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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:35 AM
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MSNBC Breaking: Explosion rocks parking lot at Madrid airport
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 03:50 AM by Cooley Hurd
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12370493/

BREAKING NEWS

Updated: 1 minute ago
MADRID, Spain - An explosion was on Sunday reported in a parking lot at Madrid’s Barajas airport, Spanish radio reported.

The explosion followed a telephone warning to authorities.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:41 AM
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1. More
http://www.abc.es/20061230/nacional-nacional/estalla-barajas-coche-bomba_200612300920.html

Un coche bomba ha hecho explosión en el aeropuerto de Barajas después de que ETA hubiera anunciado su colocación en llamada a la Asociación de Ayuda en Carretera de Guipúzcoa (DYA) de Guipúzcoa.

Dos policías nacionales han resultado heridos leves a causa de la explosión, según han informado fuentes policiales a la agencia Vasco Press. Los dos agentes participaban en el operativo de búsqueda del coche bomba cuando han sido alcanzados por el estallido. Sus heridas no revisten gravedad.

La explosión se ha producido en torno a las nueve de esta mañana en el aparcamiento de la T-4 del aeropuerto de Barajas y se ha desalojado el estacionamiento y también la terminal aeroportuaria, han informado fuentes de la Guardia Civil y algunos testigos presenciales.

Pasajeros que se encontraban en el aeropuerto han relatado a Efe que habían escuchado una fuerte detonación procedente de los aparcamientos de la zona de llegadas que provocó rotura de cristales en la T-4, que ha sido desalojada por la Policía, obligando a varios centenares de viajeros a salir a las pistas.

Google translation; read 'pump' as 'bomb,' presumably

A car pump has exploded in the airport of Barajas after ETA had announced their positioning in call to the Association of Aid in Highway of Guipúzcoa (DYA) of Guipúzcoa.

Two national police have been slightly woundeds because of the explosion, according to have informed police sources to agency Vasco Press. Both agents participated in operative search in the car the pump when they have been reached about the outbreak. Their wounds do not have gravity.

The explosion has taken place around the nine this morning in the parking of the T-4 of the airport of Barajas and the parking has been evacuated and also the airport terminal, has informed sources into the Civil Guard and some eyewitnesses.

Passengers who were in the airport have related to Efe that had listened to a strong detonation coming from the parkings of the zone of arrivals that caused crystal breakage in the T-4, that has been evacuated by the Police, forcing to several hundreds of travellers go to the tracks.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:43 AM
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2. Thanks, Newsjock...
:thumbsup:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:46 AM
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3. thanks for the information
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:52 AM
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4. Ok here is my translation to this
A car bomb exploded at the Barajas Airport after the ETA announced it had placed it by calling the organization of mutual road help of Guipurcoa (DYA)

Two National Police officers were slightly hurt due to the explosion, according to police sources to the Vasco Press News Agency. The two police officers were part of the search when they were caught in the explosion. Their injuries are slight.

The explosion came around nine in the morning, at Parking Structure T-4 of the Barajas Airport, and the parking structure was evacuated, as well as the airport terminal, we were informed by the National Guard and local witnesses.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 04:03 AM
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7. Was it a car pump or a gas pump/tank explosion?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 06:42 AM
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8. car bomb.
bomba was mistranslated here as 'pump'
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 07:17 AM
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12. "ABC" is a (very) conservative news source
It's very fortunately not a whacko pamphlet like the Moonie Washington Times is in the US, but it's still important to keep in mind that ABC has quite the conservative editorial position, and not very supportive of negotiations with ETA.

I recommend at least also checking out El País: they're generally center-left, and Spain's largest newspaper, with (at last!) a very decent news portal / site of their own - on www.elpais.com

(Don't bother too much with El Mundo, the third of the Big Three papers - they're nominally positioned as a centrist paper, but in practice a propaganda pamphlet for the PP, especially in their hostile and anti-negotiations attitude. Just in case, their link is: www.elmundo.es if you're curious.)
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:20 AM
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17. Yeah, but El Pais is very partisan too
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 09:21 AM by Julius Civitatus
While El Pais is certainly left of center, it's also very partisan (all Spanish newspapers are partisan, left and right). El Pais, unfortunately, has many allegiances to the Socialist party and it tends to skew their views, just like El mundo tends to support the conservative party.

I personally found that it's better to read about Spain using impartial foreign sources, as Spanish media tend to bee very compromised by their views, left and right.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 08:56 PM
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27. El País is the very best newspaper in Spain - bar none.
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 09:35 PM by NV1962
(Edited to clarify + add the last parenthetical sentence)

It is beyond me how The Guardian could link up with El Mundo. Now, as far as "general" news is concerned, El Mundo is in my opinion quite a decent newspaper. But when it refers to ANY Socialist government, the dark editorializing hand of Pedro J. Ramirez (founder of El Mundo and personal close friend of Jozé María Aznar - the previous PM in Spain, for PP) taints everything. Sadly, I must say, as it'd be very nice to have three decent newspapers, voicing the left, center and right perspectives.

In fact, I believe that ABC is overall far more "balanced" than El Mundo is, certainly where domestic national political news is concerned: their slant is well-known and consistent, and doesn't get in the way of their reporting. By contrast, El Mundo resorts TO THIS DAY to conspiracy theories to keep the big fat honking lie alive that ETA was involved in the train bombings in Madrid. A lie which, as you probably know, cost Aznar his seat in government.

As to El País having ties to PSOE: that's a bull charge. The owner/publisher of El País certainly has strong ties with the Socialists, and he definitely pursues the Socialists' favors whenever and wherever media policy is concerned (e.g., when new TV or radio frequencies are allotted, so as to snap up another slice of the very competitive media market in Spain) but I CHALLENGE you to come up with something that could even REMOTELY be compared to, say, the insidious and ongoing articles in El Mundo keeping the lies of ETA ties to the Madrid train bombings alive. You want an example? here is an almost hilarious case, where El Mundo blaringly announces that a "business card of the Grupo Mondragón" (a group of companies that is only indirectly related to Arnaldo Otegui - leader of ETA's political wing - via family ties) was found in the van left behind by the "Islamist-fundamentalist" terrorists after their Madrid train bombings. A find that, according to its own trouble-stirring byline, "wasn't mentioned by anyone" during the many testimony hearings following the train bombings. The rather obvious reason for that "obscure" and "silenced" find being, that it was an audio tape of Orquesta Mondragón - a pop band (!!!) No retraction, no apology for the hysteric and insidiously suggestive reporting, nothing.

You find me something as ridiculously illustrative of patently absurd politically motivated bias in El País, on an issue that is as important and widely sensitive as negotiations for peace with ETA, and I'll swallow my assertion that El País is a monument to journalism, that no national newspaper in the US (none!) can rival.

Else, and if you're seriously convinced that El País' publisher's purely business driven links to the Socialists is affecting its reporting, I think you need to read El País a bit more.

(On that absurd "business card" article of El Mundo and PP's rabid jump on this front page (!) article, I wrote something in Spanish here - if you're interested.)
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 09:50 AM
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32. Easy, dude
Edited on Sun Dec-31-06 09:58 AM by Julius Civitatus
Woah, man! You don't have to get that defensive. Nobody is denying that El Pais is a very good newspaper. I used to read it often and I consult it to this day when it comes to news from Spain. My point is that El Pais, as it is the custom in the European press, tends to wear its ideology on its sleeve, symbolically speaking. Still, it is one heck of newspaper indeed, strong on international and cultural coverage. El Mundo was not a bad paper either, but its owner is an eccentric than detracts from its professional image. I did not read ABC as it was very conservative; wasn't aware they were more moderate today. I lived in Spain from late 80's to mid-90's, so I may not be fully up to date on the minutia of life on that nation.

Nevertheless, I do remember El Pais adopting a very pro-government stance during the GAL case until the shit hit the fan. El Mundo did a more aggressive job in their investigative reporting on that case... but again, I'm talking about a decade ago. I am also aware that the owners of El Pais have always been very chummy with the Socialist party, and often get more radio and TV station allotments when PSOE is in power, which doesn't look good. When it comes to media ownership, Spanish governments still tend to favor their friends. It's not as outrageous as it is in Italy, where government allotment of stations mirrors mafia-like practices (Berlusconi being the most glaring example).

From my experience living there, I noticed that Spain was very divided along party lines, which may have been the inheritance of the Spanish Civil War. At the time I felt that political tendencies were more radically opposed in Spain than they were in the USA. Funny how things change. Since the mid-90s (Gingrich Republicans), political lines in America have been razor-sharp to this day. Bush only made it worse.

Anyway, saludos y feliz 2007.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 10:04 PM
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38. Since you mention the GAL crusade...
Edited on Sun Dec-31-06 10:28 PM by NV1962
Yeah, I'll readily admit to having a short fuse when it comes to the anti-González campaign that Pedro J. Ramirez spearheaded with "his" newspaper. It's a real pity that other reference newspapers like Ya and Diario16 (for which I've worked by the way - and from where Ramirez came) have disappeared; they were also quite decent, but (alas) didn't appeal to the political / social faults across the Spanish landscape that you mention. For some reason, El País has "survived" (pardon the euphemism) in spite of not really being a truly propagandistic tool when compared, specifically, El Mundo as a tool for the hardliner Acebes/Aznar crowd of PP. The more traditional conservatives still have ABC - a newspaper that I am actually a bit fond of, since it's survived Franco's era when it had oddly the status of being "on the edge" as a traditionally monarchist paper. My late grandfather always read ABC with something of nostalgia...

But I'm getting horribly adrift here.

Since you mention the GAL crusade, I'll give you my take on one of the most absurd, by all means criminal but politically incredibly abused chapter in Spain's national politics. I suppose that you're one of the very, very few people in the US that understand what I mean when I say that the current "war on terror" reminds me an awful lot of the GAL episode. In its most bare-bone essence, the stench of doubly criminal incompetence is overwhelmingly similar. Doubly criminal, as the cabinet-level involvement is a major treason to the weight of responsibility that should govern the minds of those who govern in a representative democracy. I believe that Rafael Vera (junior cabinet member) and José Barrionuevo (senior cabinet members) should have been kept in prison, just for that reason alone.

But there's also the gigantic difference with the current cabinet in the WH: if you've studied the persona of Felipe González, you'd know that he's not only far too intelligent, but also far too sensitive to that "governor's responsibility" to even be believable as someone who would even tolerate a whackjob initiative like the GAL was. GAL was so incredibly botched, rife with incompetence and brutishly stoopid that even thinking about González "giving the order" (or even suggesting it in a minimally serious fashion) is just plain ridiculous.

Look at any of the "big pet projects" undertaken during the González era: the high-speed train (which, by the way, is much more related to ETA as its concession to French Alsthom was practically "payback" for France's new willingness, starting with François Miterrand, to revert their Franco-era inspired laissez-faire attitude toward ETA), the world expo in Seville, the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona - they were all set up with "success" as the only acceptable outcome. So here's a very simple question: do you really believe that González would ever, EVER give an order to set up a clandestine and paramilitary organization to wipe out ETA if their success had not been a foregone conclusion? I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that in the strictly hypothetical case that González would have given the order, or even "simply" approved the creation of GAL (something he would never do: too few people realize or simply know how much González' personal political career and motivation are fed directly by his own experiences as a clandestine Socialist and lawyer) he wouldn't have tolerated the absurd incompetence that (in the end, fortunately!) have doomed GAL to fold and collapse. Had it not been for the violence and the number of their oftentimes perfectly innocent victims, they'd be buried under national scornful laughter and ridicule of that backwater amateurish hack project.

I am convinced that Vera and Barrionuevo were behind it. I am also convinced that they did it keeping González in the dark - until he found out. I can almost hear Felipe's screams of rage...

Now, I think you're mistaken if you think El País didn't report on GAL. It was front page news. And it's all in the archives - fortunately, El País' archive can be consulted, from its first edition in 1975, on-line. The difference with El Mundo is that El Mundo went for what they constantly reported as "Mr X" - which Ramirez never failed to insist was González himself. The relentless sensationalist, insinuating and directly accusatory articles of El Mundo certainly made for more loud headlines - but I don't see any reason whatsoever to believe that El País gave less attention, either in quality or quantity, to the whole sordid GAL affair.

Returning to my "war on terror" parallel: it'd take someone of the "honestly driven but brutally incompetent" stature of, say, José Barrionuevo (or George W Bush) to set up an incompetent and inherently botched "project" like GAL, just as the whole idiotic "war on terror" operation is one gigantic clusterfuck due to the clamorous incompetence at the top.

Unlike the "war on terror", which is run from the top (and it shows!) the whole sordid GAL project was run from a few hardly competent and isolated morons (and that shows, as well...) near the top. In the US, the top guy is an obvious incompetent brute; in Spain, Barrionuevo and Vera were.

El Mundo was certainly aggressive - they didn't do much "investigative" reporting, however - unless you count the seeded, and premeditated and tendentious "putting the conclusion before the cart" reporting to nail González as the key objective of the Ramirez-Aznar duo as "reporting", just as the Madrid train bombings and El Mundo's insidious, suggestive and even false reports don't deserve the label "reporting".

As much as it is true that El Mundo shouldn't be condemned as a whole (with many, many top notch journalists doing a fabulous job - as illustrated by their reports during the invasion of Iraq - clearly breaking with Aznar on that issue) I believe it is irresponsible to consider Ramirez' personal vendetta-style campaign against González, with GAL as his projectile of choice, as deserving any kudos, by considering it "investigative reporting". The term witch hunt is far more appropriate than journalism, in my opinion.

The GAL episode has been and still is a very painful lesson for Spain in how to behave in a democracy under duress; El Mundo, sadly, was part of the condition to overcome.

In many respects they have (again, their anti-war in Iraq position is a remarkable instance) but I'm not taking arguments that El Mundo did anything better than (for example) Cambio16, ABC or El País did on unearthing (and indicting) the hideous creature that was GAL.

However: yes, I fully agree that the "culture war" that grips the US is mirrored with painful accuracy in Spain, too. There is no middle ground between the Left (mostly PSOE, but also IU and what's left of it, and of course the "regionalist" leftist parties) and the Right. There is one big, fat, honking difference though: once the perception of foul play sets in (as happened under González, under the weight of corruption, GAL and just too many years in government) it's lights out for the government in Spain. Not so in the US; here (in the US) there's even a tendency to "move on, forgive and forget". Remarkably, Spaniards appear to vote with a sense of cautious electoral apprehension: it appears that Spaniards want to give the opportunity to "the other team" much earlier but also more tentatively to "the opposition team" than is the case in the US. In a sense, Spaniards put the alternative on probation much sooner, but on a shorter leash. In the US, once the critical mass leads to the opposite team, it's a big swooshing landslide. It happened in 1994 then favoring the GOP here; I think it's getting now to the point where the Dems will be swept into the WH with a Congressional majority.

For an example of the "early but careful" alternations in Spain, González first won on a very small margin, to take a whopping majority in the next election; Aznar won with a razon thin margin, but was given a big majority afterwards, too, after earning the trust that he wouldn't screw around with the basics (he left the pensions, social security, public health care and public education realms alone, in spite of relatively small and mostly "politically cosmetic" changes). And now Zapatero, too: if he manages to wrestle both ETA back to negotiations, and PP into a more reasonable opposition, he'll win big, next time. So, in that sense, Spaniards apparently learned more in a few days full of governmental lies, distortion and hollow propaganda after the train bombings to change their mind -- practically overnight, no less than a 5% swing of the electorate -- than the American electorate did in the three years following 9/11 and the almost two years in Iraq. Of course, there's a host of issues that separate the situations; there's quite a "temperamental" difference.

But the "culture war" is most definitely there, in both countries. With incredible divisiveness and acrimony on both sides. To the point that I'm believing that both countries may well end up reacquainting themselves with the horrors of a Civil War, unless the trails of fascism are permanently wiped out. In Spain, PP absorbed the far right without digestion; in the US, they thrive in the GOP. And in both countries, the right consists of one solid block; it wouldn't be a bad thing at all if there'd be a fraction to open up more traditional alternatives like "Christian Democrats", "fiscal conservatives" (aka fiscal liberals / libertarians) and "fringe right"; just as is the case in the great majority of Western European countries.

Anyhow, I find it fascinating to compare the two situations side-by-side.

I look forward to seeing how Zapatero gets both PP (and their pet victim clubs) and ETA in tow again; let's see how the next President of the USA gets this "war on terror" back on the right track, along with the dangerously teetering national economy in the US.

In both cases, before it's too late... We live in very dangerous times.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:54 AM
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5. CNN reports that police received advance warning of the bomb
Just updated moments ago on television...
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:57 AM
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6. CNN link here
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 06:47 AM
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9. Here's what I posted in a now self-deleted dupe topic on this...
From the Beeb:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6219019.stm
Car bomb blast at Madrid airport

A car bomb has exploded in the car park of Madrid's Barajas Airport, Spanish officials have said.

Two police officers who were examining the vehicle parked close to terminal four when it blew up were reported as being lightly injured.

The blast was preceded by a telephone warning, which meant that the terminal had already been evacuated.

Spanish media reported that the Basque separatist group Eta has claimed responsibility for the blast.

A very, very brief recap of the situation until just now can be found in this little article from the German DPA (in English):
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/2007_will_make_or_break_Spain_s_Bas_12162006.html

My comment: the Spanish conservatives (in the opposition - thank goodness!) have opted almost from the get-go for a fiercely critical position, frontally attacking the Socialist government as "weak on terrorism" and "giving in to the terrorists' demands" and so on.

Back to this stubborn thing called "reality": here is the result of a recent poll:
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/14187

It appears to indicate that the conservative PP's tactics is biting them in the rear... Too bad that, at this point, the damage already appears to have been done: it seems quite likely to me that, if indeed indeed ETA is behind this bomb attack on Barajas airport, the whole peace process is in the dumpster.

Let's hang on to some very, very thin hope that this is a "warning" that will slap everybody awake.

I'm not holding my breath, though. So many years after dictator Franco died, ETA still persists. What a shame.

(P.s. / disclosure: yes, I'm a Spaniard residing in the US)
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 06:50 AM
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10. The bomb ripped off in a parking, not a "main" terminal building (n/t)
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 07:03 AM
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11. According to "El País" warning call claimed responsibility in name of ETA
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 07:09 AM by NV1962
It's in Spanish, but it's in this article.

In another article, El País reports that the AVT has called on the Socialist government to break off any negotiation with ETA. (Added link here) Here's what makes this relevant:

The AVT is one of the most vocal organizations representing victims of terrorism (although frankly much more focused on ETA than, for example, the victims of train bombings) in Spain and, to be perfectly candid, hijacked by the conservative party in opposition, the PP, as a platform to vent vehement sentiments against negotiations with ETA and to stir up sentimentalist / visceral anger against the Socialist government's careful attempts to negotiate discretely -- and now it has already called on the Government... Makes me ill to my stomach to see these phonies. I'm sickened by the ongoing, shrill and obnoxious hysteria that amounts, in bitter reality, to the AVT's playing wooden leg. Let's put it in a stark example: imagine a Democrat would've been President od the US on 9/11, and that the "Swiftboaters" had seized control of the "widows" to act out loudly and colorfully. You get the picture.

Fact is, no matter the varying degree of "generosity" to which Spaniards are prepared to go in negotiations, a clear majority wanted and still wants the peace process to prosper.

It's incredible that this opportunity is so utterly wasted.

Then again: does it really surprise that rightwingers are willing to invoke and prod terrorism to the forth, just for narrow partisan motives?

In short: it's an international phenomenon. Nothing new or unique about it.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 07:19 AM
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13. But we killed Saddam
He was behind 9/11.

:sarcasm:
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 07:24 AM
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14. The headline here should really be: "rightwingers promote terrorism in Spain, too"
I almost can't wait to hear the spin on this...
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:16 AM
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16. Your characterization is very unfair
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 09:32 AM by Julius Civitatus
I know there's been a lot of controversy in Spain regarding the negotiations with ETA. Conservative parties did not want to negotiate with the terrorists, while leftists parties were in favor of it. Fine.

But lets make sure we place responsibilities here where they belong: the terrorist group ETA has broken negotiations on their own and decided to start bombing. I have been following the news on this matter, and ETA negotiators were placing very unrealistic demands (freeing all prisoners no matter their crimes, Navarre, etc). Remember, it's not the first time ETA does this to the government of Spain, regardless of political tendency.

I think your headline blaming "rightwingers" for promoting terrorism is misleading and unfortunate.

PS: for full disclosure I spent many years studying in Spain.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 08:39 PM
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26. Harsh? Yeah. Unfair? Hardly.
This is a telling snippet from AP:
The opposition Popular Party, which has strongly opposed Zapatero's stance on negotiations with ETA, urged the government to break contact with the group and work to defeat it.

"This attack means that ETA is a criminal organization that doesn't want peace" said Popular Party leader Mariano Rajoy.
Now tell me, how do you think you could get a peace process underway without anything in the way of willingness toward significant and substantial negotiations?

That's the problem: in all previous rounds of contact between each and every government in Madrid (going back to Suárez!) there has never been an attempt to establish negotiations.

As to putting the lion's share of the blame on the Spanish conservatives of PP for the corrupt climate in which the current peace process only could fail - here's a snip from a Wiki article - with my bold accent:
On 17 May 2005, all the parties in the Congress of Deputies, except the PP, passed the Central Government's motion giving approval to the beginning of peace talks with ETA, without making political concessions and with the requirement that it give up its weapons. PSOE, CiU, ERC, PNV, IU-ICV, CC and the mixed group —BNG, CHA, EA y NB— supported it with a total of 192 votes, while the 147 PP parliamentarians objected. ETA declared a "permanent cease-fire" that came into force on March 24, 2006.
When the principal party in opposition occupies itself in stirring up visceral proxy fronts -- mostly through the rabidly anti-negotiation AVT -- the climate (or political willingness resting on a sufficiently broad consensus, if you prefer to put it that way) is fatally poisoned.

Contrary to the González era, when the former Communists -- mimicking the pre-Civil War confrontations of Socialists and Communists -- colluded with the PP, this time IU (roughly, the contemporary political party that absorbed the Communists) opted to be far more cautious, so as to avoid doing what the PP has been doing practically all these nine months that the "indefinite truce" was in effect: ensure that a negotiated solution could never, ever be reached under a Socialist government. I'll give IU much credit for that.

So, is it really that harsh to accuse the PP of trying to pry a unique opportunity for negotiated peace from a Socialist government? Yes. Is it unreasonable or "unfair" as you put it? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

It was ETA that obviously that set off the bomb in Barajas. But it was PP that was jeering them on to pull back on their path to peace.

In fact, I am prepared to go quite deeply into this issue - I suggest you open a new topic in the "politics" forum for that, if you're interested in pursuing this.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 08:45 AM
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15. I thought ETA said they were done with terrorism?
:shrug:

I distinctly remember seeing them in their funny hoods, on TV talking about not wanting to be terrorists any longer?
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:47 AM
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18. Four hurt in Madrid airport bomb, caller says ETA
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 09:43 AM by Julius Civitatus
DEVELOPING....

MADRID (Reuters) - A car bomb exploded at Madrid's international airport injuring four people on Saturday after an anonymous warning by telephone and a second call claiming it was the work of Basque rebels ETA, Spanish authorities said.

Passengers at the ultra-modern Terminal Four said the departure hall filled with smoke after the explosion in a nearby parking lot which could mark the end of a ceasefire declared by ETA in March after four decades of armed struggle for Basque Country independence.

The bomb exploded at about 9 a.m. (0800 GMT), causing minor injuries to four people including two police officers and a taxi driver, emergency services said, and sending a huge pall of smoke over the terminal at Barajas Airport.

While witnesses said they were evacuated after the explosion, authorities received the first warning at about 8 a.m. (0700 GMT) after a man with a Basque accent called Basque traffic authorities to warn them of a bomb in a purple Renault Traffic van in a roofed parking area.

Shortly after, a separate caller to emergency services said the bomb had been planted by ETA, a spokesman for the Basque regional government said. (...)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061230/ts_nm/spain_explosion_dc_5







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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:47 AM
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19. Update: 26 hurt in car bombing at Madrid airport
Edited on Sat Dec-30-06 09:52 AM by Julius Civitatus
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061230/ap_on_re_eu/spain_explosion

MADRID, Spain - A car bomb exploded in a parking lot at Madrid's glittery new airport terminal on Saturday, and the government blamed the Basque separatist group ETA. One person was missing and 26 were slightly injured, most of them with damage to their ears from the shockwave.

The blast halted all air traffic on one of the year's busiest travel days and brought a fiery end to an nine-month-old ETA cease-fire and plans for peace talks that had spurred the greatest hopes in a decade of a peaceful end to the conflict.

"Violence is incompatible with dialogue in a democracy," said Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba at a press conference. "This attack interrupts nine months without violent activity. It breaks a permanent cease-fire that ETA issued nine months ago."

Rubalcaba also said that there was one person missing inside the parking lot.

More than 800 people have died since the ETA took up arms in the late 1960s.
(...)








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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:56 AM
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20. Don't tell me it's those ETA freaks, again. Those people are scum.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 09:57 AM
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21. Indeed. This is their way of declaring the ceasefire over
Bastards!

:mad:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 01:29 PM
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24. ETA can shove it up their ass.
They're never getting what they want and they have to deal with it.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 12:28 AM
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28. They are just trying to be independent
They dont' speak Spanish. Their culture is very different to the Spanish culture. It's like oil and water.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 06:38 AM
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30. Doesn't give them the right to go set off car bombs.
Cultural "oppresion" is never a reason for bombings.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 09:57 AM
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34. well...
they have as much a right to do that as we did to invade Iraq...

:shrug:

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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 02:21 PM
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36. No, they don't.
That's apples and oranges, dude.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 05:53 PM
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41. Sure it does.
You fight with what you have. When a nation is attempting to commit ethnic cleansing against your people, you have a right to fight back with whatever weaponry you have at your disposal. When that cleansing is abetted and supported by the population of a democratic country, the citizenry becomes part of the oppressive mechanism and a reasonable target.

The only real debate here, in my opinion, is whether the Basque can reasonably be called oppressed, and whether their claims of ethnic destruction have any validity. Most Basque oppose the ETA because both Spain and France DO respect the ethnic uniqueness of the Basque peoples.

I fully believe in the adage that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. The ETA, however, are just criminal terrorists. They may believe they're freedom fighters, but ultimately they aren't wanting to grant any rights to the Basque people that they don't already have. That undermines any moral high ground they might be trying to claim.

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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 09:56 AM
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33. Bullcrap
Edited on Sun Dec-31-06 10:00 AM by Julius Civitatus
I have lived in Spain. They hardly represent the Basque people, only a radical minority. They are one of the wealthier regions of Spain, and live in a state of semi-independence.

Your statement is vastly inaccurate.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 01:02 PM
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22. Sunday? isn't that tomorrow?
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 06:17 AM
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29. Uh, yeah...
Edited on Sun Dec-31-06 06:20 AM by heliarc
They're like... uh... 9 hours ahead of us... duh ... what was the question???
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 06:55 PM
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37. like - duh yourself
;-)

the OP was posted Saturday morning - early saturday morning. Add 9 hours to that and it's still saturday morning. Anyway, I was confused by the post. The actual article said saturday. No big deal, just sometimes I notice these weird time discrepancies in news stories that make me reach for the tin foil. Just kidding.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 03:08 PM
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40. Hehe
I know... The post is confusing for a number of reasons which is why I said "what was the question?" and acted like an imbecile... I had originally thought that it was posted in the evening, but looked again and ...duh... screwed up the math ... peace!
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 01:13 PM
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23. Hmm
Telephone warning sounds like maybe an ETA breakaway. I doubt most of ETA wants to go back to the old ways. N Ireland had these fringe post-ceasefire spasms too, but it passed.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-30-06 03:33 PM
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25. This sounds like the bomb wa detonated by police

ON 30DEC06, WHILE THE CREW FROM FLIGHT ..../29DEC/MIA-MAD WAS BOARDING TWO BUSES FOR THE HOTEL, POLICE DIRECTED THE CREW BOARDING THE SECOND BUS BACK INTO THE TERMINAL BECAUSE THEY HAD RECEIVED A CONFIRMED BOMB THREAT. THE POLICE RECEIVED TWO CALLS THE FIRST WARNED OF A CAR BOMB AND THE SECOND SPECIFIED THE TYPE OF CAR AND CLAIMED IT WAS THE WORK OF ETA, THE BASQUE SEPARATIST GROUP.

ONCE LOCATED, BOMB DISPOSAL EXPERTS DETONATED THE DEVICE. THE EXPLOSION SHOOK THE TERMINAL, AND FORCED THOSE INSIDE TO THE GROUND. THE REMAINING .. CREWMEMBERS WERE SHAKEN BUT NOT SERIOUSLY INJURED

I removed the airline name and flight number
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 07:55 AM
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31. Reuters: Rescuers seek bodies under Madrid airport rubble
Rescuers seek bodies under Madrid airport rubble
31 Dec 2006 12:35:32 GMT
Source: Reuters

By Jason Webb

MADRID, Dec 31 (Reuters) - Rescue workers at Madrid Airport searched on Sunday
for the bodies of two men believed to be lying under rubble left by Saturday's
ETA car bomb as Basque separatists insisted the peace process was not dead.

The Spanish government suspended planned dialogue with ETA on Saturday after
the bomb in the airport car park, but the banned political party linked to the
separatist guerrillas said talks for a peaceful solution to the conflict would
carry on.

"The process hasn't collapsed. On the contrary, we think it is very necessary now
to address the roots of the conflict," Karmelo Landa, a leading member of Batasuna,
told Reuters, as thousands of ant-ETA protesters gathered in central Madrid.

Rescue workers used heavy machinery to search for two men, both Ecuadorean
immigrants, believed buried under tonnes of concrete brought down by the car bomb
which wrecked a multi-storey car park at the ultra-modern Terminal Four at 9 a.m.
(0800 GMT) on Saturday.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L31851294.htm
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 10:05 AM
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35. The story from the UK Guardian
Eta bomb at airport blow to peace


Dale Fuchs
Sunday December 31, 2006
The Observer


A bomb exploded in a car park at Madrid's new airport terminal yesterday after a warning call from the Basque separatist group Eta.

The blast halted all air traffic on one of the year's busiest travel days, and brought an end to a nine-month-old Eta ceasefire that had spurred hopes of a peaceful resolution to the separatist conflict that has troubled Spain for almost four decades. The car bomb exploded at 9.30am at Terminal 4. A policeman was cut by flying glass, two other people suffered light injuries, and a fourth person was reported missing.

Two warning calls were received in the Basque region before the blast. In the second, a man claimed responsibility for Eta, and this was later confirmed by Interior Minister Alfredo Rubalcaba. He said the bomb broke the definitive truce Eta declared months ago. 'In a democracy, violence is not compatible with dialogue,' he added.

<more>


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1980511,00.html
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 01:40 PM
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39. Spanish police identify kidnapped owner of van in ETA bomb attack
UPDATED: 12:15, January 01, 2007

Spanish authorities have identified a young Spaniard who was being held hostage for three days by the separatist group ETA, as the owner of the van used in a carbomb attack in Madrid's Barajas airport on Saturday morning, police said on Sunday.

Police did not name the van owner, who was kidnapped on Wednesday by three hooded men in Luz-Ardiden, France, where he had traveled for a camping and skiing holiday.

The victim, a native of Ordizia, in the northern Spanish region of Guipuzcoa, was released a few hours after the attack on Saturday ...

The blast, which ended a nine-month ceasefire by the armed separatist group and let the government suspend efforts to broker a negotiated solution to a four-decade conflict, left two young Ecuadorians missing and 19 people slightly injured ...

http://english.people.com.cn/200701/01/eng20070101_337546.html

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 05:56 PM
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42. Way to go, Bush!
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:09 AM
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43. Spanish PM announces the end of the peace process
(Article in El País here, in Spanish)

Pathetic, that it had to come to this forced choice for Zapatero between achieving peace in Basque Country with ETA, or maintaining peace in Spain with PP.

The conservatives must be in a festive mood: the end of the peace process that they were screaming for has arrived.

Let's see which party gets to attend more funerals, in this sparkly bright and bushy tailed new year.

Cretins.
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