Murtha: U.S. has lost 'militarily' in Iraq

[rodeodance]

Glad to see he is still on the ball with this.


http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/

Tuesday, December 19, 2006
Murtha: U.S. has lost 'militarily' in Iraq

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Renewing his calls for a complete troop withdrawal from Iraq, Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pennsylvania, told CNN Tuesday he believes America has lost in the region "militarily."

"Militarily we have lost -- there is no question about it, we cannot win this militarily." Murtha told Wolf Blitzer on the "Situation Room."
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"There is no way the United States can solve this problem," Murtha said. "We have gotten so far out and we have missed our opportunity, if we ever had an opportunity early on, to stabilize Iraq. Since we didn't do it then, it cannot be done now."

Murtha also sharply criticized the recommendation of sending more troops to Iraq. "They don't have an achievable mission -- a defined mission which they can point to," he said. "What's the point in sending another 40,000 troops?"

[ckramer]

1. I wish the executive branch listen to him

Nothing but truth.

[IndianaGreen]

5. Like Hitler before him, Bush will listen to no one, and he wants his Gotterdamerung

and he will lead our troops into a funeral pyre thinking that it was G-d's will that compelled him to do so.

[bahrbearian]

18. You made me search.

Göt·ter·däm·mer·ung Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. German Mythology. the destruction of the gods and of all things in a final battle with evil powers: erroneous modern translation of the Old Icelandic Ragnarǫk, meaning “fate of the gods,” misunderstood as Ragnarökkr, meaning “twilight of the gods.”

[Uncle Joe]

24. Thanks for the translation bahrbearian,

I thought it meant baby pacifier

[bahrbearian]

25. LOL N/T

[Solly Mack]

2. America lost "militarily" on October 11, 2002

America cemented that loss on March 19, 2003

America lost "militarily" the very second someone opined that they could recapture the unity of the "greatest generation" by manufacturing a global "war on terror" that would rally the people behind the actions of government.

America lost "militarily" the very instant someone decided the answer to a criminal act was to wage war.

America lost.Period.

[IndianaGreen]

6. But we have men and women politicians that think it is weakness

to admit mistake. Very few have called for bringing the troops home now. Even Harry Reed said that he would go along with a limited troop surge.

The American people voted for Democrats to end the war, not become a party to it!

[Solly Mack]

7. But which is actually weak? Those that would continue with the lies

or those willing to admit the truth, no matter how ugly?


The weak are those who refuse to tell the truth about Iraq. The weak are those who fear for America's "image" by refusing to admit the obvious - that we should have never invaded Iraq and that there is no "victory", by any definition, to be had in Iraq.

Americans want out of Iraq - any politician that thinks otherwise is a politician intent on selling a lie.

[IndianaGreen]

10. War is easy, fighting for peace is hard

Easy to order troops into battle. It is harder to fight for peace.

Clinton worked hard for peace in the Middle East. Bush ignored the peace process because it was hard work.

And a certain woman that wants to be President thinks that in order to be tough, she has to repeat the same mistakes the men have made about Iraq.

Murtha is as right about Iraq as McGovern was about Vietnam. It is no coincidence that Murtha and McGovern are decorated war heroes.

[Solly Mack]

12. Murtha's statement is right - but I think we lost before it even began

because we should have never invaded to begin with...and because we invaded for lies and trumped up evidence. Because Bush was President - that alone should have been a caution to everyone.

[llmart]

15. Very true.

As someone so profound as Marvin Gaye said long ago when I was a young woman "War is not the answer."

[0rganism]

20. and politically on January 6, 2001

everything since has been inevitable consequence.

[NVMojo]

3. we lost before the mission was "accomplished" unless it was that we lost

[MGD]

4. Jack Murtha claims defeat in Iraq? What a shocking development.

I'm stunned. :rofl:

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[unkachuck]

9. thank you, Jack....

....you'd make one-hellava Secretary of Defense, a Secretary who would actually care about his troops....

[MadMaddie]

11. Murtha would only be saying this if the Active brass are telling

him this.....they know that this is Vietraq and they want to get the hell out...The TetIraq offensive is coming....and they know it...

[tabasco]

16. I say you are correct and I am very happy the generals have

someone courageous and honest enough to TELL THE TRUTH to the American people.

[ShockediSay]

13. Powell said pretty much the same thing to Bob Schiefer Sunday

What's the mission? How is it defined? Is it achievable? Powell didn't see it.

[Vidar]

14. Needs to be said & repeated constantly. Kudos to Murtha.

[rodeodance]

17. yes, but in listening to Bush pressy today---It seems He has not heard.

[oblivious]

19. Lost militarily, morally, financially, politcally ... Are there any more ways to lose a war?

[Barrett808]

22. Sure -- we could have our own Dunkirk-style debacle

If the Shi'a cut off the supply line from the south, for example.

[Morgana LaFey]

21. WE cannot stabilize Iraq

And remember, folks, the Pentagon generals -- and maybe even Joint Chiefs -- have his ear. That's not JUST his own analysis, not by a long shot.

[IndyOp]

23. The Republicans have lost militarily in Iraq.

The REPUBLICAN Iraq occupation failure.

The REPUBLICAN economic failure.

Brand it REPUBLICAN Jack = Do not say WE, the United States, or US -- the REPUBLICAN failure...

:(

[flyarm]

26. BEFORE BUSH STARTED THIS WAR I REMEMBER POSTING OVER AND OVER..

THAT AN OFFICE FOR RECONSTRUCTION oF IRAQ WAS ONLY OPENED 3 weeks before bush started shock and awe!!

and i knew then this was a doomed mission...i could not understand the dems sitting quiet about it..the only one in congress that questioned it and got publically mad about it was John Kerry!

everyone else in congress was silent about it!

the military spoke out a slight bit..the cia retired spooks were pissed about it but could get no traction from the msm..

but i remember Kerry coming out pissed about it..

this administration never wanted peace..it was not in the plans or agenda!!

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