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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:05 AM
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Giuliani Slams Ex-Aide
Edited on Mon May-14-07 07:05 AM by maxrandb
Source: NY Post

May 14, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Rudy Giuliani yesterday fingered his former top emergency-management aide Jerry Hauer as the man responsible for the tragic decision to put the city's emergency command bunker inside the World Trade Center complex.

"Jerry Hauer recommended that as the prime site and the site that would make the most sense," Giuliani said on "Fox News Sunday," adding, "It was largely on his recommendation that that site was selected."

Giuliani was answering a question about why the city built the $61 million bunker on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center despite the 1993 truck-bomb attack on the WTC, even though Hauer - a Democrat who has since had a falling-out with Giuliani - had told him the existing facility in Brooklyn could be updated

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/seven/05142007/news/nationalnews/giuliani_slams_ex_aide_nationalnews_geoff_earle.htm



Wow! Looks like Rudy, at least, has the "blame someone else, I'm not responsible" approach of the Bush mis-administration and the Republic Party "down-pat".

Can someone please tell me the last time a Republic(sic)...any Republic(sic)...took blame, or accountability for ANYTHING?!!

and Gonzo saying, "I take full responsibility" with no punishment for his actions does not count.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:10 AM
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1. Rudy is a Republican, though
So, nothing bad can be attributed to him. The only thing missing from his quote is somehow turning the blame onto Bill Clinton.

Once Rudy can do that, we can truly call him a master of passing the buck.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:19 AM
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3. Well the article says Hauer is a Democrat
Clinton's a Democrat...there you have it...

In the minds of the rabid right, it is Clinton's fault.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:39 AM
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6. and I'm sure
Hauer must be a "partisan" Democrat, funded by George Soros and in league with those evil bloggers and radicals at MoveOn.org.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:11 AM
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2. But he was the fucking mayor - he could've nixed it at any time!
What a tool...:grr:
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Lobster Martini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:33 AM
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4. The buck stops...over there. Really far away. You can't see the buck from here.
Someone else picked the location. (Incidentally, how do you have a bunker on the 23rd floor?) Tenet wasn't at fault, according to Tenet. Richard Perle wasn't at fault, according to Richard Perle. Amnesia Gonzalez can't remember where he parked his car...glad these guys have held public offices, otherwise they'd have been in the park all day picking dandelions.

Today's fun fact: the collective noun for a group of weasels is "boogle".
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:38 AM
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5. So much for "The Buck Stops Here", eh, Rudy?
Like every other Republican, Rudy loves to pass the buck. He's showing again he doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone except himself AND there are a bunch of stupid Republicans and their Pre$$ Whore Pal$ who will applaud him every step of the way!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:47 AM
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7. Take responsibility, Rudy
You're the "law and order mayor," the great "leader" who took NYC from "shitter to glitter."

Now you're passing off major decisions about public safety on to some flunky?

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy...
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:03 AM
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8. How is it that Hauer told Guli that the Brookly site could be updated
but then gets built in the WTC?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:15 AM
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9. Talk about SLANTED the NY Post only printed a blurb
Edited on Mon May-14-07 08:29 AM by LiberalFighter
While Newsday has more about the story Newsday

Hauer said he first wanted a site in Brooklyn - in part because it would be well away from obvious terror targets in Manhattan - but that the mayor's aides told him Giuliani wanted it to be within walking distance of City Hall. So he found the site on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center.

"He's trying to question what I did, and what I did was simply follow his directions," Hauer said yesterday in a telephone interview. "He's got to stop trying to rewrite history, and he's got to start being a little more truthful about what went on when he was mayor."
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60TrenchesGone Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:21 AM
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10. Rudy....
Anyone else notice how the Republicans have been running away from Rudy's self-destructing campaign? Or maybe that's because he doesn't hate gays and pro-choice people enough.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:27 AM
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11. Wayne Barrett -- Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11
Source: Democracy Now

Wayne Barrett is author of Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11

From the broadcast

Right. The firefighters were using the same radios that they used at the ’93 bombing, even though we found a report that was written in 1990 that said that they were already obsolete and that they were a danger to the life of firefighters. And the firefighters are still carrying those same radios eight years after the 1993 bombing.

But what we focus on -- I mean, just take the bunker, for example. It turns out we discovered memos where his top security advisors say you can't put it in the World Trade Center complex. We discovered a five-page memo from Jerry Hauer, who was the head of Emergency Management under Giuliani, that wanted it to be located in Brooklyn in the Metrotech complex. That happens to be roughly where Mike Bloomberg has since put it. It's a block away from Metrotech in downtown Brooklyn. Giuliani said, “No, I want it within walking distance of City Hall.” No one could figure out the security rationale for that. But once he said it had to be within walking distance, Jerry Hauer then said, “You can't go underground, because it’s all below the flood plane within walking distance, so you’ve got to go to a tower.” The nearest tower was the World Trade Center complex.

The 23rd floor of 7 World Trade had never been rented. It was built for an investment banking firm as a trade floor. It had extremely high ceilings. It had been laying vacant for more than ten years. The private landlord who owned that became a gigantic donor to Rudy Giuliani, threw two big fundraising events on his yacht for it. They move into that floor, and it is a disaster on that day. We quote people from John Farmer, who was the staff attorney who wrote the chapter that deals with the city's response for the 9/11 Commission, as saying that if they had had a functioning command center that day, it would have saved the lives of many firefighters and police officers and rescuers. They had no functioning command center. They had no functioning command center, because of terrible decisions that were made.

Even Howard Safer, who was the police commissioner appointed by Giuliani, who goes way back with Giuliani to his federal days as a prosecutor, even Howard Safer warned him. We quote from a meeting of the cabinet, in which he called it in 1997. He said, “You can't put it in ground zero.” He called it “ground zero” then because it had already been bombed. Rudy just brushed aside all of this advice, was determined to put it there, put it there, and it had dire, even deadly, consequences that day. So that's just one example of many that we raise in the book.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:45 AM
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15. Thanks for the informative post
(kick)
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:32 AM
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12. Hauer is spilling the beans on Rudy
(snip)

In his best-selling 2002 autobiography, Leadership, Giuliani wrote that his future wife had been an effective mayoral adviser after 9/11 because she “had been a nurse for many years, and afterward a pharmaceutical executive; she had managed a team of people and had many organizational skills. Further, she had wide-ranging scientific knowledge and research expertise.” He added that he “put her to work helping me organize the hospitals” to treat the injured from ground zero. His campaign Website, meanwhile, notes, “In the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, Mrs. Giuliani coordinated the efforts at the Family Assistance Center on Pier 94.”

But concerning Judith’s participation in the city’s response to 9/11, public-health and security consultant Jerry Hauer takes exception to the Giuliani campaign’s assertions. Hauer—a nationally known bioterrorism expert who was Rudy’s first director of the newly created Office of Emergency Management—minced no words about the claim that the mayor’s then-girlfriend “coordinated the efforts at the Family Assistance Center on Pier 94.”

“That is simply a lie,” Hauer tells me. “But Rudy’s not shy about rewriting history when it suits him.”

Hauer had a bitter falling-out with Giuliani after Hauer endorsed Democrat Mark Green’s mayoral candidacy in 2001. “You’re done,” Rudy told him ominously after he and former police commissioner Bill Bratton staged a press conference endorsing Green.

more…
http://nymag.com/news/features/31812/
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:40 AM
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14. Good for him!
Call Rudy on the carpet, Mr. Hauer.
Refuse to be the fall guy... the Repubs have too many of those already.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 09:08 AM
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16. Jerry Hauer is not a good guy
If you have tried to learn what really happened on 9/11, you know that Hauer was right in the thick of things before, during and after this operation. It looks to me like Giuliani, in order to save himself, is going to let his henchmen (Kerik, Hauer, etc.) be taken down one by one. Here's one story, there are many others if you use "the Google". ;-)


WHO IS JEROME HAUER?
Jerome Hauer is a Bio-Warfare expert who is well known in New York City for having created former mayor Rudolph Giuliani’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in World Trade Center 7 – the building that inexplicably imploded in a freefall on September 11, 2001, without having been hit by an airplane. Hauer’s corporate affiliations include SAIC, Batelle, CSC-DynCorp, Hollis-Eden, and one of the nation’s most powerful private investigative and security firms Kroll Inc., among others. Now BioPort has been added to his resume.

On the eve of 9/11, in NYC, Hauer was having drinks with his close friend, the recently retired FBI Agent and “Osama-Chaser,” John O’Neil. At that time O’Neil was the head of security at the World Trade Center complex, a position Hauer had helped him to get. O’Neil died in the World Trade Center on 9/11, and it was Hauer who identified his body.

Hauer was quoted by Newsday staff writer Laurie Garrett on her personal blog as saying, “John O’Neill was head of the FBI’s counterterrorism branch in Washington. He led every important investigation you can name — the USS Cole, Tanzania, Kenya bombings. He retired three weeks ago. I helped him get the job as head of security for the World Trade Center.And the irony is, the guy he chased for most of his career killed him.”

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/121505_jerome_hauer.shtml
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 09:37 AM
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18. I never said Hauer was a good guy.
My father worked in WTC 7.
He's back there now, and I've spent a lot of time trying to "learn what really happened on 9/11."

I never said Hauer was a good guy.
I encouraged him not to be a fall guy.
Big difference.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 10:06 AM
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19. I'm with you, don't worry
I'd love to see Ghouliani taken down by his own co-conspirators.

He has more skeletons in his closet than just about anyone and it sounds like they are beginning to re-animate.

Let the fun begin.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 12:55 PM
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24. Indeed.
Break out the beer and popcorn. :)
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KarmaKaize Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 09:11 PM
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29. As expected - Horse Head GHOUL-iani Uses a Stooge
All this proves is that GHOUL-iani is the most dangerous, mafioso fixer, presidental candidate, who must be stopped before he perpetuates the BUSHITLER dynasty.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 09:32 AM
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17. I wouldn't have put her in charge of Pier One, selling trinkets.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:37 AM
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13. Since when do Repukes believe in "Personal Responsibility?" n/t
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Speaker Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 11:10 AM
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20. Not gonna' say it......
Giuliani Slams Ex-Aide

Rudy Giuliani yesterday fingered his former...

*biting tongue*
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 11:46 AM
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21. wow, so rudy is pissed at the guy
who put the bunker in the same building with all the government's alphabet agencies that got wiped out when the building "collapsed from fatigue"...yeahhh mistake.

one has to wonder what was "lost" that rudy so desperately wanted to make disappear.
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 11:46 AM
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22. Typical of Rudy (and of BS bullies in general)
He loves to talk about what a tough 'get-it-done' macho mover he is, but as soon as he gets the slightest criticism for something he did, he either:
a) Starts whining about how mean and insensitive the press is
or
b) Blames someone else for running poor defenseless Rudy's little lifey-poo.

Rudy is like the Apollo character on that old Star Trek episode. As long as he is being worshiped he seems to have great powers. But when people start to see through his BS and laugh at him, he collapses into the whinining, whimpering spoiled little brat that he is.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 01:17 PM
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25. More like that little kid in Star Trek
The one who Captain Kirk had to "bitch-slap" and then his parents came and took him away because he couldn't play nice with the toys they gave him.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 12:11 PM
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23. What a chicken shit. He would make a great republican preznut. n/t
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 07:00 PM
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26. Ah yes, "The Nut Shell"
so named by listeners to WABC's Curtis and Kuby program. A hot topic of discussion for several weeks was whether Rudy's rumored mistress would have a place in "The Nut Shell" -- no, not Judi Nathan, but Cristyne Lategano, who eventually wound up with the tourism bureau.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:07 PM
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27. There's leadership for ya.
pass the blame downward.
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KarmaKaize Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 08:41 PM
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28. With all his fatal flaws, why is GHOUL-iani still a Contender ?
You'd think that with all his personal baggage, with his 3 wives, with his Mafioso buddy Kerik, with the condemnation of the the New York first responders, with his historical positions on abortion and gay rights, no to mention his totally weird and inexplicable behavior before and on Sept 11 2001, that GHOUL-iani would be as dead as a horse's head in George Bushitler's bed....but NO, he is a major contendor to be the Repugnant candidate for President of the United States !

Possible explanation: He is a defender of the Bushitler story of 9/11, the man who shoveled the shit to hide whatever it was that happened that day, and the Bushitler clan needs the Mafioso fixer to become Presidente, so that their evil shit will be buried forever.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 11:38 PM
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30. the same answer to the inexplicable conundrum of how Bush climbed the heights:
Media

that's all it is

TIME's man of the year has been riding the myth of 911 Hero ever since, and they will NOT waver from the established narrative

they never do. Conventional Wisdom is stronger than the laws of gravity

I hope I'm wrong, and his true megalomania will make it impossible for the M$M to ignore just how malefic this creep is, but all one has to do is recall how they covered for President Shit for Brains, and continue to do so, despite the rantings of the right wing sycophants who would have us believe the likes of Mike Allen and Roger Simon are card carrying members of the moonbat leftlib media
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 11:55 PM
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31. Rudy has terminal Republican Disease: Blame-itits
Just like all of the rest of these goons: Gone-zal-ASS, Chimperor, CrashCart, etc. ad nauseum.
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