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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:03 AM
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Report: About half of Georgia teens graduate
Source: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Report: About half of Georgia teens graduate

By CHRIS REINOLDS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 06/13/07

Just over half of Georgia high school students get a diploma, according to a national report released Tuesday.

Diplomas Count, the second annual report from Education Week and the Editorial Projects in Education Research Center, provides detailed data on graduation rates. The report calculates Georgia's 2004 rate at 56.1 percent, which continues to be below the national average of 69.9 percent.

The report listed South Carolina as having the lowest graduation rate, at just under 54 percent. Georgia, Alabama, Delaware, Florida and Mississippi also ranked among the lowest 10.

Read more: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/06/12/0613metgrad.html



What century is this :cry:

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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:06 AM
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1. Well, that explains Saxby Chambliss
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:20 AM
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2. Sad
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:19 AM
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3. Well, I am proud to say that my grandson
just graduated from high school here in North Georgia.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:14 PM
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30. Congratulations!
:party::thumbsup:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:24 AM
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4. Funny that
After the 2006 election, the AJC ran a front-page piece on how Georgia was one of the very few states to still trend Repuke.

Georgians were quoted saying "we don't care if we are not like the rest of AmurikA. They shud be mor like us!"

Sure we should! We should all be just like you, Georgia! ignorant and uneducated! We should ALL be just like you....


Pathetic, really. But the high schools do have great football programs and who cares if the blacks graduate? They've got most of them in prison by now anyway....don't they?

BUILD MORE PRISONS!!!!!!!!!!!


(not intended to denigrate any of the awesome DUers in Georgia)
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:39 AM
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5. No offense taken!
Those of us in this state that are truly aware know where our deficiencies are! It is trying to get the rest of the state to come into the new century with us and help move this state forward.

The repukes can't see the issues with education, all the care about is someone may have read a Harry Potter book in class, and has learned how to commune with the devil...Sometimes I wonder why I get out of bed!

Oh and I graduated from High School in Alabama, so take your best shot! :evilgrin:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:45 AM
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9. Hey, I'm just one state away in Tennessee


and we aren't much better.

The South may never wake up, but there are a lot of good folks here, too.

We can keep hoping for change, anyway!


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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:00 PM
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14. I have long said that the way Georgians vote is intricately tied to their education level
This should explain why this is a super red state.

As someone above said, well that explains Saxby Chambliss (SackofShit Shameless)
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:36 PM
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17. Utah, probably more conservative than Georgia, has the highest graduation rate in the country.
Go figure.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view2/1,4382,665193200,00.html?textfield=

Not saying I don't see your point, but don't quickly stereotype.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:40 AM
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:06 AM
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8. I live in GA, and I (mostly) agree.
Edited on Wed Jun-13-07 07:14 AM by bunkerbuster1
It is full of ignorant rednecks, which is to say, it has entirely too many (and more than in the North, which also has its share, only fewer), but by "full" of course you can't mean 100%, or even a majority.

It's just enough to bond with the wealthier folks who have been manipulating the stupid in the South for its entire existence as part of these United States. These are kin to the same people who were foolish enough to fight and die for the "haves" to expand their slavery empire into the Western Territories.

Today the South is all about a white barely-middle class continuing to work with these robber barons, trying desperately to keep blacks, Hispanics and poorer whites disenfranchised, living from one election cycle to the next on utterly borrowed time. It's not pretty, it's doomed to failure (too many immigrants, too many transplants, to sustain this stupidity forever), but it's life around here for now.

Religion is a key component, but it's only part of the picture. It's mostly economic fear--the God-talk is the icing on the cake and/or the fallback when the core here is an old, feudal system that in some ways hasn't grown up and walked by itself into the 20th century, let alone the 21st.

But then there are those of us working to change it, and we will succeed.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 12:20 PM
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13. Has little to do with the South
New York is a blue northern state. Lots of people think that. I mean, the state is blue, right? Not outside of New York City. The rural areas of pretty much every state tend to be aligned with Republicans or right leaning independents. The difference is that many southern states don't have cities like NYC where a large percentage of the population is in an urban area.

I remember when being a redneck just ment you were usually a farm-boy from a rural area and wasn't used as a derogatory word by most. I miss those days.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 06:44 AM
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7. Well, this is a daunting prospect.
I live in Georgia and am enrolled at my local major university to obtain my teaching credentials. Of course - I cannot get the fate of Socrates out of my head since I'm such an easy target for being a corrupter of youth. :evilgrin:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 08:24 AM
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10. Isn't that up a bunch?
By the way Georgian Politicians represent the state I find that stat to be almost bragging....
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 09:04 AM
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11. well according to this line--no.
The report's 56.1 percent rate for Georgia is lower than the 65.4 percent that Georgia education officials reported in 2004.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 03:10 PM
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19. ~10% drop in three years? Ow! (nt)
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:07 PM
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21. No.
A bunch of states have seen their graduation rates plummet because they were forced to use honest accounting.

No more counting GEDs as high school graduations, no more ignoring students who dropped out early, no more dropping students that are ESL learnings from the stats. In some places they only counted students that stayed in the same high school; apparently a greater number of students that transfer drop out.

They're being forced increasingly to look at the number of students entering 9th grade and comparing it with the number of students that graduate after 4 years, no adjustments, no fixes, no fudges.

As for bad ... nationwide it's a 69.9% graduation rate.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:37 PM
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25. Thanks for pointing that out.

:hippie:
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:08 PM
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29. Ahhhh, thanks. Nice catch. (nt)
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:57 AM
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12. Why am I not shocked at the States listed in this story? n/t
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:07 PM
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16. because everyone knows...
that Delaware is a bastion of filth and impropriety
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:06 PM
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20. ???
Can you explain what you're talking about?
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:59 PM
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27. Based on all I've seen
many in the South aren't exactly huge supporters of everyone getting a good education and getting ahead.
Before you go off on me, I said many, not all or most.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:34 PM
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24. Because you don't understand the correlation between poverty and

high school drop-out rates?

Read my post below in which I detail many reasons why poverty causes kids to drop out, and the fact that many students in Georgia complete all the course requirements but are denied a diploma because they can't pass the state tests.

Now that "No Child Left Behind" is in effect, I hope other states are required to use tests as difficult as the ones Georgia uses.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:56 PM
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26. I grew up on the Westside of Chicago, DemBones.
I know everything about the correlation between poverty and drop out rates.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:45 PM
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34. Did you read my post below? Poverty causes different things in different areas.

I lived in Waukegan and I know Chicago is a lot different from rural Georgia. Atlanta is different from rural Georgia, too, though there are many poor living in Atlanta and its suburbs.

I doubt, for example, that kids in Chicago drop out to go into their father's business of pulpwooding or chicken farming.

Are kids in Chicago denied diplomas unless they pass a series of difficult tests? Kids in Georgia are.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:38 AM
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38. Yes, I read your post.
I know all about working full time at the age of 16, and still making it through HS.
I grew up poor. Millions do.
It's my opinion that the South is notorious for "The Establishment" keeping the poor down, regardless of race. I never said I disagreed with you.
I don't know much about Waukegan, but where I was from, kids drop out to live the "thug life", with dreams of being drug dealers and pimps, which is often their father's business as well.
Not too many chicken farms in Lawndale or Englewood (two VERY impoverished areas of Chicago).

BTW--what is pulpwooding?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:05 PM
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15. Well, while more Texas students may graduate I'm not sure they're learning much more
I was told yesterday by a college algebra professor that only 42% of Texas students pass college algebra. It's sad how undereducated our youth are.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 02:05 PM
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18. I guess the "Creation Museum" information isn't on the graduation comprehensive exams...
What should anyone expect from a state that continues to be one of the backwaters of "intelligent design" Dark Ages bullsh*t thinking.

J
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:28 PM
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23. Isn't the Creation Museum in Cincinnati? In OHIO?

:eyes:
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 07:17 PM
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35. Yes, but plenty of church tour buses are travelling from GA. Thought is was KY.
J
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 04:26 PM
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22. There are several reasons for Georgia's high drop-out rate.

Poverty is a serious problem in Georgia and is the primary reason that kids don't finish high school.


Many male high school students work full-time second or third shift jobs to help support their family, sometimes being the sole support of the family. Try to imagine doing that when you were 16, 17, 18. Try to imagine working third shift and going right from work to school. Even working second shift and having a chance to sleep before school is rough. It's no mystery that a lot of those kids drop out before graduation. Some girls go the same route, even to working in the mills.


Other poor kids drop out because of the humiliation of having nothing but secondhand clothes, home haircuts, no dental care, when other kids in their schools have nice clothes, good haircuts, and their biggest problem is wearing braces. Remember being an adolescent? If so, you should understand why these kids drop out.


Some poor kids drop out because they're going to work in their dad's business and they don't need a high school diploma to be an auto mechanic, pulpwooder, chicken farmer. Or a girl who's studied cosmetology for two or three years in high school and has a mother or aunt who owns a beauty shop, may go to work in the beauty shop while getting the rest of the training she needs for a state license. These drop-outs may have more job security than most college graduates.


Many students don't drop out, earn all the credits required for graduation, but are denied a diploma because they can't pass tests the state requires for graduation. Those who fail the tests are predominantly poor. A large percentage of black students fail the tests. The "No Child Left Behind" mentality of "accountability" hit Georgia decades before Bush.


Kids who grow up in homes where there are books and the adults are oberved reading books as well as reading to their children have a huge advantage over kids who grew up without books, who are usually from poor families. Children who grow up in families and neighborhoods in which everyone uses improper grammar ("he don't," "me and her," "ain't," etc.) are almost learning English as a second language in school. "Head Start" doesn't seem to have helped as much as was expected. One reason may be learning styles.

Most teachers are visual learners and visual learners usually do well enough in school, sometimes very well. Other children are auditory learners and must hear things to learn them, still others are kinesthetic learners who learn best if they can use their hands, would do well working with Montessori materials to learn writing, reading, and arithmetic.

(At one time, Montessori education was very popular and public schools might be using the best of it today if it hadn't been discovered that Maria Montessori's adopted son was actually her illegitimate son. At the time, the US was too prudish to deal with that, just as they were too prudish to deal with Ingrid Bergman's lover affair and out-of-wedlock pregnancy decades later. I'm not sure we're really past this yet. If Maria Montessori were just introducing her educational methods, which she developed working with children in the slums of Rome, today, I wonder if her illegitimate son's existence would again make Americans reject the positive innovations she made.)


But let's not focus all our attention on Georgia or other states with low graduation rates.


The biggest problem in education in the United States is that students are allowed to move on to 2nd grade when they haven't mastered the material taught in 1st grade. That goes on throughout the grades and the result is kids graduating without knowing much, sometimes barely able to read and write, do simple arithmetic. Anyone who has taught high school or college has seen this. I've had high school valedictorians in college classes who had not learned what they should have in high school.

We don't help kids by passing them when they don't know what they're supposed to know. Of course, failing is a blow to self-esteem, that's why we have largely quit failing kids. We've dumbed down high school and college, dumbed down the SATs.


If we could restructure schools so that kids were taught according to what they know in each subject, we could change this. I'm talking about accepting the reality that most kids perform at different grade levels; a child might be in 3rd grade but read at a 6th grade level, do arithmetic at a 1st grade level, know what a 3rd grader should know in terms of science and social studies -- or perhaps be ahead of other 3rd graders because s/he has used his/her higher reading level to read a lot about science or social studies.

Why shouldn't this third grader be in reading class with 6th graders and others who read at that level, but in a 1st grade class for arithmetic? In the first grade class, the teacher would know what the third grader does "get" about arithmetic and ask him/her to help the younger children. Kids who have failed a class usually if not always understood parts of the material so they can help kids going through that material the first time, which helps their self-esteem. Children also need opportunities in art, music, drama, sports and games. All of us have strengths and weaknesses and the more a child realizes his/her strengths, the more courage s/he has to take on his weaknesses.

Schools also need to do more to address different learning styles. But schools and teachers can't do it alone.


Parents have to be willing to have their 3rd grader take 1st grade arithmetic and not see this "failure" as a reflection on their parenting. A lot of parents fight having their child held back a grade, which generally ensures more failure for the poor kid.


We might also consider testing kids before they enter first grade to see if they are ready. Some 4 year-olds could handle first grade work, some 8 year-olds aren't ready yet.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:03 PM
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28. That is nothing - 6% of Chicago Public School kids graduate from college
If you are a black or latino male 3% of the kids graduate from college.

The Chicago Public Schools are awful, a crime really. The teachers are dumb and the administrators corrupt.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:18 PM
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31. While I'm sure that rate truly is low, is it really only 6%? n/t
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:25 PM
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32. I'm wrong - it was revised up to 8%
CPS college grad rate revised
Chicago Sun-Times, Oct 12, 2006 by Maudlyne Ihejirika


A controversial April study exposing dismal college graduation rates for Chicago Public Schools students -- only 6.5 percent were earning four-year college degrees by their mid-20s -- had errors, its think tank author said Wednesday.

That figure is actually 8 percent, the University of Chicago's Consortium on Chicago School Research says in a revision issued this month in the wake of two universities' challenges of reported graduation rates for their CPS alumni.

DUNCAN DEFENDS DALEY

"This is a step in the right direction, but obviously the numbers aren't good enough," said Schools CEO Arne Duncan. "But people should understand this data is not current. The mayor didn't take over the system until 1995."

The earlier report, titled "From High School to the Future," stirred alarm among school watchdog groups and put CPS officials on the defensive with even more alarming data for black and Latino males -- only about 3 percent were earning degrees from four-year colleges within six years. For Latinos, that figure rose to 4 percent in the revision.


Still, 8% is dismal. They have some magnet schools that are truly good. The rest are pre-prison waiting rooms, just like the CPS administration likes it.


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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:25 AM
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37. That's pretty bad.
How many have dropped out in order to "cash in" on the drug trade, and the "Thug Life" in general?
I can think of a few that I've known personally.
These gangbangers-turned-rap video stars certainly don't help out in terms of being "role models".
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:44 PM
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33. This is a crying shame!!!
WTH are those people in GA doing??? :grr:

Better yet, what aren't they doing? :shrug:

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:47 AM
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36. Less than one fourth of Detroit students graduate from high school.

This is from the same source used for the AJC article, Editorial Projects in Education Research Center, link below.


Major Urban Districts Graduating Less than Half Their Students

Detroit 24.9

Cleveland 34.1

Baltimore 34.6

Dallas 44.4

New York 45.2

Los Angeles 45.3

Milwaukee 46.1

Denver 46.3

Miami-
Dade County 49.0

Philadelphia 49.6

Read more: http://www2.edweek.org/rc /

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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:59 AM
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39. Useful summary of the report here
http://www.edweek.org/media/ew/dc/2007/40gradprofiles.pdf

Alabama, Georgia, D.C., South Carolina and Nevada all have rates below 60%

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:18 AM
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40. Messiah and Regent students have to come from somewhere. n/t
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