Student dies after being shot in Toronto school

[CraftyGal]

Source: CTV News

Student dies after being shot in Toronto school

Updated Wed. May. 23 2007 5:40 PM ET

toronto.ctv.ca

A Toronto school shooting has claimed the life of a 14-year-old boy and forced a lockdown as police investigate the incident.

Police Chief Bill Blair confirmed the fatality to reporters while at the school hours after the incident occurred.

"The event that took place today is a very serious matter," Blair said. "A young student lost his life in this school, and it should be a safe environment for everyone."

The identity of the Grade 9 student is not yet known.

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I can't believe this. It is so distressing as my son is the same age as this young man.

Crafty

[youngdem]

1. Probably from Detroit...

[silverojo]

2. Gee, I thought Canada was perfectly safe

Because there's no "gun culture" up there. More horseshit brought to you by Gun Grabbing Freaks, Inc.

Kids are getting killed because schools won't do their jobs and stop problems (and problem students--like Cho Seong Hui) before they get out of hand. Even if, by some miracle, you could stop criminals from obtaining guns...knives and homemade bombs can do quite a bit of damage, too.

It's time fines were imposed on schools allowing this shit to happen. THEN you'd find some super-alert teachers, and administrators more than willing to report these punk thugs to the cops. But as long as we let these people get away with being complicit in murders like this, nothing will change.

[NaturalHigh]

3. You beat me to it.

[SheilaT]

5. Cho Seung Hui's English

teachers tried very hard to get him help. How would you punish them?

And Canada may not have exactly the same "gun culture" we have here, but rates of gun ownership are fairly high there, and there have been other campus killings in that country.

September 13, 2006. Dawson College, Montreal. 1 dead, 19 injured
August 24, 1992. Concordia University, Montreal. 4 dead. 1 injured.
December 6, 1989. Ecole Polytechnique, Montreal. 14 dead, all women. 10 women and 4 men injured.

I had thought one occurred in Toronto, but I seem to be wrong. Looks like Montreal is the hotbed of Canadian school shootings.

[CHIMO]

4. Miller calls for stricter gun control

Politicians expressed shock and disgust at a shooting at a high school in Toronto on Wednesday that left a 15-year-old student dead.

The incident prompted Toronto mayor David Miller to stress the need for stricter gun control.

"Handguns have one purpose and that is to kill and it really reinforces what we've been saying for quite a while at the city," Miller told television station CP24.

"We absolutely have to get the guns off the streets. It's going to require some changes to our laws but it has to be done."

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/217077

[Pavulon]

6. Works in DC, NYC, and camden NJ..right?

but small towns like mine seem pretty safe.

[brentspeak]

7. Most guns used by gang members in Camden are obtained from places like Virginia

NJ State Police did a study a few years ago that showed 80% of illegally-obtained guns in NJ come from out of state. Mayor Bloomberg of NYC is right to be outraged at the lax gun policies of some of the other states.

[Lex1775]

8. He can be mad all he wants...

The fact of the matter is, we still live in a Republic and the other states (and their populations) don't have to bend to one mayor's so called "outrage", even if he is the mayor of NYC. If he doesn't want guns in NYC then put up checkpoints on all the entrances into the city... good luck with that.

[brentspeak]

9. That's your statement? Thousands of people in the U.S. can be shot to death a year thanks to

thousands and thousands of firearms that out-of-state gun shops and gun owners have somehow "lost track of", and the mayor of NYC -- and the victims of those guns -- can just go pound sand?

Is that what you're trying to say? Too freaking bad for them?

[beevul]

10. Those are not the only 2 alternatives...

but you know that.

If there is something going on that is so bad, that it is causing people (a small number) to turn to crime, and go out of state to get the tools for the crimes they turn to, bloomberg has bigger problems to worry about than the tools used in crime. Like maybe the causes of crime. And it ain't guns.

The poster you replied to did or said nothing to discount that.

And there aren't any victims of guns. Only victims of asshole trigger pullers and victims of suicides. When you read a news story about someone killed by a drunk driver, do you rail on automobiles or on alcohol, the same way as you rail on guns? Be honest.

I believe the person you replied to was expressing the sentiment that the mayor might want to worry about his own citys affairs instead of blaming its problems on everyone else. AKA keep your stinkin gun grabbin hands in in your own state.


AS I said, there are other ways to deal with crime problems other than targeting the percieved tools. Neither you or bloomberg seem interested in those though.

[krispos42]

12. Gun dealers in Virginia can sell to all legitimate customers

New Yorkers that bring guns bought out-of-state are required by law to register them, have a permit, etc., within X number of days after bringing the gun home. It's probably even more restrictive.

The burden for action is on the New Yorkers, not the Virginian gun sellers. At least, as the law currently stands.

The possibility exists that laws can be changed to fix that, and should be discussed. Perhaps a federal law requiring that when a person from a state, county, or city that requires firearm registration buys a gun outside of that area, the firearm dealer is required to post a letter informing that state, county, or city government of the transaction. Then the state, county, or city government can investigate if nothing is done on the purchaser's part.

I don't know if it would help crime any, but at least it would close a loophole.

[krispos42]

11. Mayor Bloomberg creates an artificial demand

It's like he imposes a $5-a-gallon gasoline tax then starts whining about how people are driving across state lines to fill up.