Moore Defends His Tactics in Latest Film

[underpants]

Source: ABC GMA

Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore is back in the ring, and he's defending his fighting style.

When asked about his infamous guerilla journalism tactics, Moore says he's just doing what any other responsible journalist should do.

"I'm using satire to make a larger point politically and socially," he said. "And you want to call that a stunt, it's certainly no different than what you would do on 'Good Morning America' on any given day except you wouldn't actually confront the government in the way I would do it."

While making the film, Moore said he learned that tales about countries like Canada and Britain having so-called socialized medicine was essentially a lie. According to him, health care in these countries is removed from politics and available to everyone.



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3269247&page=1

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Nice headline-seems that he is defending by putting them on the defensive :eyes:

Also

It says that he doesn't offer the insurance company's perspective-why should he? Their "perspective" is what has the system established as it is AND their "perspective" is heard daily by their bribing er excuse me campaign contributions to the lawmakers

Lastly (I am starting a GD thread on this) is Gitmo Cuba or is it a US military base?

[kenny blankenship]

1. Gitmo is Cuban soil leased from 1903 onwards by the US

in 1934 the lease was renegotiated. I don't know what the expiration date is, but usually long term leases like this are 99 years. So if the term were renegotiated in 1934 then maybe the lease is up in 2034. (otherwise under the original lease I would suspect it would already be expired) But maybe the Cubans were roped into signing a lease "in perpetuity". They might have been, seeing as the only reason we have a base lease there at all is due to defeating Spain in the 1898 war. Cuba could be described as a "motivated seller"--motivated to give us what we want or else. Since 1959, Cuba under Castro has rejected the legal standing of the lease arrangement and refuses to accept payment, which since that payment is a whopping 2,000 dollars a year is mighty big gesture on the part of Fidel.

Whether US Law and International Law is supposed to apply in Guantanamo Bay is an ongoing point of contention between the Bushler Regime on one side, and lawyers for the detainees and human rights and Constitutional scholars and Geneva Conventions scholars on the other. It seems the fight boils down to the Bushler side claiming "Our legal view prevails since you can't physically make us follow any other", which is about what you'd expect from Nazis.

[Kagemusha]

6. I believe it's a perpetual lease. The US pays minimal dues and keeps it indefinitely

Hey, it was Cuba in 1934. What can we expect.

[Red1]

2. Who Cares About Tactics?

The facts are, you can kiss any dream of enjoying your retirement savings goodbye. Unless you one rich SOB, your healthcare costs are going to wipe out all that hard earned cash.

The nazi pharmy industry and the gestopo insurance corps have one job and one job only, to seperate you from your savings.

And guess what? the dems are right up there with the rightwing handjobs takin money from the lobbiest representing these fine institutions.

Better pull yo heads out guys, the current govt. in this country doesn't represent your best interests, only theirs, a fact

red1

[Orsino]

3. Not sure if what he does should be called journalism...

I just know we need a lot more of it. He may have built a career almost entirely on pretending not to understand being asked to leave, but he's asking the right questions.

[Red1]

4. Yeah, Really

Journalism? In this country?

What, we need some special panache to illustrate the disease of the greedy P.O.S. executives that control the health industry? the insurance industry?

Isn't journalism supposed to contain "TRUTH?"

Anyone noticed this little requirement within those entities that are called THE NEWSPAPERS?

Nope, screw journalistic snobbery, just the facts, please sweet Jesus just the facts

red1

[Toots]

18. Isn't journalism supposed to contain "TRUTH?"

That is an interesting subject. Fox News was sued for tell LIES and it went to court. The court ruled Fox was under no obligation to be truthful...:shrug: Fair and Balanced that it is...

[SemperEadem]

5. yes, journalism is exactly what it should be called

it's what they're supposed to be doing, not fawning over their subjects and giving a pass to governmental or corporate corruption just because a particular company bought ad time on their networks and if the journalists press them for the truth, they'll pull their advertising from the network's air.

[Orsino]

8. Moore shouldn't HAVE to pull his stunts...

...when a dedicated press corps could simply ask questions. We only need Moore because so-called "real" journalists won't do their damned jobs.

[truedelphi]

19. I think that traditionally "journalism" has always required that

You have the full set of facts or close to it, before you set out.


For instance, in the situation of the two reporters who set out to construct the story that ended up being Watergate (and the impeachment of Richard Nixon) they only brought forth small points one at a time, until a full story was flushed out.

In today's fast moving news room, this type of behavior would not been encouraged. The idea today is to have the big time story that sells the papers, and not spend space on something less significant. (or something that needs many months of nurturing before you have a fulls ttory of significance.)

[anotherdrew]

7. insurance companies should all be nationalized. one big risk pool for all

it was never meant to be the driving force, these deep pocketed bastards have made providing healthcare a royal pain in the ass, when they'll even pay

[Brigid]

17. I have more than once . . .

read interviews with Michael Moore in which he asks why someone like himself is doing what he does, while the MSM is so tame. I say keep it up, Mike! :patriot:

[Lisa]

9. if I added up all the self-serving ads run by insurance and pharma companies

... and HMOs, on TV and radio, I bet it would amount to a feature-length movie every week! Plenty of "insurance company perspective", over and over again. That's 90+ minutes of my time that I'm not getting back -- a double waste since I'm in Canada and have already made my choice about supporting public health care. It's funny to see right-wingers screaming about "socialists" and "commies" -- neither the Canadian nor UK systems are some kind of Stalinist prison scheme. Of course there are improvements that need to be made, but in the meantime everyone in my family, from my uncle the retired physician who needs weekly dialysis, to my recently-graduated cousin who is still looking for work, is covered.

[underpants]

12. Pharma includes the ad costs in R+D -Research and development

so when you hear someone say that 50% of a drug cost is R+D ask them if any of these costs are lumped in there

Advertising
Executive salary
research done at the tax payer funding National Institute of Health CDC FDA etc.


Answer: they all are. Yes they get to include some costs (govt. agencies) that they never paid as R+D

[superconnected]

10. I just hate the name - sicko. He could come up with a better title than that.

[daleo]

11. The insurance industry has the money to offer its own perspective

Which they do, whenever there is the slightest threat to their interests.

[MADem]

13. I have to say, given his success over the years with his many films, that to call his style a tactic

is a bit shortsighted.

It's more like a strategy--and it certainly seems to be working. This particular film has fans from left to center to right. It's a political boundary-crosser.

And the insurance companies? They can go ahead and make their own documentary if they want. Go on, ya putzes, roll out the barrels on it!!

Remember, the right pulled that same "Anti-MM" tactic with F-911...that worked a treat, not!

Gitmo is a US military base that we lease. We won't be giving it back any time soon. Castro refuses to cash our checks, but that doesn't change the fact that the lease was negotiated and a sovereign government agreed to it.

Everything you wanted to know about Gitmo/Cuba: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/guantanamo-bay.htm

In December 1903, the United States leased the 45 square miles of land and water for use as a coaling station. A treaty reaffirmed the lease in 1934 granting Cuba and her trading partners free access through the bay, payment of $2,000 in gold per year, equating to $4,085 today, and a requirement that both the U.S. and Cuba must mutually consent to terminate the lease.

Diplomatic relations with Cuba were cut in 1961 by President Dwight Eisenhower. At this time, many Cubans sought refuge on the base. U.S. Marines and Cuban militiamen began patrolling opposite sides of the base's 17.4 mile fenceline. Today, U.S. Marines and Cuba's "Frontier Brigade" still man fenceline posts 24 hours a day.... The base is divided into two distinct areas by the 2 1/2 mile-wide Guantanamo Bay. The airfield is located on the Leeward side and the main base is on the Windward side. Ferry service provides transportation across the bay. The primary mission of Guantanamo Bay is to serve as a strategic logistics base for the Navy’s Atlantic Fleet and to support counter drug operations in the Caribbean. ... After 52 years of service, Guantanamo's Fleet Training Group relocated to Mayport, Florida, in July 1995. One month later, the naval base lost another major tenant command when the base's Shore Intermediate Maintenance Activity disestablished after 92 years of service.

On 13 June 2003 Brown & Root Services, a division of Kellogg Brown & Root, Arlington, Va., was awarded a $12,495,601 modification to Task Order 0038 at under a cost-reimbursement, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity construction contract for various facilities, Radio Range, U.S. Naval Base, Guantanamo Bay. The work to be performed includes new facilities for traffic control checkpoints (main and secondary checkpoints), troop bed-down facility, troop dining facility and destructive weather improvements to detention facility structures. The project will also include site work, heating, ventilation and air-conditioning, plumbing and electrical work, as required for the various facilities. Work will be performed at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and is expected to be completed by June 2004. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The basic contract was competitively procured with 44 proposals solicited, three offers received and award made on June 29, 2000. The total contract amount is not to exceed $300,000,000, which includes the base period and four option years. The Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Atlantic Division, Norfolk, Va., is the contracting activity (N62470-00-D-0005).

The Naval Base includes, as separate commands, a Naval Hospital and Branch Dental Clinic, detachments of the Personnel Support Activity, Naval Atlantic Meteorologic and Oceanographic Command, Naval Media Center, Naval Communications Station, Department of Defense Dependent Schools and a Navy Brig. Directly supporting the base as departments of Naval Station are Naval Criminal Investigative Service, Resident Officer in Charge of Construction, Human Resources Office, Family Support and Service Center, Red Cross, Security and Navy Exchange/Commissary.

[Spazito]

14. Hmmm, it is interesting that no one questions the descriptor

"investigative journalism" on investigative shows like 60 Minutes, Fifth Estate (Canadian), etc, when they use hidden cameras and hidden mikes to show used car sales scams, vehicle repair shop scams to name just a few yet when it comes to Michael Moore's investigative techniques the same investigative tools are called " guerilla journalism tactics". No bias by the MSM here, eh, lol.

[Hissyspit]

15. k&r

[Brigid]

16. Moore is making a point,

using perfectly legitimate tactics. If he wasn't striking a nerve, the right wouldn't be so worked up about him. As for me, I don't always agree with him, but I've been a huge fan since "Roger and Me." Looking forward to seeing "Sicko."

[hollowdweller]

20. I love Michael Moore

He's great. He unrepentantly gives the right wing total shit and rubs their faces in the cowpie in the most funny way.

[Megahurtz]

21. Yeah, SOMEBODY'S Gotta Do It! n/t