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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 03:37 PM
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Report: Spanish surgeon rushed to treat Castro
Report: Spanish surgeon rushed to treat Castro

Intestinal specialist, medical equipment flown to Cuba, Spanish paper says

MADRID - A renowned Spanish surgeon has been rushed to Cuba to try to stop a steady deterioration in Fidel Castro’s health, a Spanish newspaper reported on Sunday.

Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, an intestinal specialist, traveled to the Caribbean island on Thursday on an aircraft chartered by the Cuban government, according to Spain’s left-leaning El Periodico de Catalunya.

Garcia Sabrido was due to carry out tests on Castro to see if he needs another operation after undergoing emergency surgery for intestinal bleeding in July, the newspaper said, citing hospital sources.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16346039/
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 03:43 PM
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1. Oh no. I have mixed feelings about Castro but hope his health
and comfort improve.

I fear for Cuba when he goes being, like Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States. :(
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 03:49 PM
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2. I hope the country establishes quickly in unmistakable terms its determination
to continue its path WITHOUT Bush's control. His family may have gotten involved with Cuban "exiles" from before the time of the Bay of Pigs onward, but his family isn't important enough to control U.S. policy on Cuba, and by God, has no business poking a long, gnarly snout into Cuba's internal life.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 03:53 PM
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3. Bush will exploit Fidel's death to bolster his sagging poll numbers
Considering how desperate our Decider has become he might start another foolish military adventure, this time closer to home.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 04:03 PM
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5. Anything he can exploit as an excuse, he'll grab in a flash.
He is lagging behind Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and his dad in their records of causing a lot of Latin American blood to be spilled already. I know it's probably eating him alive.

Hope any move he makes is no more successful than the Bay of Pigs.

I'm sure you're completely right.
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Weasel_toff Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 09:50 PM
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20. Decider
That thought is hauntingly likely.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 04:11 PM
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8. What you said. Better yet, let's impeach *bush as soon as possible.
Best thing that could happen for Cuba right now is for Castro to stay alive until bush* has been removed.

And, all other important considerations aside, just the irony alone would be a thing of beauty.

sw
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 04:58 PM
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11. Judi Lynn, I find it difficult to write out what I fear - but I believe
this regime, the mafia, and Cuban-Americans are going to descend on the island and try to take it. I don't think they have a right to overturn the island. Whether its cement plants or auto dealerships or ipod's - land - or illegal endeavors - I believe they are panting in anticipation and it is not well intentioned.

I believe because of the money problesm after the USSR pulled out and because many in the U.S. have been sending billions to their relatives (while horrible embargos created poverty for years and never succeeded in meeting its intention - to bring Castro down) - those who have been sending money and those who claim to own land and buildings there - will go to war to plant themselves and take what they think is theirs. My vision and expectations are bleak. I do hope I'm wrong. The target of their intense hate (a la Ileana) also applies to everyone else in charge and those who stayed - possibly even some relatives.

I think the people who have survived and labored all these decades own it now. Cuban-Americans survived quite well in the U.S., Spain, Venezuela, Canada, France - and they can't just take from those who are enconced now.

But I truly don't know the law. I really hope I'm wrong.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 09:03 PM
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18. I fear the same, as well. Cuba settled the claims with land-owners from other countries long ago,
and it was over and done with. The owners here were advised by this government to to accept the compensation offered.

Even Che Guevara referred to Cuba's willingness to compensate the American owners in a secret meeting with Richard Goodwin, assistant to President John Kennedy, and it has been written in his memos.

They turned their noses up at it, refused, and that's where it all ended, yet, over the years, the same clowns have bellowed about their property being stollen, when they have ALWAYS had the choice available to take the money, based on tax records of the time, and shut the bleep up about it, just like the owners who live in other countries.

Because of the outrageous propaganda storm we've been living with, as you've seen time after time, most Americans have not one clue about what the hell has been happening all these years. One good reason for that is because this government KEEPS THEM IN THE DARK, AND PROHIBITS THEIR GOING TO CUBA TO FIND OUT FOR THEMSELVES. If that happened, the whoppers they've been hearing all these years would be exposed, and a LOT of people would have a lot of explaining to do!

It's going to be a very rough road for Cubans until this monster gets out of the U.S. White House, where he has never belonged.
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JetCityLiberal Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 01:16 AM
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23. Judi Lynn you rock
"It's going to be a very rough road for Cubans until this monster gets out of the U.S. White House, where he has never belonged."

Spot on.

Stellar work as always Judi Lynn.
THANK YOU!!!

Paul
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:54 PM
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35. Thank YOU, JetCityLiberal Paul! So glad you're seeing the truth
through the dank, smelly fog of propaganda! There's a lot of it going around, isn't there?

Thanks for the encouragement.

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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 03:56 PM
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4. I hope Castro recovers from this
Edited on Sun Dec-24-06 03:57 PM by MATTMAN
it will be hard to hear bush gloat when castro dies.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 04:05 PM
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6. This doctor specializes
in pancreatic cancer. At least that's what my brother told me.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 04:06 PM
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7. That's a pretty nasty disease
particularly in an octogenarian.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 04:18 PM
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9. It is. The mother of
a good friend of mine had it. She was given 6 months but survived for 2 years. That was one strong woman.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 07:12 PM
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15. on the other hand...
my ex's gm was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer when she was 80. she lived for two months after diagnosis. :shrug:
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 04:44 PM
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10. Not necessarily pancreatic cancer, acute pancreatitis.
Which can result in multiple organ failure (renal, kidney, respiratory, + more).

http://www.clinsci.org/cs/105/0409/cs1050409.htm#REF35

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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 05:37 PM
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12. I've heard from someone who is in a position to know that it is
prostate cancer, but, of course, I don't know that for sure. If it is pancreatic cancer, Castro has lived a lot longer than most do with the disease.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 06:34 PM
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13. Spanish doctor examines Castro, diagnosis undisclosed (CNN)
Here is CNN's report on this story:

Spanish doctor examines Castro, diagnosis undisclosed

CNN) -- A Spanish surgeon has traveled to Havana to consider what steps should be taken to halt the deterioration of Cuban President Fidel Castro's health, a Spanish newspaper reported Sunday.

Dr. Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, chief of surgery at the Spanish public hospital Gregorio Maranon de Madrid, departed Thursday for Cuba aboard an airplane the Cuban government chartered, El Periodico de Catalunya reported.

The Cuban Embassy in Spain oversaw all details of the visit, the paper said.

<snip>

Though the doctor had been briefed by the medical team that is treating Castro, he wanted to perform his own examination before deciding if another form of treatment is appropriate, the newspaper said.

Garcia Sabrido is a specialist in general surgery who last month led a conference at the 9th Cuban Congress of Surgery in Havana.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/12/24/castro.health/index.html
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 06:55 PM
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14. Speaking of unknown progress in a disease, what's happening with Tim Johnson of South Dakota?
He's gone completely off my radar.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 08:34 PM
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17. Condition is unchanged. He remains sedated in critical condition.
Hopefully he will wake up soon, and not remain as he is.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 07:51 PM
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16. The Miami Mafia's plans are laid
Edited on Sun Dec-24-06 07:52 PM by roody
out in this document. There is also a secret part of the document.
http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rt/cuba/commission/2004/c12237.htm
There was also an update last summer. More info at ifconews.org
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earlybelle Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 12:52 AM
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22. I hope the Cubans rise up a kick their asses.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 09:29 PM
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19. Surgeon 'flew in to treat Castro' (BBC)
The BBC provides additional details such as Dr. Garcia Sabrido's expertise on peritoneal and colonic cancer.

Last Updated: Monday, 25 December 2006, 01:08 GMT

Surgeon 'flew in to treat Castro'
By Stephen Gibbs
BBC News, Havana

A leading Spanish surgeon flew to Havana last Thursday to treat the ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro, a Spanish newspaper is reporting.

The Cuban government has not commented on any aspect of the report.

The surgeon, Dr Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, is an expert on intestinal ailments, particularly cancer.

<snip>

Dr Garcia is, however, understood to have been in Havana just last month - on that occasion to take part in an international conference on surgery.

According to the programme for the event, he gave two lectures. One was on peritoneal cancer - a cancer of the lining of the abdomen. The other was on colonic cancer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6208451.stm
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 10:04 PM
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21. the two best hospital/clinics and staff in the usa are less
than 1200 miles away ,mayo and cleveland clinics, but we can not send doctors to conferences or to treat anyone in cuba. how many more years do we have to put up with the american cubans in the usa telling the rest of us what we can do or not do when it comes to cuba?
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 01:43 AM
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24. Disobey. I have been to Cuba twice
because I felt like going to Cuba.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:42 PM
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34. You're a brave soul.
My daughter is leaving for Havana in a few days - legally. I wish I could visit her there. I haven't the nerve to try and sneak in, tho I know than many thousands of Americans do every year. You must have enjoyed it there to have gone twice. Any words of advice for my student daughter?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 10:50 AM
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25. Capsule embargo conclusion - ridiculous behavior and policy.
Edited on Mon Dec-25-06 10:56 AM by higher class
The guy was young when he rose up to do something against the ruling party which everyone acknowledges was corrupt. An embargo was placed on the entire island by all countries under the influence of the U.S. for the purpose of causing the downfall of Cuba. Many terrorist acts were taken against Castro and the people by terrorists living in the U.S., terrorists who were becoming citizens sponsored and employed by the CIA, plus the CIA itself. Some on their own. Whether from the embargo side or the terrorist side - they did not bring him down.

Now, 80 and ill - the embargo was a 4 plus decade of ridiculous childish stubborn revenge. And revenge backlash is looming. Again, it will be for the profit of a few.

Not only was the embargo ridiculous, attempts to establish a relationship with the U.S., went nowhere.

Now, whether Castro live two months, two years, or twenty - the ridiculous policy of the U.S. will forever be recorded. Cuban-Americans have held policy makers hostage for four decades. Including all Democrats. I hold all of them in contempt.

Folly. Foolishness. Fools.

Haitians, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Salvadoreans - were all disposable and could be massacred and jailed at Guantanamo. Cubans reigned. And special laws written for them and always passed and were supported.

Another shameful blight that our current leaders were responsible for. Misguided? Or paid off.

Sweep it under the carpet or not.

Our leaders facilitated the holding of hate for forty years. A line should have been drawn when the USSR pulled out and when the Berlin Wall fell, at the latest. But the favors to Cuban Americans and those leaving Cuba were improved on. No bigot called someone coming from Cuba an illegal alien, the law said they weren't. And there were no calls for walls around Florida.

And now we see more clearly than ever - the embargo failed.

What a waste. What a waste of our Representatives and Senators devotion and failure at international policy for a buck in their pocket and the hope of a vote.

Always remember, the USSR and The People's Republic of China were priority trading targets for over 30 years. Troops of politicians and business leaders set up trading with Communists.

Other nations recognized how ridiculous the embargo was and ignored it.

The embargo failed to oust Castro. And we should all be embarrassed.

Normally sane people went insane over Castro.

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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 02:49 PM
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26. Thank you...
Your account of US policy towards Cuba for the PAST nearly 50 years is by far the most accurate. Why Americans continue to delude themselves over partisanship on this is actually more sickening than the conscious propagandists pushing Cuban exile disinformation.

Oh I keep forgeting, the US doesn't have political parties, they have two political institutions -- which makes them only 1 better than the Cubans themselves, which ONLY have one political institution -- the communist party.

One can understand that Castro is a dictator because Castro, one man, has remained in power and as such it is understandable why this 'one man' hasn't changed his opinion much. However, the same can't be said for the US which has had a succession of political leaders from different political backgrounds ALL arriving at the same conclusion about Cuba -- again and again.

Again, what advanced country in the modern era even HOLDS a longstanding grudge against an small island? What other advanced country in modern times would possibly think that it's 'under threat' from such a place?

Truly deluded and indicative of a sick political culture which stop developing well over a hundred years ago.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 03:48 PM
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27. Our role as Americans is to protect Cuba from the Cubans in America
Who would wish on any country that they be invaded by a swarm of Bible thumping, Opus Dei-believing, rightwing Republicans? That's what the Cuban exile community is as a whole!

No self-respecting Democrat would wish a Republican government in Havana!
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:36 AM
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29. Give it a break n/t
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 05:07 PM
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28. The social system will not change after Fidel Castro passes.
This is a pipe dream. It will come to pass and a collective leadership will take over. Cuba is on a stable path right now, unlike, say, a decade ago.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:41 AM
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30. I think Cuiba will be like Eastern Europe
If a slightest hint of glasnost is allowed to happen, the government will fall.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:55 AM
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32. Then please explain Cuba's expanding relations with the rest of the world.
Edited on Tue Dec-26-06 12:00 PM by Mika
Posted by robcon--> "If a slightest hint of glasnost is allowed to happen, the government will fall."
______



Cuba does have good relations with Canada, Europe (both "old" and "new"), many Asian countries, & several African countries. Hundreds of joint ventures in Cuba and in the aforementioned states. The Cuban government has not 'fallen'.

Cuba is expanding its relations all over the world, and is (and always has been) seeking to expand relations with the US.

Your comment doesn't make a lot of sense to me. :crazy:

Why would the Cuban government be seeking and expanding on a policy of glasnost if it would precipitate an end of the Cuban government seeking glasnost?

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 03:27 PM
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33. I'm not sure what your emphasis is - are you saying that certain
factions in the U.S. (combination Cuban-Americans with helpers in the government - CIA, WH, State Dept, military), plus the Mafia won't try to retake Cuba? That all these people hell bent on revenge and retaining their voting base won't try to take it over?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-26-06 11:54 AM
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31. Doctor: Castro doesn't have cancer
<snip>

"The Spanish surgeon who is treating Fidel Castro says the Cuban leader does not have cancer.

Dr. José Luis García Sabrido flew to Havana last Thursday to see the Cuban leader and determine how his treatment was progressing.

''He hasn't got cancer'' the doctor said at Madrid's Gregorio Marañón Hospital, where he is chief surgeon.

''It is not planned that he will undergo another operation for the moment,'' the doctor said. ``His condition is stable. He is recovering from a very serious operation.''

He also said that he was amazed at Castro's good spirits. ''He wants to return to work everyday,'' he said."

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16320221.htm
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