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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 10:25 AM
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FDA Expected to Rule on Cloned Food This Week
Edited on Wed Dec-27-06 10:38 AM by Crisco
from ABC news:

Dec. 27, 2006 — The Food and Drug Administration is expected to make an important ruling this week on the future of meat and milk from cloned animals.
...
In what is seen as a preview of an FDA ruling expected this week, FDA scientists say in a new study that they have found that food from cloned animals is safe to eat.

"Meat and milk from clones and their progeny is as safe to eat" as food that isn't produced through cloning, the report said.

Regardless of the FDA's decision, it's not expected to quell the controversy over cloned foods.


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=2753527

Now, here's how it looks in alternative media:

FDA Expected to OK Food from Cloned Animals

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is expected later this week to release a preliminary safety assessment that clears the way for marketing of meat and dairy products from cloned animals for human consumption. The assessment and the agency’s expected endorsement of cloned food comes despite widespread concern among scientists and food safety advocates over the safety of such products. The move to market cloned milk and meat also flies in the face of dairy and food industry concern and recent consumer opinion polls showing that most Americans do not want these experimental foods.

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The FDA action follows the recent news that the agency has refused to investigate health problems in animal clones on a U.S. dairy farm. Greg Wiles, whose Williamsport Maryland "Futuraland 2020" dairy was the first farm in the nation to have cloned cows, told FDA that one of his two cow clones was suffering from unexplained health problems. Wiles told Food Chemical News that the clone "just stopped growing...she just looks terrible," but says that when he reported the problems to FDA and other federal officials, he was "paddled around like a tennis ball from agency to agency." CFS has asked the Agriculture Department to intervene in the case to stop any sale and prohibit the slaughter of clones and their progeny for food.

...

Cloning scientists have acknowledged that genetic abnormalities are common in clones, yet FDA failed to address how food safety and animal welfare concerns could be managed if cloning is widely adopted by the livestock industry. Some of the health and safety problems in animal cloning include:

Surrogate mothers are treated with high doses of hormones; clones are often born with severely compromised immune systems and frequently receive massive doses of antibiotics. This opens an avenue for large amounts of veterinary pharmaceuticals to enter the human food supply;


http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/12/26/18341099.php

Oh and by the way, this is what the study's authors say about food labeling:

The FDA scientists who wrote the paper, Larisa Rudenko and John C. Matheson, concluded there was no basis for labeling the meat and milk products or for treating them differently than other food.

"The U.S. food safety system is designed to screen meat and milk for hazards, regardless of the means by which the animals were derived," they wrote. "There is no science-based reason to apply additional safeguards."

The paper relies on dozens of studies from around the world, many of which examined genetic and health problems in cloned animals and the risks to animals that birth clones.

Though clones are more likely to die in utero or shortly after birth and to have birth defects, animals that are healthy and make it to adolescence face "no additional risk of illness or death," according to the report.

Two of the largest studies were provided by commercial clone producers Cyagra Inc. and ViaGen Inc.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-clones23dec23,0,6226310,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 10:39 AM
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1. I have mixed feelings about this
on the one hand, as a non-meat eater, I don't really feel I have a stake in it. I don't really support the idea, and if anything it makes me even gladder to not eat the stuff. I guess I figure if people are going to eat meat, maybe the lab-grown stuff would be a better alternative for myriad reasons: less waste, less cruelty, and most likely safer.

On the other hand, this is kinda scary to introduce into the food chain too.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 10:42 AM
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4. I'm Not Sure How You Get Less Cruelty, Waste, etc?
What makes you come to that conclusion?
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 11:50 AM
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7. sorry - I jumped topic a bit. I meant that there would be less waste, etc.
using the sheets of grown meat, not cloned.

my bad. I'm not awake today at all.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 10:41 AM
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2. Wahat possible difference could there be?
Cloned or uncloned... the only difference is how the animal was conceived, and by whom.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 10:44 AM
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5. And Who Pays For It?
You do realize there are patent issues in cloning?

In the LA Times story they talk to a rancher who paid $60,000 for a cloned cow.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 10:52 AM
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6. First of all, this is going to be a huge drain on the gene pool
If cloning is going to become the mass produced meat alternative, like all corporate ag wants, we're going to lose a lot of our domesticated livestock gene pool. Being as these various pools have already been severely depleted due to the machinations of corporate ag, we can't afford to lose any more.

Secondly, cloning is not an exact replication. Yes, 99.9% of the DNA material is replicated, but that other 0.1% comes from DNA matter left in the egg after the nucleus is extracted. Hmm, what could arise from that?

Third, continuing to clone off of one line leads to animals that have weak immune systems and other problems. There is no vigor introduced into the line as would happen with normal breeding. This leads to increased cost and increased problems down the road.

Fourth, I find it disturbing that we're now allowing corporations to play God with animals. How soon before they start doing so with humans?

I doubt that this is going to be stopped by the corporate rubber stamp known as Bushco. Therefore I suggest people start buying their meat from local, organic farmers. Now only will you not be supporting this sort of frankenfood, but your meat will taste better and be better for you.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 10:41 AM
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3. Don't want no stinkin cloned mutant food product crap
Edited on Wed Dec-27-06 10:42 AM by SpiralHawk
spare me. spare the planet. Not that the BushCo republicon cronies give a shit about anything other than profit.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 12:05 PM
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8. You know the FDA will approve it..
Because they really don't care how the effects of eating cloned food will affect humans further on down the road.

What the FDA does care about is corporate profits. They have been ordered to approve cloned foods in abeyance of corporate $$$.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 12:16 PM
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9. Giggadittoes, Tell
U got it. And here's how the Future Republicon Fascist Clones of AmeriKKKa will look after a steady diet of Mutant Cloned Republicon Crap:

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 04:39 PM
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11. C'mon...they'll be dining on home grown Texas Blk Angus
cattle grazing in the Heartland, flash frozen for shipment to loyal members of the coven.

John Q Public, will dine on chemically altered cloned animals and bio engineered
vegetable plants until the mass self extermination is complete.

MAD MAX and the Thunderdome..
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:06 PM
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10. I'm Truly Saddened There's Not More Interest In This
Traditional agriculture is a story of democracy, adaptation, and open source. What food there is a demand for, farmers and gardeners grow; what varieties are needed and ad to the taste and heartiness, farmers and gardeners artfully experiment with and have for thousands of years.

When French vines were being destroyed by phylloxera, Monsanto, Cargill, Con Agra and their boards of directors weren't there to bail them - it was TV Munson, an horticulturist with a thing for grapes, who saved the day.

And now, corporate ag, based on the strategy of making money through science in both growth and marketing - but mostly marketing - is coming in with their patents and specialized markets and removing the centuries of agricultural knowledge from the public domain. If they had their way, the TV Munsons of the world would have to pay them a patent/royalty to create anything from their research, or turn over all of rights of his own work ("intellectual property") if he were unfortunate enough to be employed by them.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 09:50 PM
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12. What did I say earlier today?
Here it is:

FDA poised to OK food from cloned animals

Scientists say meat, milk just as safe as from conventional livestock


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16372490/
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 11:41 PM
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13. well, you say not enough interest but no one recommended this for greatest page!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/27/health/main2304177.shtml


this is another step towards mutation and disease that will spring up decades from now. don't like what I say, oh well. you can have your own opinion.


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- '08 candidates
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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14. FDA set to OK food from cloned animals without special labeling
Edited on Thu Dec-28-06 08:44 AM by marmar
By LIBBY QUAID, AP Food and Farm Writer
2 hours, 52 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The government has decided that food from cloned animals is safe to eat and does not require special labeling.


The Food and Drug Administration planned to brief industry groups in advance of an announcement Thursday morning. The FDA indicated it would approve cloned livestock in a scientific journal article published online earlier this month.

Consumer groups say labels are a must, because surveys have shown people to be uncomfortable with the idea of cloned livestock.

However, FDA concluded that cloned animals are "virtually indistinguishable" from conventional livestock and that no identification is needed to judge their safety for the food supply.

"Meat and milk from clones and their progeny is as safe to eat as corresponding products derived from animals produced using contemporary agricultural practices," FDA scientists Larisa Rudenko and John C. Matheson wrote in the Jan. 1 issue of Theriogenology.

Labels should only be used if the health characteristics of a food are significantly altered by how it is produced, said Barb Glenn of the Biotechnology Industry Organization. .....(more)

The complete article is at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061228/ap_on_sc/cloned_food




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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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15. Stupid Evil Bastards nm
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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16. There is something very wrong with our government
:-(
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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18. V (from V for Vendetta) said it best:
"Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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17. Me and my wife decided to go vegetarian next week.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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20. I'm thinking about it....
Edited on Thu Dec-28-06 08:55 AM by marmar
In addition to the health benefits of vegetarianism, all this genetically manipulated meat is scary. American Franken-foods, as the Europeans call what we eat.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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24. If you need some support the veggie group is located
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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26. Thanks, I'll check it out.
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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27. Plants have been cloned for centuries
With the addition of genetic engineering and our reliance on Corn, probably best to avoid corn, especially hybrid corn (which is pretty much all of it)

Hey, want to clone some cabbages on your own? http://www.sciencebuddies.org/mentoring/project_ideas/PlantBio_p016.shtml :)

I highly suggest Michael Pollan's book, "The Omnivores Dilemma"
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LiberalinNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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19. That's fucked up!
"Meat and milk from clones and their progeny is as safe to eat as corresponding products derived from animals produced using contemporary agricultural practices," FDA scientists Larisa Rudenko and John C. Matheson wrote in the Jan. 1 issue of Theriogenology."

How can they say it's safe??? Where is the "long-term" study on this?

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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21. The corporations told them to say it's safe.....
and, knowing the Bush Administration, they probably wrote that statement for the FDA.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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25. How can they say this?
They can say it because they've been bribed and coerced by big agribusiness to say it. Facts and studies be damned. Profit comes first.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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22. I just threw up a little in my mouth. nt
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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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23. New veggie, here
I was a vegetarian a few years ago, but I have recently returned to the non-carnivorous flock. I saw a story recently about the Smithfield (I believe) pork farms which renewed my mindset.
The hardest part about going enviro-veggie now is finding good safe eco-friendly veggies. I am making a strident effort to avoid GM crops, and am in the process of locating some local farm co-ops or organic farmer's markets. I swear, I'm about one step away from starting an alpaca farm and growing my own food somewhere in the heartland. I'm ready to exchange the Corolla for a tractor.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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28. mad cow and avian flu didn't scare me...
but unmarked clone meat?

This may actually push me to decide never to eat meat, cheese, or milk again. :(
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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:45 AM
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29. if not this news alone, the totalitarity of the circumstances.
I've transitioned to a pirate diet lately....beer and limes
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 10:07 AM
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32. decision set to be released w/in the hour
just heard on CBS news radio.

dp
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 06:39 PM
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36. Oh Jeez, I Love the "Without Labeling" Part
Let's see how long that lasts.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:57 AM
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30. No Problem, Don't eat meat.
Wonder when bushco will start cloning humans to be soldiers.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 09:59 AM
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31. Dairy products,too. nt
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 10:16 AM
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33. Sour cream, cottage cheese, cheese, milk are..............
Edited on Thu Dec-28-06 10:17 AM by Double T
out of here!!!! All the vegetables and fruits THEY have genetically engineered have NO TASTE, I would expect the cloned meat and dairy products to be the same. The same animal will die thousands of deaths.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:35 PM
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35. or drink milk.... or eat spinach... or...
It's very sad- what's happened to the once proud agency. Not that long ago, it protected Americans from the horrors of thalidomide.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 10:26 AM
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34. I worry that every time I eat cloned food, will I be over come with the
feeling of deja vu?
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