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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:25 PM
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BREAKING: (PA) Slots Decision in - GETTYSBURG DENIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.wgal.com/news/10573532/detail.html


HARRISBURG, Pa. -- The state Gaming Control Board voted today to deny a license to a group that was seeking to build a slots casino and hotel near Gettysburg.

The Crossroads Gaming Group wanted to build a $300 million complex on a site about 4 miles away from the Civil War battlefield. It appears now that will not happen. However, the casino backers do have the right to appeal the board's decision. It's not clear yet whether they will do that.

And The Winners Are...

The board awarded five slots licenses for casino projects in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Bethlehem and the Pocono Mountains.

Two Philadelphia licenses went to groups led by billionaire developer Neil Bluhm and by Connecticut-based Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Nation. In Pittsburgh, the board awarded a license to Detroit-based casino developer Don Barden.




YES!!!!! THANK YOU GAMING CONTROL BOARD!!!!!
:party: :party: :toast: :party: :party: :party: :toast: :toast: :party: :toast: :party: :toast:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:27 PM
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1. WOO HOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the post -
my roots are there; Dad's family owned The Trostle Farm. I am so happy to hear slots won't be ruining Gettysburg. :toast:
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:29 PM
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2. They're going to ruin Philadelphia instead
This whole thing is a nightmare.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:31 PM
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6. got that right
one of the original ideas was to put it in Nazareth, across the street from a MIDDLE SCHOOL!
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:29 PM
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3. i know, so glad cooler heads prevailed
perhaps this is the beginning of the end to the commercialization of the battlefield
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:29 PM
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4. Geez-- where next? Arlington Cemetary?
I didn't know about this attempt to have casinos near Gettysburg. What an obscene idea... Thanks for the post.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:30 PM
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5. seriously, nucking futs!
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:17 PM
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13. where next
And after Arlington, Pearl Harbor!!!
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:33 PM
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7. How many casinos do we need?
:grr:

There are too many of the already!
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:34 PM
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8. Thank God...why these developers...
Always feel the need to try and build on the .0001% of the country dedicated to historical preservation is just beyond me...

Thay have no shame!!!

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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:40 PM
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9. Here is the Post-Gazette Story on this:
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 12:42 PM by happyslug
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06354/747581-100.stm

Looks like the opposition from the hill worked, the Casino in Pittsburgh will be on the North Side. I wonder if the Rooneys had anything to do with this decision?

Other Stories:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06354/747582-336.stm
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:25 PM
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15. Stupid decision for Pittsburgh.
Yay, let's put the casino on the North Shore next to the children's science center! Yay, it'll be a traffic nightmare!

Stupid.

Isle of Capri should've won. At least they promised to help build a new arena for the Penguins, guarantee the team would stay in the city for 20 years no matter who the owner was, and roll money back into the Hill District to revitalize it. People protesting the casino from the Hill have their heads up their asses. Money generated from the casino might've meant they'd get a grocery store and pharmacy and other businesses moving in.

What did the other two bidders promise? Jack. Nothing. And now the state is dictating where the casino gets to be built, even if it's against Pittsburgh's economic interests. How this was a unanimous decision is beyond me. If Pittsburgh's mayor and city council don't stand side by side with Mario Lemieux to protest this decision, the city deserves to sink to third-rate status.
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:40 PM
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16. Slight correction to previous post.
From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06354/747594-100.stm

The state board chose a proposal by PITG Gaming for a North Side parlor over a bid by Isle of Capri for a Hill District site. Isle of Capri had pledged $290 million toward arena construction and had an agreement with the Penguins.

PITG's Don Barden has agreed to provide $7.5 million a year for 30 years for an arena, and he has also pledged to help redevelop the Lower Hill District.

***

PITG promises $225 million over 30 years compared to IOC's $290 million for the length of a new arena's construction. And that means local funds will foot most of the bill for the new arena.

Who on the state gaming board is looking out for Pittsburgh's taxpayers? Who's looking out for the children when the casino will be placed next to their science center? Who the hell on the state gaming board thought PITG had a superior plan?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:41 PM
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10. What aren't the CASINOS in AC close enough for Philly?
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 12:41 PM by 48percenter
Oh now I get it. PA wants the revenue. Let's put one shaped like the Liberty Bell in near Independence Hall!!!



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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:02 PM
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11. I expect all of these to fail from a State Revenue point of View.
Casinos only profit an area or State if they draw from a wider area then the Region they are located in. For Example Las Vegas draws not only from California and the West, but the rest of the Country as while as from overseas. Atlantic City Draws from the East Coast (and I have seen trips to Atlantic City from Western Pennsylvania).

If a Casino does NOT drag people in from outside its Metropolitan Statical Area (MSA), the costs of having the Casino, (Increase Police, Increase Gambling Addiction etc) more than offset the revenue the state gets by permitting the Casino. This is why almost all State made such Casinos illegal around 1900, the Social Costs exceeded they revenue gains. The sole exception if you drew from areas outside your Metropolitan Statical Area MSA).

The problem is how outside of the Pittsburgh Metropolitan Statistical Are (MSA) will go to the Pittsburgh Casinos? The same with the Philadelphia MSA? Atlantic City is just across New Jersey. The ones in the Middle of the state have the same problem GIVEN YOU ALSO HAVE CASINOS IN PITTSBURGH AND PHILADELPHIA.

Thus these Casino will NOT bring in the revenue everyone is saying they will. The Casinos will be profitable, but the State and the Local Government will be paying more than both receive from the revenue of the Casinos.

For more information see the following (Most of Which are Anti-Gambling Sites):
http://www.casinowatch.org/costs/gambling_costs_mo.html

http://www.casinowatch.org/index.html

http://www.news.uiuc.edu/biztips/01/10gamble.html
http://news.mainetoday.com/indepth/gambling/030604casino.shtml
http://news.mainetoday.com/indepth/gambling/030914chuck.shtml
http://woodrow.mpls.frb.fed.us/pubs/fedgaz/03-03/milking.cfm
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:15 PM
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12. Yeah and stay tuned RE: Pitt
The Native Americans in parts of Ohio have a lawsuit pending vs. State to allow casinos along the Ohio River and in Butler/Warren counties. So many people in the Cinci MSA and Columbus MSA will head south and probably not East.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 03:19 PM
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17. About ten years ago they look at Pennsylvania
But Pennsylvania had made all of its Agreements with the Indians prior to 1792, thus only one section of the State near Erie was subject to the Indians Non-intercourse Act of 1790 (This was in the area around Erie). Furthermore in 1792 Pennsylvania followed the dictates of that Law and received Federal Permission to buy the last Indian lands in Pennsylvania in 1792. Thus Indian Casinos could NOT be opened in Pennsylvania for we have NO lands "reserved" for Indians independent of State Control and they are NO recognized Indian Tribes within the State of Pennsylvania. Thus the Indians have to look at Ohio or New York for possible sites.

More on the Indian Non-Intercourse Law:
http://users.sisqtel.net/armstrng/Indlegis.htm

Indian Tribes:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/pennsylvania/index.htm

Indian Tribes in Pennsylvania:
http://www.focusanthro.org/essays0405/andreafrantz0405.htm#penn
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:17 PM
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14. One-armed bandits... Civil War battlefield... what is wrong with this picture?
:eyes: Good job PA.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 03:22 PM
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18. "Sink your dollars into Sunken Lane Slots! "
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 03:22 PM by lapfog_1
"Try your luck with the Little Round Top roulette!"

They sure missed out on some great gaming tie-ins with the Civil War...


:sarcasm:
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