Lieberman: U.S. should weigh Iran attack

[laststeamtrain]

Source: AP

WASHINGTON - Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record) said Sunday the United States should consider a military strike against Iran because of Tehran's involvement in Iraq.

"I think we've got to be prepared to take aggressive military action against the Iranians to stop them from killing Americans in Iraq," Lieberman said. "And to me, that would include a strike over the border into Iran, where we have good evidence that they have a base at which they are training these people coming back into Iraq to kill our soldiers."

<snip>

Lieberman said much of the action could probably be done by air, although he would leave the strategy to the generals in charge. "I want to make clear I'm not talking about a massive ground invasion of Iran," Lieberman said.

"They can't believe that they have immunity for training and equipping people to come in and kill Americans," he said. "We cannot let them get away with it. If we do, they'll take that as a sign of weakness on our part and we will pay for it in Iraq and throughout the region and ultimately right here at home."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_iran;_ylt=Agozk5smyCOMRQ1j4RsVL2ZSw60A

[Vincardog]

1. OK joe you lead the attack. This talk is the kind of BULL$HIT that got us into IRAQNAM

[Born Free]

29. I agree, let these big talkers be on the front line..

it is sickening how these individuals can talk of even more war yet they are not the ones in danger.

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[yourout]

3. I will toss back a brewsky or three the day this asshole gets his due.

[cureautismnow]

4. Lieberman should weigh and submit his resignation.

Other faux democrats need not apply.

[Strelnikov_]

5. Iran threatens Gulf blitz if US hits nuclear plants

What's the worry? Loss of nearly 50% of the worlds petroleum export capacity, no problem

We'll just uncap all those wells in Texas and drill ANWR and it will open up all that easy oil we all know is just offshore but they can't drill cause of the environmentalists. That should do it, right?

I mean, we import less than 2/3rds of our petroleum needs.

And I'm sure the Asians and the Europeans will continue to loan us money so we can outbid them on what remains of the worlds export market.

Oh, worst case, maybe $100/bbl for a few weeks. No 10 gal/mo gas ration. No mass layoffs. No depression.

Let's go get um, Joe. We're just waiting for you to jump out of the trench and yell 'Follow Me'.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1909896.ece

IRAN has threatened to launch a missile blitz against the Gulf states and plunge the entire Middle East into war if America attacks its nuclear facilities.

Admiral Ali Shamkhani, a senior defence adviser to the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, warned that Gulf states providing the US with military cooperation would be the key targets of a barrage of ballistic missiles.

Shamkhani told the US journal Defense News that missiles would be launched not only at US military bases but also at strategic targets such as oil refineries and power stations.

Qatar, Bahrain and Oman all host important US bases and British forces are based in all three countries. Any Iranian attack would be bound to draw in the other Gulf Cooperation Council states: Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait.

[Delphinus]

9. And Iran would be full right in doing so.

I didn't have the news up, listening, as I was on the phone. I wondered why Joe was being featured on all three news channels. If Joe wants to fight, let him wage his one man battle, up close and personal on the front line.

[Mrspeeker]

6. who the fuck voted for this guy BTW?

[Kool Kitty]

17. Connecticut republicans.

[dogfacedboy]

23. Don't you mean worthless scumbags? n/t

[Kool Kitty]

53. Aren't they the same thing?

[Supersedeas]

61. good question

[PassingFair]

7. Guess this means it will be a "bi-partisan" attack.

:sarcasm:

[laststeamtrain]

8. Joe: Independent former Republican from Wyoming Democrat from Connecticut

See:http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/6/10/173550/297

[classysassy]

62. The democrats

have to keep kissing Joe's ass, to keep him from going over to the dark side.

[BootinUp]

10. Lieberman is only hurting himself

with this kind of stuff. No other Democrats in the Senate are going to want to be involved with him in any way.

[John Q. Citizen]

37. Which Senate Dems have disavowed a first strike on Iran? Any?

[BootinUp]

39. disavowed?

You think that is a realistic policy proposal?

On the other hand IIRC there are plenty of Dems who have made statements or taken other actions to state their disagreement with drum beating in regard to war with Iran. If you think Lieberman speaks for Democrats on this you may be quite surprised before long.

[John Q. Citizen]

41. Who are these "plenty of Dems" you speak of and what have they said?

When bush attacks Iran and the Dem majority in both houses acquiesce, I think you may be quite surprised.

Or do you believe they would, say, initiate impeachment? Or what? Make a speech?

[BootinUp]

42. Urging direct talks, sanctions etc

are statements and actions that reduce the chance for direct military assault. I am not going to google up a list of statements for you. I would rather spend my time doing other things right now.

[scarface2004]

11. iran should weigh an attack on u. s.!!!

"I think we've got to be prepared to take aggressive military action against the americans to stop them from killing iranians in Iraq," ahmadleebermahn said. "And to me, that would include a strike over the border into new jersey, where we have good evidence that they have a base at which they are training people to go back into Iraq to kill our diplomats."

[Screwfly]

30. No kidding

The U.S. government has committed several acts of war against Iran already (sending agent provocateurs and commandos into the country, openly advocating the Iranian people to treason, and massing a huge naval armada just off their coast).

[Mrs. Ted Nancy]

12. Juan Cole's thoughts on Iran

I don't know if this has been posted yet. Interesting thoughts. Maybe 'Joementum" should read this.

Note: edited for clarity

". . .Polling shows that the percentage of Americans who view Iran as the number one threat to the United States has risen to 27 percent now. I think it was only 20 percent in December 2006.

First of all, how in the world can a developing country with about a fourth of the population of the US, about a $2000 per capita income (in real terms, not local purchasing power), with no intercontinental ballistic missiles, with no weapons of mass destruction (and no proof positive it is trying to get them), with a small army and a small military budget-- how is such a country a "threat" to the United States of America?

Iranian leaders don't like the US, and they talk dirty about the US, and they do attempt to thwart US interests. The same is true of Venezuela under Chavez. But Tehran is a minor player on the world stage, and trying to build it up to replace the Soviet Union is just the worst sort of fear-mongering, and it is being done on behalf of the US military industrial complex, which wants to do to Iran what it did to Iraq. It is propaganda, and significant numbers of Americans (a 7 percent increase would be like 21 million people!) are buying it. . ."

Scroll down to June 3 to get the whole post.
http://www.juancole.com/

[Massachusetts]

32. Why haven't Conn voters tried a recall on Rambo joe jowls?

[John Q. Citizen]

38. They don't have recall in CT. n/t

[kurth]

13. Fucking traitor

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[roamer65]

15. Fuck Lieberworm.

Neocons are god damn traitors.

[silverojo]

16. Can't wait for the elections

When the Dems get a bigger majority in the Senate, Lieberman will have a lot less clout.

Actually, the fucker deserves to be thrown in prison...but not being the center of attention will be almost as bad for him.

[laststeamtrain]

18. Greenwald on Lieberman: "warmongering centrist"

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/06/10/lieberman/print.html

[IndianaGreen]

19. There are many reasons why the Left hates Lieberman with a purple passion

The policies that Lieberman advocates have resulted in the following:

Over 3,500 dead GIs

Over 30,000 wounded GIs, with a third of them with life-altering wounds.

Untold number of Iraq veterans suffering from PTSD, but a recent published report estimated that a third of all combat veterans exhibited some symptoms of PTSD.

Over 650,000 dead Iraqis, according to the Johns Hopkins casualty study published by The Lancet.

Over one million displaced Iraqis living as refugees in their own country, according to UN.

Over two million Iraqis exiled by the war and sectarian violence, also according to UN.

It is pretty obvious the harm that our invasion of Iraq has done to ourselves, as a nation and as a member of the family of nations.

The attack on Iran that Lieberman advocates will make Iraq, and all the bad things that have happened since we invaded Iraq, look like a picnic. The only difference is that the dead will number in the millions, and they won't be confined to Iran. How's that? Sy Hersh, and other published sources, have revealed that the Pentagon is going to use atomic bunker buster bombs to knockout every nuclear facility in Iran, civilian or otherwise. The Pentagon feels that using nukes is the only way to guarantee success in a bombing campaign expected to take weeks.

How should we feel about anyone that wants to create another Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

[Norquist Nemesis]

20. They don't need a training base in Iran

There's a U.S. taxpayer training base just across the border!

It would be nice to say Lieberman is useless, but in reality he is a danger.

[unkachuck]

21. oh joe....

"...and ultimately right here at home."....Texas?....are they going to invade Texas like the Sandinistas?

....joe, I'm beginning to question Al Gores' ability to evaluate a persons character and judgement....and to think, you might have been Number Two; you must truly be an embarrassment to Al....

[MisterP]

49. don't worry, Roger Staubach will keep the Sandinistas and Basij out of our supermarts

[Danger Mouse]

22. So this is what the Great Toad is croaking about now?

The other Dems should stay far away from Toad. Anyone who touches him, so I am told, gets horrible warts.
He IS a wart.
Are YOU going to be leading the charge, darling Toad? Somehow I doubt it.
Attacking Iran...why not just make things worse? I mean, we haven't thrown enough rocks at the hornet's nest yet. Let's throw a really BIG one.

[tom_paine]

24. The Emperor of Amerika is weighing such an attack, fear not Joementum

[knight_of_the_star]

25. Oh Gods

He REALLY thinks that playing tit for tat is going to help us? Going after Iran like that will open up Pandora's box, except I don't think Hope is waiting at the bottom of this box.

[LeftishBrit]

26. Agreed - Iraq has already been like Pandora's box

Bush is a right-wing insane idiot and a massive danger to the world, and so is everyone like Lieberman who follows him!

[Screwfly]

31. Pandora's box?

More like that accursed puzzle box thing in Hellraiser.

The situation in Iraq is just plan spooky. The Iraqis went from headlong retreat to fighting pitched battle with occupation forces in just a few months. Resistance movements in western Europe during WWIII didn't start fighting pitched battles with the Nazis till after the D-day invasion--and they weren't nearly as successful as the Iraqi insurgents has been.

[knight_of_the_star]

43. Exactly

If we go into Iran we go from them possibly funding insurgent forces to the Iranian Army invading Iraq.

[UnityDem]

27. My Republican brother loves Joe

This should tell all Democrats everything they need to know.
The one (and only) "democrat" that my staunch Repub brother says he could ever vote for is Lieberman.
I had to remind my brother that HolyJoe is no longer a Dem but instead is his own party of one (ilovemyselfsomuchconnecticutforliebermanparty) and that he is technically an "independent".
Aargh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[David__77]

28. Launch Lieberman into Iran...

I'd be fine with that. I'm sure his windbaggery would bring them to their knees with a quickness.

[Tesha]

33. Biological weapons are prohibited by treaty. (NT)

[Rose Siding]

34. BOOT him, Harry.

Joe, the MOST Republican Republican on issues of war, should NOT caucus with Democrats. If Reid doesn't boot him and steal his thunder, Joe's constant media presence will be the face of the party in 08.

[Doctor_J]

35. Why did the great state of Connecticutt elect this doofus?

refresh my memory.

[Seabiscuit]

36. They didn't - Karl Rove stole the election for him.

He lost the primary by a significant margin, then won the election by a significant margin. That doesn't happen without cheating.

[ckramer]

40. War is good for Connectitcut

You guys think Lie-berman is a fool?

Hahaha!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

44. So says a warmonger with no concept of the ramifications of such an action

Not that any of the warmongers in the US care about ramifications much. They know that they'll not be the ones paying for such actions with their blood. Nothing new here.

[Name removed]

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[Megahurtz]

48. Exactly. n/t

[Zandor]

56. Why should he go to Israel?

That statement is disturbing.

[LeftishBrit]

58. Why? He doesn't come from Israel.

And his policies are NOT likely to benefit Israel (even if he thinks they are). And the Middle East as a whole needs fewer right-wingers, not more of them.

It would not be seen as acceptable to say that Powell or Rice should 'go and live in Africa', or that Santorum or Scalia or Giuliani should 'go and live in Italy', or even that Arnie should 'go and live in Austria' (which he does at least come from!). So why make these sort of citizenship-slurs about anyone?

So let's say instead that Lieberman should go back to CONNECTICUT. I'd fully support that one!

[entanglement]

46. Glenn Greenwald has an excellent article in Salon about Lieberman & Iran - worth reading

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/06/10/lieberman/index.html

[Megahurtz]

47. Is Leiberman AIPAC?

That would explain a lot.

Go Fuck Yourself Joe! :mad:

[NeoConsSuck]

50. Here's AIPAC

in case anyone wants to know more about this group of traitors:

AIPAC's Achievements:

Securing critical foreign aid to Israel, which totaled $2.52 billion in 2006 and will provide military and economic assistance.

Extending U.S.-backed loan guarantees to Israel until 2011 and renewing the authority to transfer U.S. military equipment to be stored in Israel for use in a potential crisis.

Increasing military aid to Israel by working for $1 billion in government grants that will help cover the escalating costs of the war on terrorism.

Remember, all this funding is going to come from American taxpayers.

http://www.aipac.com/about_AIPAC/default.asp

[Megahurtz]

51. UGH! Those Fuckers!

:mad:

[Elspeth]

52. Our people are losing their jobs and homes and we're paying for another country's weapons?

How does a group like this get so much influence?

[libodem]

54. What? Is he Nuts?

You can just tell someone has been filling his head with shit. Some 'agenda' has his ear. Some Big Money 'agenda'. He's Jewish, does he do favors for Israel? I always hear the US is a 'proxy' for Israel. Does Israel want to get into it with Iran? Maybe it's just Big Oil? Wanting to corner the market? All the oil in Iraq is not enough? All Iranian Oil must belong to Big Oil, too? Can Big Oil, take all the Iranian Oil and make them buy it back to run their country? After all we don't want them to have any Nuclear Power Plants to make electricty. Iran could sell all the Oil to other countries, if they generated power with a Power Plant. Iran would be flush with cash. Oh, No.

[Eugene]

55. Reid: ‘I Don’t Agree’ With Lieberman

Source: Think Progress

Reid: ‘I Don’t Agree’ With Lieberman, Iran Attack
Will Only Further Destabilize Middle East

In an interview with ThinkProgress, Senate Majority Leader
Harry Reid (D-NV) today rejected Sen. Joe Lieberman’s (I-CT)
threats of a war against Iran. On CBS’s Face the Nation,
Lieberman claimed that “we have to be prepared to take
aggressive military action ” against Iran.

“I know Joe feels strongly about that part of the world. I do
too,” said Reid, rejecting Lieberman’s calls for ratcheting up
tensions. “I believe our efforts should be diplomatic in nature,”
Reid said, citing the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group
and others to hold a regional conference to resolve security
issues in the Middle East. Reid also noted that “we are so
overextended” that the U.S. does not have the ground troops
necessary for a war with Iran.

“The invasion of (Iran) is only going to destabilize that part
of the world more,” Reid charged. “I know Joe means well, but
I don’t agree with him.”

-snip-

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/11/reid-lieberman-iran

[Jacobin]

57. He also voted to block no confidence on Gonzales

He's a full fledged neo-con whack job

[LeftishBrit]

59. Too right!

He's a loony.

[truthisfreedom]

60. Hey joe, whatever you suggest that we do to Iran, the Democrats are going to do to your party.

You sniveling traitor.