colin L. Powell, a retired chairman of the Joint Chiefs, said on CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday that "the active Army is about broken."

The Army has already temporarily increased its size from 482,000 active-duty soldiers in 2001 to 507,000 today and soon to 512,000. But the Army wants to make that 30,000-soldier increase permanent and then grow an additional 7,000 soldiers or more per year. The Army estimates that every 10,000 additional soldiers will cost about $1.2 billion a year....


Kiss all those shore-based jobs in the USN and USAF goodbye...and watch the civilian component of those Services increase by leaps and bounds!

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:33 PM
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15. umm. Instead of a DEcreased role of the Military---now HE wants more.!!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:00 PM
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30. yeah
he's thumbing his nose at us. little *&%&^&*
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:30 PM
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12. He can "plan" all he wants...
What happens when the warm bodies don't rush to enlist en masse?

I "plan" to become a millionaire by the end of 2007.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:31 PM
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14. This country is run by warlords....
:scared:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:36 PM
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17. violent, evil men... n/t
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:37 PM
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18. The question is, how can the military be expanded without bankrupting the country?
Recruitment bonuses, re-enlistment bonuses and promises of college education payments are already costing tens of billions.

How much more can be promised before the entire system collapses?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:43 PM
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24. he wants the dems and repugs to work with him!


......Asked about Powell's assessment, Bush chose a different term. "I haven't heard the word 'broken,' " he said, "but I've heard the word, 'stressed.' . . . We need to reset our military. There's no question the military has been used a lot. And the fundamental question is, will Republicans and Democrats be able to work with the administration to assure our military and the American people that we will position our military so that it is ready and able to stay engaged in a long war?"
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:48 PM
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27. I think in some weird way
he is hoping to do exactly that! To bankrupt us all! Maybe that's the real reason behind the Paraguay estate deal!Just buttf##K us all and then leave the country. Oh, he'll have plenty stashed away for his family. Take the money and Run!
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:52 PM
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28. Shrink the size of government and drown it in the bathtub
Those famous words were spoken by Grover Norquest, neo-con and Bush confidant.

Bush will insist social programs have to be cut to pay for the military.

Let's hope the Democrats stand up against him.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:38 PM
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20. more:



In describing his decision today, Bush tied it to the broader struggle against Islamic extremists around the world rather than Iraq specifically. "It is an accurate reflection that this ideological war we're in is going to last for a while and that we're going to need a military that's capable of being able to sustain our efforts and to help us achieve peace," he said.

Asked about Powell's assessment, Bush chose a different term. "I haven't heard the word 'broken,' " he said, "but I've heard the word, 'stressed.' . . . We need to reset our military. There's no question the military has been used a lot. And the fundamental question is, will Republicans and Democrats be able to work with the administration to assure our military and the American people that we will position our military so that it is ready and able to stay engaged in a long war?"

Bush said he has not yet made a decision about a new strategy for Iraq and would wait for Gates to make a trip to Iraq to assess the situation for himself. "I need to talk to him when he gets back," the president said. "I've got more consultations to do with the national security team, which will be consulting with other folks. And I'm going to take my time to make sure that the policy, when it comes out, the American people will see that we . . . have got a new way forward."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:39 PM
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21. you can listen to our Prezzzz here:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:40 PM
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22. He is really bumbling---just listen
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:42 PM
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23. It's time to cut off his funding . This F**khead wants to engage the USA in endless war.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:44 PM
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25. ......in a long war?"
Asked about Powell's assessment, Bush chose a different term. "I haven't heard the word 'broken,' " he said, "but I've heard the word, 'stressed.' . . . We need to reset our military. There's no question the military has been used a lot. And the fundamental question is, will Republicans and Democrats be able to work with the administration to assure our military and the American people that we will position our military so that it is ready and able to stay engaged in a long war?"
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:20 PM
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32. "We need to 'reset' our military."
So now he's got a magic reset button that will fix everything??

Someone, please...shoot me now.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:55 PM
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29. Worse than that motherfucker Reagan
(5 words that I never thought I would have reason to utter)
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:03 PM
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31. maybe that's the real reason
he wants all the illegals here. cannon fodder.
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:28 PM
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34. No, the illegals get
all the jobs our guys and gals leave behind.

Thumbing his nose is correct. He is the decider lest we all forget and he has decided to screw us all while he and dead eye rake in the war profiteering. They stink and they are evil, evil men.

Send his bratty daughters and all the Bush kids to fight and I would bet the damn war would end in a day...course we all know fright white momma would never stand for her precious grandbabies to get dirty - too bad she doesn't recognize whores when she sees them.

And Ms Pickles can take her f'g cancer pimple and shove it. What a big deal over a mole...and my father has the same kind of cancer she does and he don't walk around with bandaids crying boo hoo or hiding it. Life is life.

I sincerely hope the new Congress does something about this pig and all his piglets before it is entirely too late for this country.
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:44 PM
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93. This Needs To Become A Movement
And while it needs to focus on the Bush brats, it also needs to involve ALL children of those in Congress who voted for this war, and who continue to enable AWOL's war for oil where stand-up, brave men and women continue to lose their lives.

I'm serious. We need to make this a movement, we need to get activist groups involved with the cause, and we need to sing it like a chorus of a song you cannot get out of your head: "Want to escalate the troops? Send the Bush brats first."

Or

"Why Does Pierce Bush Not Love His Country?"

"Pierce Bush: Supporting Our Troops, One Frat Party At A Time."

Or here's an idea: take some of the remarkable biographical details of any one of our 3000 murdered troops and compare it against the "credentials" of the Bush children. Eye opening, I am sure.

The Bush clan knows no shame, but their handlers/enablers are indeed sensitive to the popular sentiment. We need to get this out in the forefront, now.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:21 PM
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33. Is it me, or
is it getting drafty?
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:31 PM
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35. He is willing
to sacrifice every man, woman, and child in our country, and the Middle East, in order to sate his bloated ego. We don't need a bigger military, we need more diplomacy, and to rethink the way we engage with the rest of the world. He refuses to consider any diplomatic solutions, because he refuses to compromise one single bit. He wants things his way, and will destroy this country to do it.

All he's thinking about is his delusion of being known as a great "war president", and he will mow down anybody who stands in the way. He has never been told no in his life about anything, never had to face the consequences of his actions, and refuses to start now. If the threat were truly as serious as he says, he would be rolling back the wealthy's tax cuts in order to pay for such a build up of forces. If this were truly a life and death kind of struggle, no sacrifice, including paying enough in taxes, and making his daughters serve, would be too much to ask.

As it is, this is all some dry drunk's diseased brain telling him what to do, and to hell with the ones who get hurt. Diplomacy would include a give and take, and for him, the only thing he knows is how to take.
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rail Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:34 PM
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36. If he's worried about Islamic terror groups, why increase the military and not police or intel?
"In describing his decision today, Bush tied it to the broader struggle against Islamic extremists around the world rather than Iraq specifically. 'It is an accurate reflection that this ideological war we're in is going to last for a while and that we're going to need a military that's capable of being able to sustain our efforts and to help us achieve peace,' he said."

...and how's upping the size of the military going to help, shrubby? All of the major cases cited of thwarting extremist "Islamic" terror groups in the past five years, here and abroad, involved localized police and intelligence agencies. Nowhere has it been shown that military force prevented the advance of any terror group, rather the inverse might be claimed.

Nonetheless, if there's one thing W knows how to do, it's needlessly increase the size of government. Rather than seek a size of government adequate and appropriate to conduct its affairs, duties and responsibilities; this administration has a rich history of either hiking up the size to cover failed policies (e.g., cover economy based job losses, more fodder for a wrongheaded invasion/occupation) or seeking to ill-conceived cuts to the size in order to increase tax handouts/effectively buy public or corporate support.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:56 PM
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37. Kick.
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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soulcore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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38. Washington Post: President Bush plans to expand the size of U.S. military
Breaking banner on MSNBC.com
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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39. Oh bother...
:wtf:
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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40. Draft every "man" between 18 and 25 who has voted Republican.
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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42. bring on the ...
draft...scream for enlistments of the Bush & Cheney children...or face the revolution...time for IMPEACHMENT!!...
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 11:43 AM
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91. 18 & 50
and tax those over 50 directly for the increased costs. since all they care about is their tax rate, my parents will be screaming for peace.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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41. Barb and Jenna


...that's 2, then there's the nieces and nephews.

Cheers
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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43. I thought the whole thing was to make the military lean.
Boy these fuckers are batting 1k.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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44. The gateway has been opened to an 11% approval rating on Vietraq War.
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 06:50 PM by roamer65
Soon it will match the 11% that agree with increasing troops in Vietraq. Raisinbrain's numbers will be in the low 20's very soon.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:11 AM
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50. And? Then what?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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45. bush plans to waste increasing billions of our tax dollars. n/t
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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46. Cheney and * agree
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 06:52 PM by NeoConsSuck
there are so many other oil fields to conquer, so few men.

BTW, here is a link:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/19/bush.troops/index.html

edited for link
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:11 PM
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47. Calling All Freepers!
Here's your chance to live out your perverted fantasies about killing A-rabs!

Although, how are they going to make the military any bigger? I mean, you basically have to be breathing and heterosexual to get in these days. Maybe they're finally going to get rid of Don't Ask, Don't Tell?

:rofl:

Sorry. Was thinking like a realist and not a Crazy Gay-Hating Fundie for a moment there.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 07:42 PM
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48. Funny, BBC focus is different...
Bush considers US force expansion

US President George W Bush is considering a short-term increase in the size of the US force in Iraq, the White House has confirmed.

In a newspaper interview, Mr Bush also said he planned to expand the size of the military to deal with the broader, long-term fight against terrorism.

The new Defence Secretary Robert Gates has been asked to assess the idea.

On Monday, the Pentagon said violence in Iraq was at its highest since the country regained sovereignty in 2004.

...

A temporary deployment of extra troops in Iraq was "something that's being explored" as Mr Bush considers his strategy on Iraq, White House spokesman Tony Snow said.

BBC

The BBC story is focused on 'the more troops to Iraq' aspect...I guess McCain got his way.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:05 AM
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49. for the late night...
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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51. Kick.
:kick:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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52. Bush Plans to Put More Troops in Iraq
Bush Plans to Put More Troops in Iraq
Dec 19 4:56 PM US/Eastern

President Bush, working to recraft his strategy in Iraq, said Tuesday that he plans to increase the size of the U.S. military so it can fight a long-term war against terrorism.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Bush said he has asked his new defense chief, Robert Gates, to report back to him with a plan to increase ground forces. The president did not say how many troops might be added, but said he agreed with officials in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill that the current military is being stretched too thin to deal with demands of fighting terrorism.

"I'm inclined to believe that we do need to increase our troops _ the Army, the Marines," Bush said in the Oval Office session. "And I talked about this to Secretary Gates and he is going to spend some time talking to the folks in the building, come back with a recommendation to me about how to proceed forward on this idea."

Top generals have expressed concern that even temporarily shipping thousands of more troops would be largely ineffective in the absence of bold new political and economic steps, and that it would leave the already stretched Army and Marines Corps even thinner once the surge ended.

<SNIP>

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/19/D8M460900.html
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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53. It is now official ...
... W is insane.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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54. Someone appropriately said this is like a drunken, broken sailor "doubling down" on a losing hand.
n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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63. Yep, doubling down on a pair of 3s.
It's beyond belief, really.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #53
59. If this doesn't change the minds of anti-impeachment folks...
...nothing will.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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64. Insane or brilliant?
Doesn't it seem odd that even though the media miraculously (and belatedly) wakes up to the failures in Iraq, even though a bi-partison committee is formed (supposedly as part of a father-son showdown), even though our allies have, for the most part left us, WE STILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE IRAQ DEBACLE. Why anyone would want to continue such folly (in the face of the high price in blood and treasure) is beyond me. Yet still, George prevails. Idiotic or brilliant?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:17 AM
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70. Why anyone would want to continue such folly? Answer:
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 11:21 PM by Amonester
The ones who want to continue R:

Helliburton, ExxonMobil, Chevron and all...
Darth Chenyous, AwOL Chimpy, CONdiLiesA, and all...
They've been making a killing ever since that folly began.

Why would they want to stop such golden opportunity?
Nobody can stop them anyway... and they know it.

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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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55. I really REALLY hate to say this, but...
we need a coup. The military needs to remove this insane idiot and his cabal.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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65. Watch out what you wish for...
because you just might get it.

There is nothing by the way democratic or progressive in a military coup, not to mention a long tradition against it in our military, that I for one would not like to see broken.

It is anyway a possibility that's remote in the extreme. IMHO, the point of the OP is that by "building up" the military, actually new-speak for what's really a large pay-off to the brass, the chimp-eror's buys their support for a mad attempt to stave-off the inevitable, even pave the way for further insanity in the Iran.
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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68. Yeah, I know
:( The whole deal would be contingent on the brass handing over power 5 minutes after the coup in question, which would not happen.

But they could refuse insane orders - they're actually allowed to do that, IIRC. And it would make Banana Boy pitch a full-on public meltdown, where there would be no doubt that he needs to be not there.

I just don't know. :( :scared:
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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56. Where the hell is going to get these troops? Mexico?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 03:44 AM
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83. Yes, Mexico, they are heading NORTH to enlist
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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57. Actually he will achieve this by keeping them there longer
while adding troops that are already scheduled for rotation, he will revoke the trips home for those who were scheduled to come home in the coming months.

Killing more to provide an excuse to proclaim those who have already died not in vein.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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58. What this means is bush is going to do the Saudi's work for them .....
... and take sides in the Civil war and go after Muqtada al-Sadr
and his Sadr Army. Because that is what the Saudis told Dick Cheney
to do when they told him to fly over there for a meeting.


he plans to increase the size of the U.S. military so it can fight a long-term war against terrorism. aka
Bush plans to stay in Iraq.

Impeach his ASS ASAP
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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61. Apparently impeachment is the only option to long term
total, all out war bush has in mind....

Does Congress have the backbone for this???
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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60. Sounds like the last days of Hitler, no sacrifice too great for the
....victory by the Homeland.....as long as Bush does not have to make the sacrifices!
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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62. Impeach, Impeach, Impeach
It's obvious he is so far out of touch with the wishes of the United States population we (the citizenry through our elected officials) must force his hand. Impeach, impeach,impeach.....................
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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66. at bottom of hole and still digging
Bubble Boy and his Bubble Administration are loopy. Where are they going to get the extra troops? I just heard His Bubbleness blathering about more troops...will he start a draft to get them?

Hooo boy, I see uglyness coming from this.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:16 AM
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67. But Still No Gays In the Military!
Hey, you can be a sociopath, a child-rapist, a 42-year-old, but you can't be QUEER if you want to join the Army!
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:17 AM
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69. But can you still be drafted? n/t
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:17 AM
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71. Use a bushco tactic here:
Linc anti-impeachment to a growing risk of future terrorist attacks! Play their fear card right back at them!
(Restated from a different post but bears repeating)
Do you spend your time putting out SOME of the brushfires while giving pass to the fire-starter who openly discusses setting even more? Bushco has set TOO MANY brushfires worldwide, those burning in those brushfires blame us, AMERICA, that is YOU and I folks. In their eyes WE THE PEOPLE are complicit here and if we DON'T impeach bushco then those folks will be proven right. I don't know about you, but I for one am tired of living with a target on my back painted there by the bush crime family. By not impeaching these criminals that target grows larger...MUCH LARGER. Impeachment is now a matter of Homeland Security, a matter which IS in our hands.

I grew up as a "duck and cover" child, many of you here know about that fear, is this what we are allowing ourselves to return to thanks to the bushcons? Does anyone here want their children growing up with that fear in the back of their minds, do you intend to stop going out to the mall because of the fear of suicide bombers...how safe are you going to feel at the Superbowl...do you frequent tall buildings? Think about it. By impeaching bushco for their crimes we send a clear message to the world: WE THE PEOPLE CONDEMN what these criminals have done. The other message we send is that DEMOCRACY is yet alive and well in AMERICA. The third message we send is that WE CAN POLICE our own problems.

So by linking the need for impeachment to the "war on terror" we twist a rove-ian trick to our advantage but with one crucial difference: No lies are being told here. Regardless of how you or I may feel about the bush evil empire we will be held accountable by a goodly portion of the Middle East, they won't care that we were loyal members of the Democratic Underground. If they should ask: "What did YOU do to stop bush", what will your answer be? IMPEACHMENT is the best first step. The ball is in OUR court America, the WHOLE WORLD is watching. Oh and lest I forget: "Remember 9-11?"
Send more troops my ass....BRING THEM HOME DAMNIT!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:17 AM
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72. He's not talking surge here
he's talking about increasing the troop level until we "win", and I have no idea what he means by win. It's not a goal we can accomplish with the military, but Bush is trying to whip his stunted little dick out, and compare it to every other guy's. He thinks that with the backup, and sacrifice, of thousands of our sons and daughters, he'll win the game. Moron.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:28 AM
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73. Now the WP has changed the headline:
U.S. Not Winning War in Iraq, Bush Says for 1st Time
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San Diego Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:29 AM
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74. How does he plan on doing that? Opening another dozen bags of plastic soldiers?
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:00 AM
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79. Article Title Has Changed: Now it's Bush Saying "We're Not Winning"


Yes, yes, he also qualified that statement with the ass-covering "BUUUT we're not losing", but still. . .
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 03:20 AM
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80. K/R
:bounce:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 03:35 AM
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81. The only answer for this Crap is Insane Bullyness...Out of Control, Out of Ideas, Out of Touch
The man is Amoral, lacking of Emphathy, Lies, Cheats, Steals, and is void of Sanity/Reality/Common Sense/and Reason.....forget Logic.

He is expanding his Hate for the GOP....he is doing everything to Hamper/Hurt/Destroy the GOP.....
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 05:26 AM
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84. The bit that you want to worry about is this ...
> "... position our military so that it is ready and able to stay
> engaged in a long war"

This is his stated plan in his own words - he means it.
He doesn't see Iraq as the end, just as another phase in the conquest
of the Middle East.

Don't get so focussed on the numbers, it is the scale of the ongoing
campaign that needs the spotlight.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 08:15 AM
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85. He promises endless War to win Peace....
Yes, I caught that bit this morning.

In describing his decision, Bush tied it to the broader struggle against Islamic extremists around the world rather than to Iraq specifically. "It is an accurate reflection that this ideological war we're in is going to last for a while and that we're going to need a military that's capable of being able to sustain our efforts and to help us achieve peace," he said.

How can you make War on an Ideology? It will have as much success as the War on Drugs.

The CBS Early News lady discussed the new "plan" with a retired Major this AM. I kept hoping to hear "that crazy little pissant"--but they both spoke reasonably about this insult to reason. (No doubt, the Major has already requested a return to active duty.)

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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 11:11 AM
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89. You think maybe he's pissed about the pukes loosing and this is......
REVENGE ON THE POOR who would actually be called up to go to Iraq. Because everyone here knows none of his friends kids or his for that matter even know there is a war going on.
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