Lawsuit: Katrina Pets Executed

[RamboLiberal]

Source: ABC News

For nearly two years, pet owners from the low-lying Louisiana parish of St. Bernard have accused sheriff's deputies of having wantonly killed dozens of dogs they forced evacuees to leave behind during Hurricane Katrina in 2005, without regard to the dogs' size or the potential threat they might pose.

One owner said her family was forced at gunpoint to leave its dog behind. Another owner said residents became frantic when, they said, they overheard one deputy claim that "once everybody's gone, we're going to have target practice tonight." They claim in court papers that deputies were under orders to shoot every dog they found.

Two deputies have already been indicted by a grand jury in New Orleans on charges of felony, aggravated cruelty to animals. The Louisiana attorney general's office is investigating and this morning lawyers for a group of owners will file a comprehensive complaint in federal court in Louisiana seeking class action status for their clients.

For the first time, the St. Bernard Parish sheriff's office has acknowledged to ABC News' Law & Justice Unit that an internal investigation has been launched.



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3265151&page=1

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This white poodle, Gigi, was among the dogs allegedly killed by authorities after their owners were forcibly evacuated during Hurricane Katrina. A lawsuit says an animal rescue worker found Gigi shot in the head.

IMHO any officer who did this deserves to be fired, possibly imprisoned and lose their right to ever own a gun.

[Scout]

1. this just makes me sick

for the pets, for the owners, for humanity in general...

[snappyturtle]

50. Me too! These families went through way too much and then to

find out their pet was shot is unbearable....a rescued pet returned to a family would have helped them in enduring the hardships.

[Decruiter]

105. Those that took part in this crime are not human. They don't have any

humanity.

Lots of tears for the pets left behind and those that had to leave them. So wrong, just so wrong.

How could anyone do this? It is beyond me, just stupifies me.

I'm so sorry and that is probably why I do believe bad is coming our way. A dark cloud along with a bad wind.

[marshall]

167. What happened with the PEOPLE who were euthanized?

I love my pets, but I wonder what lawsuits or charges have been filed against the hospital that allegedly euthanized bed ridden patients.

[tmlanders]

2. What a horrible fate for these furry family members...

Whoever it was in the Sheriff's department that ordered these killings should be tried, convicted, and sent to jail forever. Same with the sadists who carried out the murders.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

3. If I ever found myself...

in the position of being forcibly separated from my pets and later found out they had been killed by authorities, oh man, watch out, it would not be pretty. :mad: :mad:

[guruoo]

10. They probably would have

had to cap me, too. If not, I would have eventually
gone back and found them.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

4. It's not as if these people didn't already suffer enough.

"Once everybody's gone, we're going to have target practice tonight." Yeah, that's just what they needed to overhear. :mad:

[Divine Discontent]

6. good HEAVENS

that was a real comment? oh good night! ya know, with THESE kind of men (you know... the bubbas from your senior class who go and become cops and make the few good ones go, "what the hell are they doing on the force?"), that since they have no respect for animals, that the same is the case for humans... the level of hostility and animosity to the black population there must have been huge. If these types run out of animals to shoot, they'll start shooting people for 'target practice'

EVIL

JUST EVIL


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[barb162]

149. It's a very sick comment and those idiots shouldn;t have been

in law enforcement

[catgirl]

5. Army personel were also shooting dogs

I was there (rescuing). Dogs ran up to people when they heard them. Some
army members took this as a "threat". These dogs just wanted food
and companionship.

The big case in the news is the high school where owners placed their dogs
for safety. One dog was rescued after the target practice. She was a black pitbull
hiding in a corner. She was the lucky one. These officers are being tried for their
crimes. The army guys got away with it.

[aquart]

8. How did they not know it was wrong? How did they NOT know?

[shance]

49. Threat my ass. They just wanted to kill something.

This Administration is creating troops who want to kill anything that moves.

The cruelty of this group in DC is unprecedented and what they are created is going to be unleashed on everyone.

Its already happened in America. Here's but one example.

[aquart]

7. Is St. Bernard's where they had guns at the bridge?

[Tempest]

9. No

It was Gretna.

[ComerPerro]

30. its not about not knowing. Its all about not caring if its wrong

[uppityperson]

78. No, St Bernards flooded deep, is to east of Lower 9th Ward

Go further east, toward the lake outlet. It flooded from several directions, rooftop level, top of utility poles in some places.

[CountAllVotes]

11. #5 recommendation

for the Greatest Page sadly.

To THE HAGUE for the murderers of man's best friends!

:mad:

:kick: & REC.

[ThomCat]

12. That is just terribly sick.

:cry:

[Lerkfish]

13. um, true, this is bad, but I save my outrage for this

[kimmylavin]

15. Hmm...

Don't think anyone is suggesting they're not outraged over the human toll of this total disaster.
However, this post was about pets.
I think people can be outraged over more than one thing - just look at all the practice we've had these past 6 years...

[Lerkfish]

24. you make a valid point.

[EFerrari]

17. I remember that story. The thing is, one doesn't obviate the other.

:cry:

[A HERETIC I AM]

47. Seems to me there was a story of a guy in a wheelchair AND his dog...

if i am not mistaken, ABC did a piece on a guy who was homeless in NO, had a dog and when they came to rescue him, he had to leave his dog. He was heartbroken (as i most certainly would have been as well) but as it turned out, either the correspondent or an animal welfare activist took the pup to a shelter and a few weeks later the two were reunited.

To be sure, there is plenty of outrage to go around.

[freeplessinseattle]

22. yeah, if you don't have much capacity better dole out your

outrage and compassion sparingly. Don't want to feel too much now.

[Lerkfish]

23. uncalled for comment.

but I'm not surprised. As I clearly stated, what happened in this thread is bad, but I'm more outraged by HUMANS left to die for no reason. If you think I have my priorities messed up, that says more about you.

[jilln]

34. Actually, what you said was you were ONLY outraged about the humans

That's what "I save my outrage for..." means.

So in your attempt to appear MORE caring than someone who cares about animals, you actually came out LESS caring, since you care ONLY for humans.

[Lerkfish]

38. my apologies, then.

I'm the asshole here.

[The Doctor.]

74. Comparing the apathy to human suffering with the bloodlust for killing pets

really is like comparing different fruits.

The ignorance of the desperate needs of the people was villainous.

The killing of innocent pets merely seeking food and friendship was monstrous.


I fear to say how I would have dealt with 'officers' I found had killed my pets without cause.

[catgirl]

60. Except many people stayed behind BECAUSE of their pets...

and died. The whole thing is tragic and it didn't have to happen.
Perhaps these police (and army personnel) should have been using
this time to search for survivers-like the elderly who couldn't get
out. So, the human tragedy is closely linked with the animal tragedy.
And trust me, the animal tragedy changed the lives of all the rescuers
down there. It was beyond heartbreaking. The news media didn't show the
emaciated dogs and cats, the starved horses, the dead animals. They also
didn't show the dead humans that waited with their pets in vain to be rescued.

[JanMichael]

68. why do we have to define our outrage in degrees?

We shouldn't have a finite amount of compassion, or outrage at inhumanity to all living things, to dole out as we see fit.

Priorities? I wasn't aware that I needed to prioritize my compassion for all creatures. I don't think you do either.

Prioritize activities, not emotions.

[Lorien]

29. God, I get so sick of the holier than thou "I care MORE about people"

posts too. I can't imagine having a heart that has so limited a quantity of compassion that it's ONLY doled out selectively to those deemed "worthy" enough. Jesus, it IS having compassion for people when a person loses a beloved pet; sometimes that pet is all the family they have!! Animals give so much to our species and are often treated so cruelly and thoughtlessly in return. As Gandhi said "you can tell a lot about a people by the way they treat their animals". The people and their pets deserved far, far better after Katrina. :cry:

[Lerkfish]

33. my apologies.

next time there's a pet thread, I'll stay away.

[slowry]

55. It's ok, but I have bad news.

[Lerkfish]

61. LOL! cute picture

[RamboLiberal]

28. We are all outraged by the humans who were abandoned

by Chimpy and his Brownie FEMA bunch, but after the humans were evacuated there was no reason to kill the pets like this. There were already many humane agencies in the U.S. who at this time were already mobilizing to rescue the animals. This was just another Katrina crime in a litany of crimes by Feds and local officials.

During the last 7 years I've spent nearly everyday of my life in outrage at what this bunch have wrought on this country and many of us.

[jilln]

31. Didn't know outrage and compassion came in finite amounts.

Always has to be someone on the animal threads insisting that people are more important, whether that's the topic or not.

[Lerkfish]

32. I guess I'm one of those idiots, then.

sorry.

[Raine]

37. I don't have to "save" my outrage

I have enough outrage and sympathy to have it for both people and animals. I can hurt for all that's just the way it is with me. :-(

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. It is all one outrage -

the perpetrators of both are the same.

[Lerkfish]

40. exactly.

[A HERETIC I AM]

48. Lerkfish, you're a stand up guy.

Admitting you made an inappropriate statement, if the posts of yours above are sincere, is something too rarely seen on DU.

Good on ya.:toast:

[Lerkfish]

62. yeah, I was having a bad day and just typed without thinking.

not an excuse, I take full responsibility, just an explanation. I"m on muscle relaxers and anti-inflammatories and I find I have limited patience sometimes when medicated.

[EFerrari]

67. At least you didn't post my Edwards theard or my Hillary thread.

Whew! That was bad!

:)

[emilyg]

100. At least you have a good excuse

I stay impatient

[TankLV]

157. Here here - he's SINCERELY apologized MANY TIMES now...

Cut the poor guy some slack...

[flvegan]

43. Up your compassion bandwidth.

Outrage saved is outrage wasted.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

103. Hell, when you use up your outrage bandwidth...

Just run another pissed-off OC-192. ;-)

[nankerphelge]

90. It's not an either/or proposition

n/t

[kimmylavin]

14. Oh God...

How could they?
What the hell is WRONG with these people???

Incidentally, I wouldn't go anywhere without my pets. Like another poster said, they'd have to cap me too. My home emergency plan includes just where the (ready-to-go) carriers are, as well as vacuum-sealed pet food and animal water bottles. They mean too much to me for me to give them any less...

[robinlynne]

26. not really. animals are in the same position as children. We are supposed to protect them.

They are helpless alone, because this society belongs to us.

[EFerrari]

16. That's IT. We are now the old Soviet Union.

:cry:
:mad:

[femrap]

72. Ain't that the truth....

I've even been working on my Russian accent...lol!

[jollyreaper2112]

18. This is why it's good I don't own a gun

One owner said her family was forced at gunpoint to leave its dog behind. Another owner said residents became frantic when, they said, they overheard one deputy claim that "once everybody's gone, we're going to have target practice tonight." They claim in court papers that deputies were under orders to shoot every dog they found.

I would have shot the deputy on the spot, to hell with even checking on if he was just making a sick joke. My pets go with me during the evacuation. In the car if the storm looks bad, in the house if it looks small. We're not in a flood zone so we can survive the roof blowing off if we have to, we're not going to drown.

[byronius]

19. Hey, they just didn't think the Federal Government ought to be involved in the pet rescue business.

Or the people rescue business, or the levee building business, or the governing business, or any business which does not immediately profit donors to the Bush campaign.

Rule by Cruel Stupidity leads to Cruel Stupidity. Hmm.

[Vanje]

89. Best post of the week

[Kool Kitty]

114. Very well said.

I'd like to find out who gave the orders to shot the animals. And then I would like a baseball bat.

[NashVegas]

20. While One *Would Expect* to See Unrescued Animals Euthanized,

One would not expect to find police and Nat'l Guard taking pleasure in it.

RL, you're right, they should lose their gigs and their guns. Not exactly people I would trust to protect and serve.

[catgirl]

130. Actually we got help from many National Guardsmen

who helped put out food and water, grabbed some pets and brought them to us, or
led us to houses that had pets inside. There were also army guys who felt compassion
towards the animals. While a few shot (army guys) and killed dogs, I don't want to give
the inpression that they were all bad.

[Speaker]

21. Hey, look at the bright side.

Once we finally get total gun control through, and disarm all private citizens, the only people with guns will be the wonderful protectors in the story above.

When that happens, they may decide to let the pets live, and do target practice on the owners.

[The Doctor.]

76. Why on Earth would you want that?

The majority of folks around here realize that guns should not be absolutely outlawed.

Why do you want all private citizens disarmed?

[Speaker]

88. < /sarcasm> n/t

[EnviroBat]

128. Exactly!

And remember kids, shoot for the knees!

[silverojo]

25. People who do something like this

Would have NO qualms about shooting people, either.

Sick bunch of f*cks!!!! :mad:

[EnviroBat]

129. Yep, and if they would have no qualms about shooting people.

I imagine they would have no qualms about taking my wife or daughter into a back-room of some detention center and demonstrating what "tough guys" they are. If some shit goes down where I live, they should just pass my property and keep right on walking the fuck by... Better yet, stay home assholes, we will be fine without you.

[StarryNite]

27. Good god!

What a bunch of heartless sons of bitches! There is no excuse for what they did. The people wanted to take their animals with them. They weren't allowed. Then to find this out?! I don't even see how anybody could follow the orders to shoot the pets. No amount of brainwashing could make me do something like that. :cry:

[Raine]

35. This makes me sick

to my stomach. :cry:

[lonestarnot]

36. Sons of bitches! Rat bastards!

[colorado_ufo]

41. I'm going to be sick.

Oh, the poor children - when they learned what happened to their dear pets. The older people. The lonely, who had no one else in their lives.

So much heartache in the world, and so much that did not need to be.

[Pooka Fey]

42. Words escape me.

:cry:

[AtomicKitten]

44. this sad story has been heavy on my heart

It is so intensely horrific. People tend to wag their finger at me for expressing my outrage on this topic in light of the human death toll which of course cannot be fathomed in its entirety. But since they are not mutually exclusive, I persevere in giving a shit.

The stories and what they invoke in my head are as varied as there are many. The loyal til death and it was for so many dogs - those chained up out back never stood a chance (oh god) - the smart, independent and able cats, and assorted other creatures of the earth ...

But it is the intentional extermination carried out with this callous disregard by the good old boys of NOLA's finest that is not to be tolerated. The fact that it is perfectly normal behavior to some means they need to be taught a lesson.

Some people cannot be made to feel compassion and empathy, but they can be put in jail. If that is the only way to deal with them, so be it. Hopefully they will learn better behavior, but they will be monitored regularly like clockwork, no exceptions.

But increase the penalties and prosecute them. I would insist that jail time be mandatory.

And we must never let this happen again.

[KamaAina]

147. Not "NOLA's finest"

St. Bernard Parish (equivalent to a county elsewhere) is a New Orleans suburb with its own sheriff's department.

NOPD did not exactly cover itself with glory in the storm's aftermath (looting Caddys, Danziger Bridge shooting, etc.), but this one's not on them.

This all makes me think of a gray tabby I once knew in N.O. She was murdered, by someone wishing to exact revenge on her human, by having her leg pulled off. One wonders if her killer later joined the St. Bernard Parish Sheriff's Dept. :grr:

[judaspriestess]

45. Those poor people having to leave their pets behind

I would not leave them, they are the loves of my life, they would have to kill me before I leave them. This is not an exaggeration.

[AtomicKitten]

106. I agree.

That is indeed a fact, not an exaggeration.

And it helps to be prepared with carriers, leashes, etc.

[A HERETIC I AM]

46. Well, That'll teach me to use LBN instead of GD for these type things;

Thanks, RamboLiberal. You got the story the attention it deserved. I saw this same story earlier today and posted it in GD but it dropped off like a stone. Thanks for doing it right.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1087351&mesg_id=1087351

[Seedersandleechers]

51. I love animals more than most people....

[saracat]

53. Me too.

[Seedersandleechers]

59. After I read the article

I just had to wake up my cats to give them hugs and kisses....

[undergroundpanther]

119. Me too

Humans suck, they play games,full of shit,bigotries baggage and they are too hung up on power and trying to control everyone else to just be.
Cats are gods when compared to stupid hairless ape monsters beating their chests shooting each other dominating polluting.
I am ashamed to be a human frankly, it's disgusting how alot of humans behave most of the time. I hate it.I wish I wasn't born to be a friggin human.And I don't think the human body is beautiful at all it's gross.. Cats they are living art.

Human babies are ugly pink things with a screeching cry that drives me so batty I have to leave the room, I am so glad I have no uterus. I won't be bringing another spirit and forcing it into human shape born into this sick sad fucked up abusive human society. Compared to kittens and their sweet mews babies are horrible..
Being human is a curse.A curse to be born one,and a curse to any living planet we inhabit.

Humanity is a mess. Can't dare do anything to get rid of psychopaths in their midst,so they let them run the show.Humans get lost in their head games,too scared of each other to care.

[saracat]

52. I want to see the murderers of these animals shot in the head.Seriously.They should get the death

penalty and they should be chased and tied up like they did the dogs.I have NO mercy for them.

[Joanne98]

54. The largest massacre of man's best friend in American history!

[rpannier]

112. No...The chinese got this beat by miles.

Last year they went into towns in the middle of the night, banged on drums and gongs. When the dogs barked, they forced their way into people's homes, dragged out the dogs and bludgeoned them to death.

At first the Chinese government denied it.

Then, when this story made it to the news here in Korea, as well as Vietnam, Japan, Thailand, India and Russia the Chinese government fessed up and promised not to do it again and that people would be punished.

Most reports placed in at a few thousand dogs.

on note: They never said which people. My guess is, the people who owned the dogs and some low level flunky. Not high mid and upper level officials.

[TankLV]

158. OK - so we're no better than the Chinese, then...

Glad for the "comparison"...

[rpannier]

161. Pretty much

You see it here all the time.
Someone criticizes someone else's favorite and they reply with, "Well, he's better than bush!"
Like that's very difficult.
Go straight to the bottom for comparisons to make your position look good.

[LeftyMom]

164. And in the fur farms too

:(

[frustrated_lefty]

56. One more thing on top of another.

[Limelight]

57. They'll never be convicted

And I'll go ahead and draw all the ire out there by saying, nor should they be.

I know exactly what their defense is going to be. They were in the middle of a rescue effort where the preservation of HUMAN life was paramount. Riding around in boats and helicopters where space is limited and everyone one and thing you load is that much less time you have to get to others you're trying and remember the goal is to pick up as many people as you can. A dog or cat only takes up space.

And, even if we're talking about one of those little teacup dogs that weigh 5 pounds and fit in a hand bag, it doesn't matter how big they are. When one pet owner sees another pet owner with their animal, no matter how much smaller it is, there's going to be a huge argument about "How come they can bring theirs, but I can't bring mine?" I mean are the cops and other assorted rescuers supposed to bring along a scale to see if the animal meets some arbitrary 10, 15, 20 pound limit for rescue, or get engaged in some long, drawn out argument when time is off the essence? A hard and fast rules saves and argument. No pets period. No matter how big or small, no pets. If the same standard goes to everyone that's fair (under most circumstances, not always of course).

And as for cruelty... I know dogs and cats are like members of the family for those that own them and I get that, but here's the thing... What's more cruel? Leaving the animal to starve and fend for itself when it has no training or experience in doing so? Letting it swelter in the heat while it tries to eat whatever rotten, half putrid thing it can find and drink the by toxic water it's surrounded by? All the while wishing and waiting for their beloved families to come back and get them even though it could have been days or weeks before they would even be allowed to try? That's cruelty if you ask me. I say, while painful to the human, just like a horse with a broken leg, it's far less cruel to put them down before they do have to suffer.

And for those who say even if you have to leave them after you get the people rescue the animals. Give me a break. Pounds and animal shelters under the best of circumstances are over crowded and under funded. Now you're going to try to flood surrounding shelters with hundreds, maybe thousands of stray animals? Or try to set up make shift shelters so you can try to reunite animals with their owners. Despite the fact that, with people being displaced in droves and relocated to states all around the countries some people were more concerned with trying to figure out where their kids, husbands, wives, sisters, brothers, etc. were with a system that was slow and cumbersome. You're going to make it even slower by adding animals to the mix. C'mon....

I'll grant you this. It's pretty "dickish" to be making jokes/comments about target practice, but unless these animals show signs they were maimed and injured, toyed with out of some kind of sadistic desire to inflict pain this is a meaningless argument.

Despite the fact that I'm definitely thinking it, I won't go with the "it's just an animal" argument cuz I get that people love their animals as part of the family and I won't trample on that. However, if you set the emotion aside and get to the practicalities of it, nobody should be denied their spot in the rescue boat so Rusty or Spot can get to safety.

Hate to do the long diatribe, but I'm just so sick of people yelling and screaming to save the whales, the trees, the spotted owl, the planet, but some how don't seem to be nearly so vehement about saving PEOPLE. You wanna be mad about something concerning Katrina be mad about them doing a shit job at saving the human beings that needed it.

[EV_Ares]

58. Too bad because you are going to continue hearing it and you should

just close your ears if it bothers you.

You said the following:

""Hate to do the long diatribe,

"but I'm just so sick of people yelling and screaming to save the whales, the trees, the spotted owl, the planet, but some how don't seem to be nearly so vehement about saving PEOPLE."


You wanna be mad about something concerning Katrina be mad about them doing a shit job at saving the human beings that needed it.""

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A lot of those animals could have been taken with their owners/families. However, with the excellent planning and work of "heck of a job brownie", a lot of things were screwed up.

No need for your attitude however.

[fudge stripe cookays]

65. This wasn't just a matter of "places in boats"

This was a matter of people taking GLEE out of killing poor defenseless animals.

Ever heard of Teri Crisp? She has an organization that rescues animals in disaster situations. There are plenty of others that do as well. They were making plans to get to NO as soon as the levees failed.

Instead of keeping these animals in the gyms and other building where they were housed, they SHOT them.

I'm sick of people pointing fingers at animal lovers and telling us we don't value human life. We can do both. Evidently, your heart isn't that big.

[Limelight]

69. My question would be...

While local, state and federal officials are trying to rescue people why are we gumming up the works and slowing down their progress (cuz God knows they didn't make much) by making them responsible for going after stray animals?

The first isn't a big enough responsibility? Now they have to divert time and resources to being dog catchers? It just isn't practical. And in a situation like Katrina's aftermath that's what's called for.

And by the way... Just because one asshole made some off color comment every single individual who put down a dog or cat took glee? Exactly how do you know that? Perhaps many did it with a heavy hearts. I think you (and many others) are jumping to some real serious conclusions.

[fudge stripe cookays]

124. It's pointless to argue with you.

You will never get it.

[WindRavenX]

143. ...

I'm sick of people pointing fingers at animal lovers and telling us we don't value human life. We can do both. Evidently, your heart isn't that big.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

AMEN FSC!

[fudge stripe cookays]

150. Thanks hun.

My Fargles is my baby, and he's a huge boy.

If I was forced to leave him behind, and then found out someone had done this to him, that person wouldn't need a trial. They'd find them strung up from the nearest tree. By their privates. With a greeting card with a little happy face on it signed by me.

[TankLV]

160. Exactly!

[Vanje]

91. shooting the dogs to keep them from suffering is like...

burning down the Walmart to keep it from being looted.

Only the walmart was not burned down.
The Walmart belongs to a rich white man.

[rpannier]

126. Did you forget to proofread your post

"...I'm just so sick of people yelling and screaming to save the whales, the trees, the spotted owl, the planet..." :think: :wtf:


Saving the planet SAVES people...not sure how you missed that. :wow:
Unless you have access to another planet the rest of us are unaware of.

You save the trees, again...because it saves people. :banghead:
I assume you've been paying attention to the research that shows a major reason for global warming is the intense cutting down of trees in the Amazon and other places around the world.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that saving the whales and owl are bad things, unless you work for the timber industry or the whaling industry.

[Coventina]

135. Oh brother.

:eyes:

[jilln]

136. Read the thread

99% of the people here who have expressed concern for animals have also expressed concern for people. Yet you "PEOPLE FIRST!!! PEOPLE ONLY!!! SAVE THE BABIES!!!" obsessives ONLY care about people. Therefore, when it comes to caring, you are NOT SUPERIOR.

Saying something over and over doesn't make it true, as you may have noticed by watching Republicans. Every single "animal person" I know also works for human causes, and yet you "humans only" folks can't even muster up decent sympathy for animals. It's pathetic.

[The M Double]

142. Thank you...

For this diatribe!
I was trying to decide if I should...
Well done.

[TankLV]

162. Ahh - another scumbag AND a coward too boot!

Get lost!

[TankLV]

159. I'd like to say a hearty "FUCK YOU" and "GET LOST" to you...

You're NOT welcome here.

The sooner you leave you and crap, the better...

Again,

A hearty, and well deserved "FUCK YOU".

I hope you suffer as much as those innocent creatures....

I hope this upsets you, but I know it won't because YOU DON'T CARE...

[LeftyMom]

165. Ooh, you're going to get along beautifully here.

:sarcasm:

PS: Saving the planet IS saving people, unless you've got a summer home on the moon and neglected to invite the rest of us.

[beevul]

63. Disgusting...

"IMHO any officer who did this deserves to be fired, possibly imprisoned and lose their right to ever own a gun."

I couldn't agree more, and I am one of those gun rights supporters people often seem not to care for so much.

"They claim in court papers that deputies were under orders to shoot every dog they found."

They'd have to shoot us first and pry em from our cold dead hands. Any person that could shoot the poodle in the OP or dogs like ours, or ANY dogs in this scenario, is a monster plain and simple...and has no business ever touching a gun.

[OnyxCollie]

64. What's offensive is that these animals did not die from the hurricane,

they were killed by cops who could not find value in a beloved pet. No empathy, no compassion, just the self-centered pleasure of using dogs for target practice.

Pets, people, Iraqis- what do they care? It's all about them now.

[NoodleyAppendage]

66. Sorry, but the cold hard fact is that lots of pigs are sociopaths.

While there are plenty of good cops, there are many cops with rampant with sociopathic tendencies and raging hardons for shooting their guns.

J

[undergroundpanther]

116. I wish there was a way

to exclude sociopaths,from society, Maybe abort them before they draw their first breath.Sociopaths make EVERYTHING here worse.I wish there was a fool proof way to detect them no matter how much they manipulate and hide what they are.A sure way to separate them from the population of human beings and than wipe them off this world forever.Some people have toxic personalities and they see no reason to change they think they are perfect as they ruin everyone around them,the only way is to exile them away from non sociopaths until they die,or wipe them out.

[Greylyn58]

70. God All Mighty

will the horrors of Katrina and it's aftermath never end. The people were forced to leave their beloved pets and we saw what happened to alot of them...left to fend for themselves, cut off and starving in most cases.

Now this!! I hope that any and everyone involved are given the maximum.

I can't even imagine being forced to leave my boy and then to find out something like this was done to him. I'm not a violent person, but this would definitely make me.

My heart goes out to all who lose their babies in this horror.

[ChazII]

71. Sheriff Joe of Maricopa County

took in some of NO's pets. It was in the news for several days. Many people took the animals into their homes. Too bad more of the pets could not be brough here. Did other states step up and take some of the animals?

[LiberalFighter]

96. Many pet organizations stepped up. If you mean state orgs probably not.

[catgirl]

132. Of course they did!

No kill shelters all over the US took in animals. There were hardly
any people left in New Orleans to take in animals, although a few
pets did find new homes there. The state of Louisiana banned exports
of animals for the first 20-25 days because of some stupid old law, so
the make-shift shelter in Gonzoles had to stop taking in animals for that
period of time (no room left). The state screwed up big time. There were
trucks waiting to bring animals out. This was a disgrace.

By the way, shelters in Canada also took in animals. There were many
Canadians helping out.

[ChazII]

134. Thanks for letting me know.

The press did mention that AZ was not the only state they just did not mention which ones nor did they say a word about Canada.

[Kurovski]

73. I've never understood why sadism is not classified

as mental illness.

Too useful to the powers that be, I suppose.

[benny05]

75. Jeea, I gave money to LSU to help the rescued pets

It wasn't enough, they did their job and yet, the slimebuckets did this, despite protests and legislation to help the animals. The legislation didn't pass through? Cannot recall.

Sucks.

[orleans]

79. i donated to help the pets too. don't recall which organization tho.

our block raised money for the red cross right after the hurricane, neighbors had a semi we loaded up with clothes & baby items & bottled water

what has happened in the aftermath in nola is unfucking real--so disgraceful.

and this story is truly heartbreaking. i can't imagine being in that situation--

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO AMERICA???
WHERE DID AMERICA GO?

[frankly_fedup2]

82. From what I remember of the news at the time, PETA spokesperson stated

that they had an agreement with FEMA regarding pets during disasters. Their agreement was that the animals were to be rescued just as the people were or that FEMA allowed PETA officials in there to do some of the work. I don't remember it verbatim; however, I do remember something about it on the news. Of course, FEMA was a complete failure to the people without apology so why should they care about any poor, dumb animals. Problem is those animals aren't as dumb as some people think.

An animal has the same cognitive skills as a two-year-old child. They just do not have the verbal capacity. But they can feel fear, pain, sorrow, love, horror, terror, and anything else a child can feel. I would like those murderers to know that their "target practice" was no different then shooting a bunch of 2-year olds for fun. I bet they wouldn't have enjoyed it so much if they had had the mental capacity to see it through the eyes of the animals they butchered.

As for leaving MY pets . . . I'd cap the ass of those that threatened them first . . . would do it in a heartbeat because my dog and cat are my babies.

[Dukkha]

77. an eye for an eye would be appropriate justice here

that's all I have to say publicly about this

[LisaL]

80. I still remember the story of poor little dog, snowball.

I wonder what had happened to him.
He was separated from a little boy when the boy had to board the bus.

[swimmernsecretsea]

83. News footage showed the child so distraught he became sick

and vomited on the rescue bus. Think of him, now, wondering if that is what happened to his dog, thinking of the trooper who suggested "target practice" on his beloved pet.

I am so angry.

[LisaL]

86. Snowball was also a little white dog, looking similar to the

poodle in the Original Post.
There were reports afterwards that Snowball was found, but I didn't think they were particularly credible.

[leftyladyfrommo]

137. I think they found that dog and he was reunited with that

little boy.

[swimmernsecretsea]

81. I keep seeing "I feel sick" in people's postings

and I feel it, too. What is it we're feeling, folks? Think about it. For a moment, we realized that we felt the ground underneath us shift, and we found ourselves in a crueler, uglier place than the America we thought we knew. Remember that. Feel it. Feel it when you go to the polls, when you see someone on Fox News, when you hear some advisor to the President lying, once again, about how nobody knew how bad Katrina was going to be. USE THAT FEELING.

[BrklynLiberal]

84. There are no words to express my disgust and abhorrence toward the people that executed those pets.

I cannot even conceive of a punishment that would make me feel that they got what they deserved.
This was one of the most obscene, cruel things that I have ever heard of.
I hope everyone of those involved rots in hell...slowly, and painfully.

Or perhaps they can be eaten alive by dogs....

Sorry but I am just too horrified to be rational about this.

[entanglement]

85. Maybe THIS incident will finally open people's eyes to police brutality

Maybe the dozens of taser deaths, murderous shootings and all-round criminality and abuse of power weren't sufficient.

[bitchkitty]

87. When I first heard about this it sent me into depression -

but it's not surprising how cruel humans can be to animals - I've followed the SHAC7 vs. HLS case - I watched an undercover video of a lab full of beagle puppies, and the casual cruelty almost made me suicidal.

This is just much more blatant because they didn't think they'd get caught, they didn't think anyone would care. But it's nothing new, and it's not just Southern bubbas (classism is ugly, guys). It's a lot of people. It's those who do it for a living. And we allow much of it to happen when we purchase the newest super-duper stain removing brand new improved fresh smelling whatever, without thought to how it was produced, and at what cost. We're the consumers - we have a voice here, don't we?
If we allow it to happen because we don't have to witness it, and we buy these products, that makes us guilty too, right?

Sorry to go a bit off track, this is an issue close to my heart, I have a 2 1/2 year old lemon Beagle. Here's his picture so you know I'm not lying when I say that my dog is the best looking dog on the West Coast, if not the country. ;)



edited for dumb-assedness

[ellie]

92. God, I hate the police.

[LiberalFighter]

97. They sure don't help their image... do they?

[LiberalFighter]

93. It should be tit for tat... law officers have a higher responsibility althought too many times...

they don't meet the bar.

[nankerphelge]

94. Dark Water Rising

Anyone interested in how Hurricane Katrina impacted pets should see the documentary "Dark Water Rising: Survival Stories of Hurricane Katrina Animal Rescues." It's still fairly depressing, but there are a few uplifting points where people are reunited with pets.

http://www.darkwaterrising.com/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0876103/

[Canuckistanian]

95. We all have responsibilities as human beings

Pets are animals that have been consciously been brought into the world by us.

For most, they are considered part of the family. Loved, cared for and protected from harm. And animal abusers are always considered to be the worst of the worst.

There's something wrong with people who have no compassion for these pets.

The wanton destruction of these animals is a crime that should not be ignored.

[and-justice-for-all]

98. So why did they have to leave these family members behind??

This is appalling and blantent animal creulty, (Here PETA PETA PETA)..The ASPCA and the Human Society of the US should be pounching on this..

I was disgusted to see this on the news as it was happening, I was sickened to the core and pisst of! The people FORCED to leave those family members behind should sue FEMA's fucking ass off too. there is no way I would ever leave any of my family members to die, EVER or for any reason..

People make me sick. Sometimes, I really think a mass extiction would be a good thing about now.

[txwhitedove]

99. Thank you for a Katrina story about somewhere other than New Orleans....

My heart bleeds for all creatures affected by Katrina. But, St. Bernard Parish is NOT New Orleans. Mississippi and Alabama are NOT New Orleans. Hurricane Katrina "happened" to more than New Orleans, and the whole saga prior, during and the dirty backwash of the aftermath, all make me sick. I was upset enough during the storm when I realized my grown daughter had neglected my son's dog and suddenly found him trying to climb out the sun roof of her car when the 34-foot tidal surge made it's way to her house on the hill, pretty much the highest point of Bay St. Louis. My dog was tucked under my arm for hours. We stayed at her house because of the kids and pets, so we wouldn't be stuck on I-10 for hours like our friends were during the last storm, and because it had never, ever flooded in old town Bay St. Louis, even during Camille, and shelters don't take pets. Her house was ruined by Katrina. Afterward, when one family member made it into town to rescue us, that same daughter screamed at me because I wouldn't be rescued in a small car with 2 other adults, 2 children, muddy remnants of her belongings...., no, NOT if I had to leave my son's big dog behind. I waited another 2 days for my other daughter and her husband to come get me and the dogs. There are many more stories, mine and others. It never ends. Ugly Repiglican attitudes popped up at a new job in Houston. When you say "Katrina" here, people only think of New Orleans, glad to help "our friends from New Orleans". Just last week I had to see a chiropractor because my back seized up due to stress. When I told him the last time this happened was almost 2-years ago after Hurricane Katrina when I moved from Mississippi to Houston, the Dr. said in effect the Mississippians hadn't complained, you know, like "the others" who needed to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Yes, indeed, this was the man who was going to adjust my back? I looked him in the eye and said, "Some people don't have bootstraps." Mine are pretty damn frayed.

[shireen]

101. Thank you, Pasado's Safe Haven, for never giving up ...

They are heroes in this story ... when other animal rescue groups paid cursory attention to this tragedy, Pasados aggressively pursued the sick cruel horrors who murdered those lovely little souls. They paid for the initial investigations, not an easy thing to do when so many people were struggling to keep up with rescues and reuniting pets & their humans. They were amazing, and I'll always be deeply grateful to them, not just for making sure justice will be done in this terrible crime, but also for the outstanding job they did with rescues at NOLA.

http://www.pasadosafehaven.org/KATRINA/DOGSHOOTING/HISTORY.htm
<warning ... very sad photos. The killings themselves are blurred out but it doesn't take much imagination to see how bad it was.>

To donate,
http://www.pasadosafehaven.org/DONATIONS/Donate_Home.htm
<safe to go there, there are cute fuzzy faces, some real goofs!>

[catgirl]

133. ARNO (Animal Rescue New Orleans) is still rescueing animals

This group began when all the big animal organizations left (including HSUS, Pasados...).
ARNO is still there rescuing animals and has a shelter. If anyone wants to help, a donation
to this group would be a great way to do it. There are still thousands of animals on the streets
that need rescueing.

Best Friends out of Utah stuck it out for a long time too. They had a shelter set up in
Mississippi, and worked with ARNO while they were there.

[EndElectoral]

102. What causes such sickness in these people? Just tough to read.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

104. Jesus Christ...

This sounds like a scene from a really, really bad movie.

Except people really live it.

It's things like this that tell me we live in Amerika. America is gone.

[rec_report]

107. Recommendation #47.

n/t

[roguevalley]

108. there is a dark place in hell for these people. this makes me

despair to a degree I didn't think possible. I could never go to the gulf. I would have ten thousand dogs and cats in my car before I left.

[Gloria]

109. Police brutality....no question. And one has to wonder about how

they treat people, since there is a body of evidence that links cruelty to animals to violence against other human beings.

[Gloria]

110. Please donate to the LA. SPCA!! They are in a building WITHOUT

running water. They lug buckets of water trying to maintain sanitation. This is for 350 to 400 animals in their temporary shelter.


The "hurricane safe" mailing address is:

Laura Maloney
Louisiana SPCA
PO Box 96495
Washington, DC 20090-6495

I can't imagine what would happen if another storm hits.....

[Bryn]

111. How So Sad!

:cry:

I have a dog and five cats. They're my babies.

If all the beasts were gone, men would die from a great loneliness of spirit, for whatever happens to the beasts also happens to the man. All things are connected. Whatever befalls the Earth befalls the sons of the Earth.

~Chief Seattle of the Suwamish Tribe, letter to President Franklin Pierce

[hang a left]

113. Speechless

I am just speechless

[undergroundpanther]

115. I'd like to see

The fucking asshole pigs who shot the dogs,joking about"target practice rounded up and shot.Fucking psychopath pieces of shit. I wish every psychopath would die tonight,every last one.Just.drop.dead.

[Duppers]

117. heartless assholes!

I guess these poor guys didn't have a chance...


Well, maybe, but just maybe, since National Geographic shot this photos, perhaps they had some influcence?

Pets: Hurricane Katrina's Other Victims
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/photogalleries/hurricane_katrina_pets/photo3.html

[undergroundpanther]

120. Aww those guys they are just

so sweet, sitting there waiting.
I would be glad to see those fucking pigs that think nothing of shooting dogs like these three, and the poodle upthread shot.Some humans are psychopaths and are too fucking toxic to be allowed to exist, let alone carry a weapon..

[Duppers]

122. thanks panther

You said what I was too timid tonight to say, but you expressed my sentiments exactly.

[Duppers]

123. that photo

has been one of my scrolling screen savers since Katrina.

I've an intense mothering instinct toward critters, esp. the furry ones. When one of them are hurt, it's like hurting a child to me.

[Dukkha]

131. or these who made it out first class

fortunately they weren't "rescued" by trigger happy gun nuts. Seeing all those pics again reaffirms my outrage at the cowardly Democrat congress for not pursuing impeachment.

[EnviroBat]

138. Loyal Pooches, all wondering what happened to the people they love.

Wa gotta be a pretty sick waste of skin to get any joy out of killing creatures like these.

[Mystery Man]

118. That's it

stop the ride, I want to get off.

[undergroundpanther]

121. me too

Hugs to you.And hugs for anyone's pets and for those out there who care about animals and is hurting about this too.
:grouphug:
As for the pigs who shot the Katrina Animals and called it "target practice" I hope a criminal blows your brains out of your fetid skulls during a police call you fucking psychopaths.DIE!

[mrwizard]

125. We all have our limits

We process the tragedies within our scope. The human tragedy of Katrina is so far outside our understanding that it leaves us numb. But this we can get our heads around. This we can relate to.

I was a volunteer in a shelter in North-Central Louisiana. For the sake of the shelter population I couldn't afford to lose it. So I kept my public emotions pretty well under control. Hell, I was from Michigan, and unlike the folks from the Lower Ninth, I had a round trip ticket. Until the day I was in the TV room with some of the residents and they aired a story on trapped and abandoned pets and rescue efforts. I had to leave. The staff had a small private space, and one of the other volunteers found me curled up and balling my eyes out. Yep, over the animals-and specifically one damn cat.

Almost two years later and it's still the only part of the whole mess I can cry about.

[undergroundpanther]

139. Worked at a shelter awhile

But after a few months I realized I was going into a BAD depression.
I loved every cat and the dogs the occasional rabbit bird or other critters,Shelters don't just get cats and dogs only.

Anyways I steered clear of the locker vault thing with the cool to the touch door in the back because I knew what was in there.Went there once as a kid and I lost it,ran in and realized the animals in there were dead,and they had died with horrible facial expressions I asked my sister why and she told me it looks bad because they relax under the effects of the drugs it's not from pain.But for me it was a snapshot of hell I will never forget.and I would have nightmares about the shelter my cats in there and me not getting to them in time..My sister later worked at a lab for awhile and soon after that she quit working in labs,despite the stuff she was doing there was fascinating work (she has a biology degree)

I worked for a vet when I was in school during 2 summers before that. I also did wildlife rehab with my sister,and I still help with the rehab when I can. On SSI I can't afford to carry the stock of foods and other stuff you need on hand to do it proper. But I still rehab a bird every other year or so,I got some squirrels a few years back but Squirrels are out of my league to rehab. Squirrels are difficult and have nutrition issues.So I turned them over to another more experienced rehabber..They are now living on a farm in Joppa.
However I took pictures before they went beccause they were adorable.There were 3 of them.

[EnviroBat]

127. To the police, military, national guard or [insert assigned authority figure here].

If there is another disaster, natural or otherwise. Fuck off. I'll take my chances. It's really gotten to the point with me that I know now, no one is looking after us. Especially in a time of natural disaster. Has it really come to this? Do we need to protect ourselves from asshole "law enforcement" when we are already down and have the shit kicked out of us? My God, we really are alone out here. How about the next "big one" when they come to round us up and put us in detention camps? Maybe they would separate the women from the men, and send the children off somewhere else. Maybe they would completely tear our families apart. And to hell with the pets, this is all the proof we need to see the mentality behind this regime. Never in my life, in this country, did I think that victims would ever be subjected to such abuse. I can tell you here and now, that I will never be forcibly evacuated from my property and family, (including pets). These people become the enemy at that point. We must all stand against this. I for one will not be "forced at gunpoint" when the levee breaks, for me, I'll be evening up the odds a little...

This is a rant, and you may not agree with my position, but I've had enough of the bushco regime and the bullying thugs that would get a hard-on from killing defenseless pets.

Ebat out.

[undergroundpanther]

140. My neighbor was disappeared

When there was all these swat teams and stuff in my neighborhood.Nobody knows what happened. The fucking agent whoeverthefuck he was in our yard...said the guy was threatening to kill himself..but why oh why call in troops with riot shields assault rifles and packs even fucking canteens for a suicide? I don't trust the government either, if a disaster hits I'm either dying or getting out WITHOUT their approval or games.Fuck the state. They don't work for the people anymore they work for the richest.Might as well be mercenaries.
Here's an article I wrote about it.
http://www.unknownnews.org/05D31-J06d-1231Panther.html

[EnviroBat]

146. Wow! That's some freakish stuff.

That would be enough to make me borad up the windows and doors. Troubling times we are living in my friend...

[undergroundpanther]

151. I was freaked for a week

And I didn't board up my windows because I know ultimately if they wanna get me they can. But I won't be disappeared willingly or quietly, trust me..I HATE authoritarians. And I will make sure they know how MUCH I hate them.If they fuck with me.

But apparently these sorts of raids are happening more often.
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids:
An Epidemic of "Isolated Incidents"
Here's a map..
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

I love the title of this site..Homeland Stupidity..
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/07/17/police-swat-raids-the-new-domestic-terrorism/

[nitestar41]

141. Sadly

I remember it being mentioned in the news after Katrina. I was horrified at the human toll but as an animal lover I was outraged that people were being forced to leave their pets behind. I also recall hearing that when someone refused to leave behind their pet the pet was shot in front of the owner. There was too much death and sorrow caused and much of it should have never occurred. The people that went in to rescue animals were too often given a limit to how many they could rescue. They often ended up having to pick and choose who's pet would be rescued. I can't even begin to imaging what would have occurred if I had overheard a "target practice" statement. The animals were alone and hungry, How were they to know that their owners didn't leave them by choice? They had no defense. The people that would order such a thing deserve, IMO, to ROT in HELL (hopefully they believe) and the ones that carried out the orders, that can be harder because not following orders can make a lot of things happening to you, I think they, at the least, should have to rot in a jail cell and make restitutions to the families of these animals. No One can ever bring back a beloved family member.

:rant: Please be aware from here I start to rant a bit :rant:
The incompetency of the way Katrina was handled, not just in NO although that is the most discussed, is too much. There is no reason for a large family to still be sleeping in a single camper, in a small fenced in area. There is no reason for all those houses in NO sections, seldom seen on TV, to still look like they belong in a war zone. I know reconstruction takes time but the one glimpse I saw on TV there are areas still not cleaned up.

IMO There is never a good reason to force someone to leave behind a pet. There are those who feel a pet is a pet and it doesn't matter but there are those that feel that a pet is a child or a sibling. I know I would only be able to give up my pets, who in many ways are my children, would be if it was for my human child's health. Otherwise anyone who tried to separate me from my pets had better be prepared for my wrath!

I just can't get out of my head that those poor people had to suffer so much and then discover that "Fluffy" had been murdered.:grr:

[mnhtnbb]

144. Weather Channel had a pet/tornado story last night about the Hallam tornado in 04

that completely destroyed the little town not far from Lincoln, NE

After the tornado, buses were brought in to evacuate the inhabitants (100's)
and people were NOT allowed to bring their pets on the buses. They featured
a story on one couple who had a lame black lab (because of a previous spinal injury) who was denied getting on the bus. The people were made to leave, without the dog. Land of the free...right.

The Animal Control officers of Lincoln organized and drove trucks to Hallam
where they searched out and rescued animals. They made two trips, bringing
the dogs/cats/ a parrot and an iguana back to Lincoln. The black lab
was rescued and later reunited with its owners.

They were able to do this because Hallam is a tiny town. But I don't know
why the model couldn't be made to work for larger areas.

[renie408]

145. I am not sure what is right.

I just know what my gut says. And my gut says that there has to be a way to care about ALL life. It isn't as if you care about people more than animals that animals are unimportant. Or that if you strongly value animals that you undervalue humans. What it comes down to is each person taking care of what THEY 'see'. One person might see the elderly, another sees children, someone else sees housepets and others see horses or cows or goats. The key is in respecting even those things you don't 'see'.

Personally, I see animals and kids. I have compassion for the elderly, the poor and the sick. But what hits me in my gut are animals and kids in trouble or pain. I think it is because they are both innocent and so full of faith and hope. The picture of the three dogs waiting so patiently and hopefully on that roof will haunt me for days. You can just tell that those dogs are waiting faithfully for the people to come and take care of them. It makes me cry to think about it. If it doesn't hit someone else the same way, that doesn't make either of us wrong. It just makes us different.

[hlthe2b]

148. Can not even take this in...

This leaves me with that incredible sick, empty spot in my chest and stomach--that helpless feeling when you are too upset and saddened to cry... too depressed to be angry....


Agnostic, though I may be, I pray there is a warm, welcoming, loving pet heaven for these babes and may their human loved ones left behind find some sense of peace. Wrenching, simply, simply, wrenching...:cry:

[undergroundpanther]

153. If it's any comfort

A guy who was schizophrenic who lived downstairs in my residential home
The first time I met him before he elaborated on the pet heaven thing,he told me I was really lucky because I would go to pet heaven when I died because he said he knew I had a cat soul. He was the first person to say that to me,just upon meeting me,unaware that I did see myself as a panther inside.He said he knew secrets about about pet heaven.

So after he pegged me that fast, I HAD to ask him about Pet heaven..After awhile he told me..

He described it to me as a most AWESOME place, It was a place where cats dogs birds,even rats(I had a rat and he loved playing with her) Go to when they die.

He said it is a place where they don't have to fight,worry or be left alone or suffer,ever again. And there are NO bad humans allowed in pet heaven. You can visit them IF you love animals in this life and they can visit you because human heaven and pet heaven overlap.

He said in the cat heaven there were catnip fields that went on for miles, There were fish and birds they could catch but they were not alive but moved like prey and they were edible like the best cat treats ever, like moving cat treat/toys..Each of the cats had beautiful golden custom thrones to be the most comfortable place conceivable for the cat himself built to the cats body. All the time they were pet by the gods and adored by all good people even cuddled by Bast herself.(He knew I was into the Egyptian gods) And days were sunny and warm and all the cats would soak up the sun,and be loved.Forever.

The Dogs they had a wonderful heaven too,A big nightly Howl chorus,frisbees and tug toys and lots of good people to run, rest and play with,They would chase the angels in soft grass and play in big lakes of clear water, they never went hungry because dog food better than any dog food here fell from the sky for them whenever they asked for some . The dogs were never were scared, or sick,they were protected by the gods and their previous human companions and bad people could not touch a hair on any of the pets in pet heaven or even look at them without feeling fire burning them.
And all the animals in pet heaven could fly and talk to each other, too the gods angels and good people like you and I would talk.

And rat heaven it was full of peanut butter drops ,all these people with shoulders to ride on,and who loved them toys to play with,things to gnaw,and tunnels to wander in,paper to hide under,and lots of different foods to taste.They too were loved by the animals people and gods of pet heaven.And all of them were happy having fun,being loved,forever.

When he told me this I almost busted into tears.
And I believe him. Pet Heaven is real.Why? Because this world and bad people make so many pets live through hell.
It's the least they deserve. I hope the Pets murdered by the psychopath cops are playing, running and no longer are scared and feel loved..forever now.

[hlthe2b]

154. What a wonderful impression of animal heaven....

I'd like to think your friend may have had true insight on this, schizophrenic or not....

Kind souls, human and non-human DO belong together..... Thanks for sharing.....:loveya:

[One_Life_To_Give]

152. Was SOP in the 70's

Shoot the dogs rather than let them starve to death or worse. Was the standard practice in previous storms. This buisiness of Rescuing pets is new. Historically livestock including dogs etc. would not have rated being saved any more than a sofa.
You may not agree with what was historically done. But trying to change it in the middle of the storm is not the wisest choice.

[undergroundpanther]

155. Cuba

Rescues it's pets and livestock.

According to a 2004 Oxfam America report, Weathering the Storm: Lessons in Risk Reduction from Cuba, the country suffered six major hurricanes between 1996 and 2002 and yet only 16 people died. In 2004 a category-five hurricane hit Cuba destroying 20,000 homes, but there was no loss of life.
http://climateandcapitalism.blogspot.com/2007/03/acts-of-god-or-products-of-system.html

Cuban Civil Defense has begun evacuating people and livestock from the most vulnerable areas, Siegelbaum reports. Because of the poverty and lack of personal cars, evacuation is not left up to the individual. Evacuations here are a virtual military operation.
http://cbs2.com/hurricanes/hurricanes_story_239091604.html

These procedures involve much more than just saving human lives, more than 60,000 head of cattle were evacuated to higher ground and many greenhouses used for vegetable cultivation were dismantled to avoid loss or damage to their expensive structures. "We lost the tomato and cucumber crops, but in one or two months we will be able to recover those losses, because the greenhouse structures are safe," commented a government official.
http://www.ifrc.org/docs/news/02/092302/
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0111/04/sm.07.html
If you notice the phrase LACK OF PERSONAL CARS in Cuba? That didn't deter Cuba from the job ..It made it a public evacuation, including livestock pets and people.


What is needed is the construction of new societies, where human need is prioritised over corporate profits, and an international social and economic order based on solidarity, not exploitation.

Bush wouldn't help people,nor the pets or whatever livestock in New Orleans. The asshole refused international aid..Bush WANTED the poor in Nola who lacked private cars To die.
When you live without a car it is a kind of discrimination.

[One_Life_To_Give]

156. No, they evacuated pets and livestock

There is a difference between expending resources to move a Currently stable population from one location to another, versus rescuing. In the latter case people are already in distress and rescuing animals along with people will delay the process of getting help to some. Just as in a building fire I search for possible Human victims before worrying about trying to get any pets out. The Law Suit that would be filed if I saved a dog but lost a person would be huge.

[benEzra]

166. Forcing people to abandon their animals is sort of new, though. (n/t)

[TankLV]

163. I just KNEW this was happening then. Gut feeling...

I mean, if there is ONE DU'r HERE who is as freeking cruel as the couple posters above, you KNOW this had to happen...

I try very hard NOT to think about it...

God/Goddess help us all...