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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:29 PM
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Four arrested in Iraq 'honor killing'
Source: CNN

BAGHDAD, IRAQ (CNN) -- Authorities in northern Iraq have arrested four people in connection with the "honor killing" last month of a Kurdish teen -- a startling, morbid pummeling caught on a mobile phone video camera and broadcast around the world.

The case portrays the tragedy and brutality of honor killings in the Muslim world. Honor killings take place when family members kill relatives, almost always female, because they feel the relatives' actions have shamed the family.

In this case, Dua Khalil, a 17-year-old Kurdish girl whose religion is Yazidi, was dragged into a crowd in a headlock with police looking on and kicked, beaten and stoned to death last month. (Watch the attack, and what authorities are doing about it )

Authorities believe she was killed for being seen with a Sunni Muslim man. She had not married him or converted, but her attackers believed she had, a top official in Nineveh province said. The Yazidis, who observe an ancient Middle Eastern religion, look down on mixing with people of another faith.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/18/iraq.honorkilling/index.html
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 06:37 PM
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1. Odd no comments yet
seems some on this board are much more comfortable when they have a reason to spew hate and assert their own cultural superiority. On the other hand it is good that justice will be done for this girls murder.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 06:59 PM
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2. k&r, thanks
Edited on Fri May-18-07 07:07 PM by uppityperson
sometimes topics don't get replies for a while. How about doing a "k&r" in a positive manner rather than an insulting one please?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:01 PM
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3. Sorry did not mean to diss
your post, this topic has been a hot button for a couple weeks. And yes K&R:kick:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:10 PM
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4. sorry, I know also, changed my subject line too.
It has been a hot topic and I just came from another one elsewhere with my hackles already up. Glad they arrested the 4. I don't understand people a lot of the time. I don't mean I don't understand cultural differences, but just why do people treat each other, most everywhere, inhumanely? More from the article...
"Two of the four arrested are members of the victim's family, police in Nineveh province said Thursday. Four others, including a cousin thought to have instigated the killing, are being sought.

The killing is said to have spurred the killings of about two dozen Yazidi men by Sunni Muslims in the Mosul area two weeks later. Attackers affiliated with al Qaeda pulled 24 Yazidi men out of a bus and slaughtered them, a provincial official said. The violence ratcheted up tensions between Yazids and Muslims in Bashiqa, the victim's hometown, a largely Yazidi city in Nineveh province."
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:18 PM
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6. It's too bad to know what to say.
I'm glad they will be brought to "justice", but I doubt it will amount to much.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:27 PM
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9. this is the top post on the front page
it think it's shocking people into silence... :cry:
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:24 PM
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22. I don't think it is that. I felt so let down and sad when I read this. I expected more
Edited on Fri May-18-07 11:27 PM by Maraya1969
from the Iraqi people. I know this does not happen all over but I know it is a problem in Jordan and probably other places and it makes me sick to think of it.

Women in parts of Africa are subject to genital mutilation because they are not supposed to enjoy sex.

Women are still the lowest citizens in many parts of the world. It is just so sad.


EDIT: To add an atrocity that I just learned about in Japan during WW2.

Comfort women (Japanese: 慰安婦, ianfu?) or military comfort women (Japanese: 従軍慰安婦, jūgun-ianfu?) is a euphemism for the up to 200,000 women who served in the Japanese army's brothels during World War II. Historians and researchers into the subject have stated that the majority were from Korea, China and other occupied territories and were recruited by force or deception to serve as "sex slaves."<1><2><3>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:17 PM
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5. I saw this on the news this morning. Thank goodness they are going to do
something about it. It's time women all over the world are protected from such ignorant brutality.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:19 PM
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7. K & R n/t
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:25 PM
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8. It must take
a big a man to stand around with your "buds" and stone a little girl. There is nothing that could befall them that I would be opposed to.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:34 PM
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23. One time in my life I literally felt like torturing a man. He had killed his sister
in one of those "honor killings" in Jordan and he was talking about it so proud. I swear as I watched I wanted to cause him great pain. I don't think I ever felt that way before or after. I know that I would be just as bad as him and I know I would never actually do something like that but I was really surprised at my reaction.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:45 PM
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10. My respect for diversity and multicuralism stops here...
These barbaric acts are from the 7 th century.

Obviously invading countries and killing the inhabitants has not been particularly helpful in reducing these incidents. Anyone have any suggestions on how to influence these cultures in a positive way without killing them all? There must be some way to educate these people...

I am truly at a loss...
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:56 PM
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12. I have Pakistani colleagues who say it happens all the time in their northwest...
... frontier. Technically it's against the law, but no one enforces it. It's fairly common to douse an unfaithful wife with gas and immolate her.

Horrible.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 01:31 AM
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26. "Tolerance" has its limits.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:48 PM
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11. We still live in the dark ages
And it looks like humanity will never will escape form under our man made rock, ha, not a positive comment, but I'm aware of balance, seems we can only rise to the height equally proportionate to the depth we we sink.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:01 PM
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13. sisters around the world against some men's brutality: Unite!
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:09 PM
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14. Religion, isn't it grand
eom
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:16 PM
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16. They use religion to justify it, but my Muslim friends tell me that it
is cultural, not religious. I mean inequality is institutionalized over there and has been for thousands of years, long before Islam flourished.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:36 PM
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20. Oh, I don't doubt that.
It's a prime example of men using "divine mandate" to oppress women.

It's amazing how often the "divine will of God" just happens to coincide with the will of those in power.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:42 PM
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24. In Libya too -
or so I've heard.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:13 PM
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15. Women who live in these misogynistic cultures should start
castrating the abusive males. Lorena Bobbit the fuckers while they sleep.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:17 PM
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17. Honour killings would have never happened under Saddam, as Riverbend said on her blog
Iraqi women were among the most emancipated in the Middle East. Thanks to American "freedom and democracy," they are now they are being dragged kicking and screaming into the Dark Ages.

Thank you, Amerika!
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:22 PM
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18. Iranian women were also emancipated before the whole Shah of Iran blowback
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:04 PM
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21. That's also true!
There are several good sources on the CIA coup against Iranian Premier Mohammad Mossadeq, as well as several books that can be found at your local library. Here is but one of many links:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/index.html
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:25 PM
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19. More proof of the law of unintended consequences.
Everywhere we try to impose western values it just got worse. People have to find the light on their own.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 01:30 AM
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25. I read on DU that cnn aired this killing. (wonder if true??)
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 04:20 AM
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27. Yes, they did..
on Anderson Cooper's show. It was horrible. She was a beautiful young girl and they viciously murdered her. Their act represents the lowest form of humanity.
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