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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:02 AM
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Diamonds tell tale of comet that killed off the cavemen
Source: The Observer

Diamonds tell tale of comet that killed off the cavemen

Fireballs set half the planet ablaze, wiping out the mammoth and America's Stone Age hunters

Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday May 20, 2007
The Observer

Scientists will outline dramatic evidence this week that suggests a comet exploded over the Earth nearly 13,000 years ago, creating a hail of fireballs that set fire to most of the northern hemisphere.

Primitive Stone Age cultures were destroyed and populations of mammoths and other large land animals, such as the mastodon, were wiped out. The blast also caused a major bout of climatic cooling that lasted 1,000 years and seriously disrupted the development of the early human civilisations that were emerging in Europe and Asia.

'This comet set off a shock wave that changed Earth profoundly,' said Arizona geophysicist Allen West. 'It was about 2km-3km in diameter and broke up just before impact, setting off a series of explosions, each the equivalent of an atomic bomb blast. The result would have been hell on Earth. Most of the northern hemisphere would have been left on fire.'

The theory is to be outlined at the American Geophysical Union meeting in Acapulco, Mexico. A group of US scientists that include West will report that they have found a layer of microscopic diamonds at 26 different sites in Europe, Canada and America. These are the remains of a giant carbon-rich comet that crashed in pieces on our planet 12,900 years ago, they say. The huge pressures and heat triggered by the fragments crashing to Earth turned the comet's carbon into diamond dust. 'The shock waves and the heat would have been tremendous,' said West. 'It would have set fire to animals' fur and to the clothing worn by men and women. The searing heat would have also set fire to the grasslands of the northern hemisphere. Great grazing animals like the mammoth that had survived the original blast would later have died in their thousands from starvation. Only animals, including humans, that had a wide range of food would have survived the aftermath.'

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Read more: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2083758,00.html
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:09 AM
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1. This theory proves we never know when our time is up.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:17 AM
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2. This is just more scientific hogwash...........
everyone KNOWS that the flat earth was 'created' just 6,000 years ago.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:31 AM
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3. YES!!!! And after a thorough examination of Genesis, I have ...
determined that we don't exist!

Adam and Eve had Caine and Abel, Caine kills Abel, end of line...We're NOT HERE! I fell so much better knowing that I am merely the thought of some distant creature's imagination, at least I hope I am..:eyes:

I guess Caine was told to build cities just to keep him occupied and from killing his parents...:shrug: After all, what the heck were cities needed for anyway, nobody around to occupy them?

As for the part where Caine was told to find a wife....ummmm, where?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:39 AM
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4. Have you forgotten??
Edited on Sun May-20-07 07:41 AM by Double T
Woman were created from the man's rib, the exact same way woman are created today. Women owe us guys for their very existence.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 07:41 AM
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5. YES, that is why they are subservient! And Adam was made
from dirt and spit! Wait a minute, that might explain a lot...:D
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:13 AM
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6. Does that mean men are still created by God?
Wish all this were true so we women didn't have to go through nine months of pregnancy and most of all the labor pains!!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:54 AM
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9. That's right Missy M, we men just appear out of nowhere leaning up against........
Edited on Sun May-20-07 08:54 AM by Double T
an apple tree. And no thanks, I don't want a bite of your apple.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:09 AM
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13. Well, man was made from dirt and spit...and didn't have the
sense to eat the fruit of the "Tree of Knowledge", hence, he remained pretty darn dumb. So dumb in fact that he lost a rib and couldn't figure out what happened, all he knew is that there was a new person in the garden, and she wasn't like him...:D
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:21 PM
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49. and so much pleasure in the difference!
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:05 AM
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12. "...and most of all the labor pains!!" This is why God gave us
opium poppies to make morphine and other pain meds...:)

In fact, I think that when Genesis was written, there was some serious opium use going on...:D

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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:13 AM
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16. No doubt!!!!!!!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:20 AM
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18. and that's where we get the phrase "Is that a rib, or are you just happy to see me?"
:rofl:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:43 AM
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22. BOTH!
:evilgrin:
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svpadgham Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:57 AM
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37. In my case
it's a riblet.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 06:01 PM
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46. You rascal
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:45 AM
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7. Genesis? What does Genesis have to do with comets
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:03 AM
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11. Absolutely nothing, just as Genesis has nothing to do w/how
the earth came to be, and how it's flora and fauna have evolved...:)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:37 AM
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27. Never thought about that before
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.


Who would find him?

Why would there be a land called Nod?


I wonder how big the city was that Caine built and how many lived in the city.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:25 AM
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31. The Land of Nod is where the poppies were growing...
:D
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:53 AM
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36. Would they know about the land of Nod at the beginning?
How far was the land of Nod from Eden?
Did they have to pay a toll to enter the land of Nod? Did they need a passport?
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 12:36 PM
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41. I guess they would just need cash...drug dealers don't take...
"Eden Express"....:P
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:13 AM
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15. Caveman fell off the edge of the earth, just under 6000 years ago
All the "cool kids" say so....:eyes:




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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:41 AM
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28. Mr blm is ROFL at that one.
.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 12:43 AM
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54. Not just flat! Square!
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:54 AM
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8. But what about the Geico cavemen?
how does your theory 'splain them???
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:59 AM
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10. There are no such thing as 'cavemen', Geico or otherwise.........
Edited on Sun May-20-07 09:03 AM by Double T
it all started with adam and eve and the evil snake (named dick) and it has been downhill ever since. You must be one of those evolutionists.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:11 AM
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14. "There are no such thing as 'cavemen''.., " Hmmm, come here
to Nebraska, and you may well change your tune about cavemen. I talk to plenty of them every day...:D
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:30 AM
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19. Those must be the guys running corporate america..........
'clubbing' their employees into submission.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:30 AM
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33. Not only do they club them, they skin them as well...
sometimes while they're still alive...:scared:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:54 AM
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24. Jeez--Nebraska has caves?
Don't you have to have terrain for them?
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:28 AM
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32. We have one, it was dug by cavemen, just before they found
someplace better to go, which was anywhere but Kansas or Oklahoma...:D
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:30 AM
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34. I think a lot of them went to South Dakota,
which pretty much explains the Homestake Mine.

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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 01:17 PM
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43. The perfect arguement against Intelligent Design: GEORGE W. BUSH
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 12:44 AM
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55. Is too! I've seen his condo!
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:18 AM
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17. Crap - does this mean their Geico Caveman Tv show is
cancelled - dammit, I was looking forward to massive low-brow comdey
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:37 AM
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21. The proposed Geico Caveman TV Show will be replaced with a new reality TV show based on a
competition with the winner receiving the ultimate job; insurance salesman.
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:07 AM
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25. In that case the winner will be the guy from the Allstate
commercials - he has been President (24) & commander (The Unit) - he has leadership & can kick ass.....he is the real Commander Guy
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:32 AM
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20. That blows the hell out of the GM crop theory.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 09:53 AM
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23. Unfrozen cave men lawyers survived. Lawyers always do.
They are still with us today (except Phil, RIP).

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:31 AM
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26. "Only animals, including humans, that had a wide range of food would have survived the aftermath.'
So much for a vegan diet being "sustainable".
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 07:37 AM
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56. And it also killed off the exotic and delicious B12 Fruit
Why, I bet that comet also was wearing a fur coat!

--p!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:05 AM
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29. UGH! We ate bugs!
Cockroaches can survive anything because they can eat anything.

I will take note that they are not still part of our diet.

11,000 BC that would have been?

Human beings began cultivating veggies and grains after that nasty period. Take note: we survived because we stayed together and began activities that required large-scale planning.

Funnily enough, one page I googled noted that settlements built in the two thousand years or so after this period were astonishingly unfortified. Large settlements. Unarmed. Sounds like refugees were taken in and given food and work.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:39 AM
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35. There are plenty of places that still eat all kinds of insects,
particularly in Asia and South America...the way things are going, we might all be eating bugs soon...x(
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 12:02 PM
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39. and also in the crumbs of our packaged food.
Not sure how true that is, but I've always heard we get a good share of insect parts.
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 12:02 PM
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40. and also in the crumbs of our packaged food.
Not sure how true that is, but I've always heard we get a good share of insect parts.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 12:39 PM
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42. There are some ridiculous standards when you read them...
I forget the ratio, but peanut butter allows so many ppm of roach parts and mouse feces...x(
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:30 PM
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50. I consider lobster a bug
A big underwater bug.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:08 PM
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51. Lobster is related to a scorpion, and crabs are realted to
spiders...drenched in butter, they are delicious, but I'm not about to eat a scorpion or a spider unless there is no alternative, and I'm about to die of hunger...:D
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 08:41 PM
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58. I watched that survivorman on the science channel eat a scorpion
He did take the stinger off first.

That guy would eat just about anything.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 08:54 PM
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59. When I went through survival training, I learned a lot of what
can be eaten...there is an incredible amount ot "food" out there. But unless it I am in survival mode, bugs ain't on the menu...:D

There was, years ago a National Geographic Special on the Amazon Basin. These guys are walking in the jungle, and one of the guides has a stick, and he creeps up on something. I knew I shouldn't watch this, but it was a great show...lot's of cool animals and such. The guide bends forward and whacks something w/the stick...This damn bird spider jumps straight up, and the guide grabs it by its legs in mid air, and holds it like an ice cream cone! OK, at this point, I can't get off the sofa, as my butt cheeks have created a vise...the guide goes over to a fire later, burns the hair off this monster that is about 8 inches across the body, then proceeds to eat it. At the end, he takes this half inch fang and picks his teeth!!!! I am hoping there is plenty of xanax left in the medicine cabinet at this point, and am just about dead from the sights I have beheld. I would have shot that damn thing w/a 45...:scared:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:12 AM
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30. 13,000 years ago. Wasn't that around the time Atlantis sank?
Edited on Sun May-20-07 11:13 AM by Joanne98
Just a thought.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 12:05 AM
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53. No.
NT!

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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:57 AM
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38. We need another one of those...
teehee teehee ;)
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 03:49 PM
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44. Who's got the movie rights ?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 04:43 PM
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45. interesting theory.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:01 PM
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47. How does it square with flash frozen mammoths
with wildflowers in their digestive tracts?
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 11:10 PM
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52. Comets are mostly ice...nah, I'm not even going to try...
:D
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:51 AM
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61. It doesn't, nor does it have to...
...since the "flash-frozen mammoths" thing is a myth.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 08:04 PM
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48. Aaahh, but "a Diamond is Forever"......
:eyes:
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 08:40 AM
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57. This is junk. The events described would have killed us as well.
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Crayson Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:17 AM
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60. nooo... because WE are the CHOSEN! ^_^

... and what was that bit about mastodons?
Weren't those Dinosaurs?
Mastodons and Mammoths living side by side? Yeah... rrrright...
^_^
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:05 PM
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62. BBC News has a more intelligent summary of the topic.
(No "cavemen" are mentioned.)

A controversial new idea suggests that a large space rock exploded over North America 13,000 years ago.

The blast may have wiped out one of America's first Stone Age cultures as well as the continent's big mammals such as the mammoth and the mastodon....

This, they say, could have caused the 1,000 year-long Younger Dryas cold spell, which also affected Asia and Europe.

The Younger Dryas has been linked by some researchers to changes in the living patterns of people living in the Middle East which led to the beginning of farming.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6676461.stm

The disappearance of North America's megafauna--just after humans arrived--has been a mystery. (Let's not get into "Clovis first" right now.)

Stay tuned for further developments!

I found the link at Archaeology--a fine source for new stories about really old stuff. http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/index.html
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