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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:45 AM
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Colgate finds fake toothpaste in 4 states
Source: CNNMoney

Colgate finds fake toothpaste in 4 states

Company says counterfeit products may contain poisonous chemical;
fake products can be identified by misspellings on label.

June 14 2007

LONDON (CNNMoney.com) --
Fake "Colgate" toothpaste that may contain a poisonous chemical has been found in four states, Colgate-Palmolive said Thursday.

Colgate said the fake toothpaste may contain diethylene glycol, which the company never uses in its toothpaste. The company said it is working with the FDA to locate the source of the counterfeiting.

The fake toothpaste has been found in discount stores in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland, the company said.

The fake products aren't manufactured or distributed by Colgate-Palmolive (Charts, Fortune 500) and can be identified because they say they are manufactured in South Africa or have misspellings on the label.



Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/14/news/companies/colgate_poison/index.htm
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:52 AM
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1. My God!
Is that why they won't allow toothpaste on airplanes? Somebody actually knew something?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:57 AM
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2. There's not much you can do with the stuff
although it is poisonous in enough quantity. It's been used as an adulterant in all sorts of things--there was a huge scandal in Europe when table wines were found to contain it as something to cut the nasty acidity of poor quality wine.

It's antifreeze, folks, and tastes sweet. I doubt there was enough in toothpaste to cause much harm unless it was in children who ate toothpaste as a treat. And some do.

I think it's pretty obvious where the counterfeiting occurred--China, eastern Europe, India, in that order.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:54 AM
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68. Posting this here so it doesn't get lost at the bottom. More information.
Read Your Toothpaste Carefully
Andrew Farrell, 06.15.07, 1:38 AM ET

Next time you brush your teeth, check for spelling errors on your toothpaste. It could save your life.

Colgate-Palmolive warned Thursday that counterfeit Colgate toothpaste containing a deadly chemical is being sold at dollar stores in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland. The knockoffs contain diethylene glycol, an ingredient in antifreeze.

Counterfeiters frequently use the sweet-tasting chemical as a substitute for safe, but more expensive, chemical syrups. Diethylene glycol has been found in toothpaste, cough syrup and other consumable medications recently.

So how can one tell if the tube in the medicine cabinet is poison? Check the spelling. The fakes have a number of errors including "isclinically," "SOUTH AFRLCA" and "South African Dental Assoxiation."

Also check the country of origin. The spurious Colgates list South Africa, but Colgate doesn't import any toothpaste from there.

Dozens died in Panama last year after consuming cough syrup tainted with diethylene glycol. More recently, diethylene glycol-tainted toothpaste manufactured in China was pulled from shelves in Panama, the Dominican Republic and Australia.

Shares of Colgate dropped 61 cents, or 0.9%, to $66.85 on Thursday. The consumer products company is the market leader in U.S. toothpaste sales. According to Colgate, it accounted for 37.3% of U.S. toothpaste sales last year.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/14/colgate-toothpaste-fake-face-cx_af_0614autofacescan03_print.html
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Kindigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:03 AM
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3. I'm an avid label reader
Several times I've wondered WTF kind of company can't hire a decent proofreader, or use a spell checker. Doh!
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:05 AM
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5. One trying to evade import controls and FDA alerts.
This toothpaste killed a bunch of kids in Panama. I remember reading of one Chinese executive saying along the lines of, well, that's why you shouldn't eat your toothpaste, dumbasses. Real heroic, huh?
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:52 PM
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44. Kolgate tuethpaste
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:04 AM
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4. Further in the article it notes that Colgate
Was affected by the pet food scandal - had to recall two products.

Maybe this will start serving as a wake up call to corporate America that outsourcing EVERYTHING to the third world, where standards are minimal, is NOT a good long-term solution.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:07 AM
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7. ...I feel compelled to remind, the toothpaste in this case is counterfeit.
Colgate didn't make the stuff that's been killing people in Panama and that caused the FDA ban that the counterfeiting was obviously designed to thwart.
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:38 AM
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8. Which is why I noted the PET FOOD portion.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:06 AM
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6. I was looking at my tube of Crest
when they first started warning about imported toothpaste. It had a "distributed by" credit, but no information as to where the stuff was actually made or put in the tube. Made me wonder what they were hiding. Now we know. Baking soda, anyone?
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 11:47 AM
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9. Try Tom's of Maine brand. nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:23 PM
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21. Tom's of Maine was purchased by Colgate...
Colgate Purchasing Tom’s of Maine

Enters Fast-Growing Natural Products Segment

(March 21, 2006 - New York, New York)—Colgate-Palmolive Company (NYSE:CL), as part of its strategy to focus on its higher-margin oral and personal care businesses, today announced that it has agreed to purchase Tom’s of Maine, the leader in the fast-growing Naturals market in the United States.

The U.S. market for Natural oral and personal care products is valued at $3 billion and is growing at 15 percent per year. Tom’s of Maine, founded in 1970 by Tom and Kate Chappell, pioneered natural toothpaste, mouthwash, and deodorant, and is the #1 Oral Care Brand in the Natural category. Tom’s of Maine gives Colgate the opportunity to enter the fast growing health and specialty trade channel where Tom’s toothpaste is the clear market leader commanding 60% share of that channel.

Reuben Mark, Colgate’s Chairman and CEO said, “We have great admiration for Tom and Kate Chappell and the values-based business they have created. The combination of Colgate, the global leader in Oral care, and Tom’s of Maine, the leader in the Naturals category, is an exciting partnership with growth opportunities for both companies. And we’re especially pleased that Tom Chappell will remain on to lead the company, which will continue to be based in Kennebunk, Maine.

Ian Cook, Colgate’s President and COO, said, “This acquisition allows Colgate to strongly enter a completely new channel of distribution and establishes us as the only global oral care company in that channel. This bodes well for additional opportunities in other high margin categories such as personal care. Further, our truly global reach will help speed the growth of the naturals health and specialty business outside the US. With gross profit margins a full ten percentage points higher than Colgate’s margin, Tom’s of Maine is a logical acquisition as we continue to prioritize our global oral and personal care categories.”

--more--
Tome's of Maine

My family and I have been buying Tom's for years. We weren't too pleased to find out it is now owned by Colgate. We still buy it but we watch the label closely for any changes...
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. why are all the good companies selling out-oh yeah, money....... :( I use Tom's :( nt
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Bloody hell. Someone tell that to Whole Foods. nt
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. OH NO!
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 04:10 PM by Cookie wookie
I thought it was still Tom's of Maine.....met him at a university event on business ethics....

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawaaaaaaaa.

:(
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #21
70. let us know if anything's changed---Tom's is my brand, too.
I hate to think it's now a Colgate brand :cry:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 08:31 AM
Response to Reply #70
72. I hoping Colgate doesn't fool around with the product...
...but if I detect anything I'll let you know!

:thumbsup:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. My Colgate "Luminous" says "Made in USA" on it.
But I'm sure that a counterfeiter wouldn't hesitate to put those words on a fake box and fake tube of toothpaste if it meant making a bundle of money.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:51 PM
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33. Ha. My Colgate says "Made in Mexico." nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:31 AM
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65. I just took a new tube of Colgates back to Target because it was Made in Mexico!
When I told the sales clerk I wanted to return it because I only buy made in America she said: "Oh, I thought it was only toothpaste from China that people were concerned about." So, the word is getting around and it made me wonder if Target had pulled some Made in China toothpaste off their shelves.

If it's "Made in Mexico" then who knows if the ingredients didn't come "through the backdoor" from China.

I took it back...and I'm reading every label now, although "distributed by" often passes for "main in" or "made by." If we keep returning suspicious products maybe the businesses will start to wake up and get their lobbyists to put some tariffs on Chinese products so we can start making things here at home and providing jobs for our people.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:47 AM
Response to Reply #13
64. And a dead giveaway if it's noticed on the docks.
It's an unnecessary added risk.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #6
25. Apple juice
On the label it proudly states "USA" distributed and processed. But the concentrate in faded ink on the bottle itself is proclaimed less boldly from China. maybe we have an apple shortage in upstate NY that I had been unaware of. Maybe we ship our concentrate to China because they need a break from poisoning their own people. Alarmingly nuts. The same store advertises "California Grapes" on sale, and of course they are from Mexico. Does that mean underpaid Mexican grape pickers are competing against their brethren who swam the Rio Grande to pick grapes in California? Nuttier and nuttier.

And the fruit from Peru, what are they spraying on theirs to make the long hard journey to upstate NY and still be called fresh? As for any packaged, processed product whatsoever it makes fatalism America's most necessary religion.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:31 PM
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37. Apple juice concentrate is now from China.
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 04:32 PM by snagglepuss
CBC news several days reported that Canadian famers want lablling changed because apple juice can be labelled as "Product of Canada" but not contain any Canadian apples. All that's required is to have Canadian manufacturers add water and bottle or can the product.

Following article explains why this is happening, namely CHinese are dumping apple concentrate world wide at rock bottom prices.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/appl08.shtml
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #37
49. Never would a boycott be simpler
than showing the public that the product, clearly labeled we hope, is from China. It is absurd that the dumping, the costly shipping, the fallout from product "quality" scandals with even a little Red baiting thrown in would ever succeed to this extent. That it first drives local growers to impotent bankruptcy shows the problem is even larger than this single marketing venture.

All I would have to do to leave those bottles rotting on the shelves.....Well that reminds when they were handing out free soft drink samples in that same store. I noted that each flavor had caffeine, even the gingerale, then walked away...along with suddenly other turned off customers. For some reason the entire product line came out minus the caffeine, except the cola of course. It can be that easy on the small and in this case that easy on the large scale. It would be a pushover compared to most agricultural set tos.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #49
61. True but corporations aren't going to label their foods as coming from
China without a fight. It is completely in their interst to keep consumers in the dark.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #37
50. As can the "organic" peanut butter that is made in Canada from Chinese peanuts...
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 06:47 PM by candice
destroying our American peanut farms. Product of Canada, now really!!!

With peanuts, one is concerned about aflatoxins. Why do I not have confidence in peanuts harvested in China and shipped to Canada, even if stamped "organic"?

http://ehso.com/ehshome/aflatoxin.php

Aflatoxin is a potent human carcinogen. It is a naturally occurring toxic metabolite produced by certain fungi (Aspergillus flavis), a mold found on food products such as corn and peanuts, peanut butter. It acts as a potent liver carcinogen in rodents (and, presumably, humans). They are probably the best known and most intensively researched mycotoxins in the world. Aflatoxins have been associated with various diseases , such as aflatoxicosis , in livestock , domestic animals and humans throughout the world .

The occurrence of aflatoxins is influenced by the weather, (temperature, and humidity - warm & wet is worst!); so the extent of contamination will vary with geographic location , agricultural and agronomic practices, and the susceptibility of the peanuts (etc.) to fungus before they are harvested, and during storage, and/or processing periods .



Chocolate recall - is nothing sacred?
June 7, 2007 at 1:36 pm ·

Now it seems we may have to watch the chocolate…chocolate from China, that is!

Tristar Food Recalls Ferrari Chocolate Due to Undeclared Peanuts and Aflatoxins
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #50
57. Perhaps the dog food scandal has a silver lining, namely shining
light on the amount and type of food and medicine coming in from China. I did not have a clue that food could be imported from China but not have to identifid as such. Gimme a break that peanuts are grown organically in China. Let's see the certification they have in place.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:18 PM
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60. "So far, China has developed a list of 250-300 types of organic products"
http://www.foodsolutionschina.com/pastissue/article.asp?art=25911&issue=151

By learning about organic food related policies, regulations and experience in management from the EU, US, Canada, Japan and some other developed countries, the OFDC has successfully incorporated western experience into the development of organic food in China.

Types of organic products and their distribution
So far, China has developed a list of 250-300 types of organic products produced in different corners of the country:

Vegetables – Shandondg, Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, Fujian, Zhejiang, Hebei, Inner Mongolia, Heilongjiang, Guangdong, Jiangxi, Yunnan

Tea: green, black, Wulong, Puer – Zhejiang, Fujian, Jiangxi, Jiangsu, Sichuan, Hunan, Hubei, Yunnan
Staple grains: rice, wheat, corn, barley – Heilongjiang, Jilin, Liaoning, Jiangsu
Coarse cereals: buckwheat, oat, highland barley, mung bean, kidney bean, red bean – Heilongjiang, Inner Mongolia, Liaoning, Jiling, Guizhou, Hebei
Oil crops: soybean, peanut, pumpkin seed, sunflower seed, flax seed, evening primrose seed, oil tea seed – Heilongjiang, Jilin, Inner Mongolia, Liaoning

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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #60
66. Yeah, right. Like we're supposed to believe an "organic" label coming out of China.
Jeebus H. Christ.

Didja all know the Chinese are still using freakin' DDT?!?!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #50
69. Yum peanut butter is made from American peanuts.
The Yum peanut butter is made in Montreal from peanuts grown in Georgia or New Mexico.

Yum almond butter is made in Montreal from almonds grown in California.

The cashews in their cashew butter come from Brazil, and the sesame in tahini comes from Mexico.



There is nothing in the peanut butter but ground peanuts.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #6
67. Try Jason toothpaste
I started using it awhile back and really prefer it to the big brands. Used a travel tube of Crest the other day and hated the saccharin I could taste in that.
Made in USA (says California on mine), available with or without fluoride, part of a natural foods group.
It costs more, but if you shop around at Amazon and such, you may find it at an ok price.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:00 PM
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10. Fake goods pose growing concern
Thu, Jun. 14, 2007
Fake goods pose growing concern
VICKI LEE PARKER
The (Raleigh) News & Observer

RALEIGH --
Counterfeit toothpaste, brake pads, batteries, extension cords and diabetes tests are among the increasing number of phony products on the market today, federal and state officials warned Wednesday.

The bulk of fake products can be found at flea markets, dollar stores and the Internet. But more are finding their way into mainstream retail stores and pharmacies, said Rob Calia, the senior manager of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's global anti-counterfeiting and piracy initiatives.

A big fear is that fake products made overseas fail U.S. safety and health standards -- and pose risks for consumers. They might not be sterile, for example. In addition, the chamber estimates that counterfeiting costs the U.S. economy more than $250 billion a year, about four times what it did a decade ago. It has resulted in the loss of 750,000 jobs, Calia said.

About 80 percent of the products come from Asia, which typically has looser labor laws and safety regulations, he said.

<snip>

http://www.charlotte.com/business/breaking_news/story/159613.html

Also-- it's plain, old theft from consumers by the counterfeiters and their accomplices. If I plunk down $3.50 for a tube of toothpaste, I want the safe, well-made product that I think I am buying, not some skanky crap from a Chinese sweat-shop-- even assuming it's not poisoned.

The counterfeiters skim off--as pure profit-- the legitimate manufacturer's goodwill, and the cost of observing safe and sanitary manufacturing practices, the cost of safe and fair labor practices, and the cost of complying with environmental regulations, advertising costs, etc... by the legitimate manufacturer.

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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #10
51. China is taking over the world's car parts business...
brake pads made from corn husks? Some fake products, as Chinese have found in fake blood protein and fake baby formulas are deadly. So can cutting corners in car and airplane parts.

An enormous number of Chinese are the victims of bad food each year. Why do we have to import this problem? It is a shame that the average bite of food travels 1500 miles within the U.S.; we don't need to import food from abroad that is competing with our own industry.

Apricots from Turkey are cheap, but taste awful.

It is only during the few more years that we have access to oil to burn that this will continue, and by then the climate will have changed beyond repair.

I'm reading labels and buying food as close to home as I can. No ingredients from China would be a big selling point to me.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:02 PM
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11. Does anyone else think a fake toothpaste forum is a good idea?
There has to be a pattern.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #11
47. I'm all for it
:dunce:

And an emergency dentist hotline.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:07 PM
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12. If Americans quit buying the outsourced crap we wouldn't have these problems-nt
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. Maybe, but it's a chicken & egg thing. There isn't much of anything manufactured in this country
any more.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. while we import a lot, we export a lot too.
and we still manufacture tremendous amounts, but not the bulky shit like we used to.
The more service oriented stuff we do, the heavily manual labor stuff we have shipped out.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
53. Burger flipping instead of airplane parts?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #53
63. while we shipped off the wings,
the slats, the tails, and much of the fuselage is ours.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #20
71. if anything can be bought locally, it's food at farm markets. Go there and stop buying from 3000 mi
away or from overseas, Mexico, China or wherever you don't know about the pesticides and herbicides dumped on your food and soil it's grown in.
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #12
43. I agree
but it's so hard to do at this stage of the game. It makes me fed-up!
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:09 PM
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14. Colgate warns of fake toothpaste in U.S.
Source: Reuters

snip< Colgate-Palmolive Co. on Thursday said counterfeit "Colgate" toothpaste that may contain a toxic

"There are indications that this product does not contain fluoride and may contain diethylene glycol," the company said in a statement.

Colgate-Palmolive said it does not use, nor has ever used, diethylene glycol as an ingredient in its toothpaste anywhere in the world. The chemical, known as DEG and sometimes illegally used as an inexpensive sweetener and thickening agent, is commonly found in solvents and antifreeze.

The Colgate-Palmolive announcement comes less than two weeks after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned consumers to avoid any toothpaste made in China after inspectors found DEG in tubes sold at two stores.>snip


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070614/bs_nm/colgate_fake_dc



China implicated again. I hope someone is investigating these things NOW!
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. If they weren't investigating, this toothpaste would not have been found.
And counterfeiting labels to evade import controls to ship poisonous material into the US? Goodness yes they're investigating, and I hope that they get to the bottom of this and severe punishments end up being given out for this. Given the matter being prominently in the news I cannot see how this can be viewed as anything but deliberate and with forethought and criminal indifference to the consequences.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Colgate toothpaste found contaminated with antifreeze so of course
Colgate-Palmolive denies it is really their toothpaste - it must an impostor toothpaste. Yah, right.
:nopity:


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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. crap
colgate is the only brand i buy. :(
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. Easy there chief
Unless you know something others do not, the article clearly states there were misspellings on the container and it said it came from South Africa. So either everyone who has any involvement with this story is helping covering it up, or Colgate went out of its way to make sure the toothpaste was manufactured in SA and mislabeled in case they were discovered, or the story is mostly accurate and someone is actually counterfeiting goods...

Occam's razor suggests the latter.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. aYep. But what's the POINT of putting poison in the counterfeit?
That's the question for me.
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. I assumed it was a cheaper substitute for something.
Of course I'm just assuming on that.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:17 PM
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36. Many years ago Jonathan Winter described Shell Oil's gasoline as
"mostly water with little chunks of crap in it"...
;-)
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:09 PM
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17. Hmm.. So buying the cheapest ingredients from China and
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 11:56 AM by kokono
putting it in your name brand tooth product means the toothpaste is counterfeit? :shrug: Does Enron fit into
this story somehow?
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:24 PM
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31. No, but counterfeiting brand-name goods is a pretty common crime.
Policing the market for knock-offs is a big business in its own right.
Also, the substandard toothpaste is showing up in microscopic quantities
relative to Colgate.

Counterfeiting is a simple explanation that fits the facts at hand.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:09 PM
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19. USE ARM AND HAMMER BAKING SODA. TELL THE PIGS TO
TAKE THEIR OWN POISEN.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:04 PM
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29. without fluoride and without diethylene glycol it would be a great product n/t
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:48 PM
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42. without fluoride, it would be nothing more than mouthwash
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:57 PM
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26. how the HELL does one fake toothpaste?
You realize that this is a North Carolina invention, don't you?

Because everyplace else they would have called it teethpaste>

(Sorry, a good friend from Ashville told me that one, and I could not resist)
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:35 PM
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40. I'm gonna start calling it teethpaste from now on.
I like that.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:27 PM
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46. And it's accurate
Unless you're only going to brush one tooth. :dunce:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:13 PM
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58. Funny to me, because you left out the "e" in Asheville!
:sarcasm:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:15 PM
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30. Like American's will recognize misspelled words?
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 03:19 PM by Mabus
A lot of Americans don't spell very well. How can we expect them to know when there are misspellings on their toothpaste? How many Americans read their toothpaste labels? I don't like using commercial toothpaste. It's too sweet. I was using Tom's of Maine until a few months ago when I learned Colgate owned them. Now I use baking soda.

edited to add: I hope it's baking soda. :scared:



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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:53 PM
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34. WARNING: buy food & health/beauty products @ major outlets to avoid fakes
Major manufacturers and retailers work together at both national and regional levels to help control quality, ensure quantity and gain competitive advantages. This is true for mass marketers like WalMart as well as grocery and drugstore chains.

Hinky little dollar stores and other small-time discounters often buy caselots from resellers who get their stuff from who knows where. Not always, not every product, but often enough to make me wary of buying anything at those kinds of stores that is meant for human consumption.

Last year there were similar reports of counterfeit shampoos and other products in the Chicago area. All involved discount stores.




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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:41 PM
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38. Companies are not required to know where their ingredients come from.
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 04:44 PM by snagglepuss
Companies claim they can't track ingredients because companies buy stock from international trading companies. In response to the lax health safety standards in China, a French grocery chain has its own inspectors in China who require that all products they purchased have stringent tracking requirements and Chinese producers who do business with the chain must be certified and satisfy French standards. So unless N.A. companies importing food and medicine from China do the same buying brand names at major chains doesn't assure safety.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:32 PM
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39. The poison has been found in ***counterfeit*** products
They are not produced under the aegis of the companies holding rightful ownership. You're referring to another area of concern, but it is not the same thing.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:47 PM
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41. Its not the same thing it is worse because people like yourself
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 05:59 PM by snagglepuss
assume that brand name products that aren't fake are safe. But the dog food scare has proven that legit producers can't guarantee food safety because they don't have any control at the source.
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:32 PM
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48. Where did she say that all brand named goods are safe?
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 06:32 PM by SayWhatYo
She was just pointing out that in this case it was not Colgate who did it. She even said that it's another area of concern...
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:10 PM
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54. "People like myself"?
Ah, right. People who are capable of not confusing one problem with another. It's a pity there aren't more like me.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:17 PM
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59. I don't know why you are taking such offense when none is intended.
Many people put alot of trust in brand name products and the corporations that produce them. It seems to me that that faith is misplaced.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:23 PM
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62. It's not Colgates' fault, but having the vitamin/supplement industry decamp
to China where the quality of ingredients and manufacturing cannot be guaranteed, either by Chinese officials or the FDA is a breach of faith as far as I am concerned. Colgage is just a brand to copy...whoever is importing the products to the discount store should have been paying attention, unless they are just overwhelmed with imported Chinese pharmaceuticals.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:11 PM
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55. Do they inspect for hygiene and uncontaminated soils?
Lead in soil is a big issue in China. The toilet is a new invention. I almost wretched when I visited a medical center in South China. Feces were smeared in the women's bathroom. I hoped that no one who was involved in cutting or being cut in that hospital had to use a bathroom similar to the one for tourists/visitors.
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:12 PM
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56. Then Menu Foods is off the hook!
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:59 PM
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45. Toothpaste







:hi:
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:07 PM
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52. All of my mugs in recent years have been made in China...
...which I didn't notice until the recent lead in everything scares...now I read that for the past year or so the FDA has been trying to list Chinese factories that don't use lead in their glazes.

A personal lead detection test (similar to the one a grandmother used that discovered the lead in bibs made in China that Wal-Mart sells) can't guarantee that their isn't lead, but tells you if there is a dangerous amount of lead.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 10:59 AM
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73. First Colgate called the toothpaste fake - now it isn't that harmful???
Doesn't this seem a bit strange, first Colgate denies it is their toothpaste but now on second thought it's low risk?

    Colgate says fake toothpaste a low health risk
    By Aarthi Sivaraman
    Fri Jun 15, 5:23 PM ET



    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Colgate-Palmolive Co. said on Friday counterfeit toothpaste that may contain a toxic chemical posed a low health risk, and it was picking up suspected fakes labeled "Colgate" brand from discount stores in four U.S. states.

    "It's a low health risk but the bottom line is, it doesn't belong in toothpaste," said Doug Arbesfeld, a spokesman for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

    After analyzing some counterfeit samples, Colgate said it agreed with Arbesfeld's statement.

    Two residents of the New York City borough of Staten Island who said they had used the counterfeit toothpaste were hospitalized, the Staten Island Advance newspaper reported.

    The FDA traced the counterfeit toothpaste to New Jersey distributor MS USA Trading Inc., Arbesfeld said.

    On Thursday, Colgate reported finding phony "Colgate" toothpaste in discount stores in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland.
    ...



    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070615/hl_nm/colgate_toothpaste_dc




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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:26 PM
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74. Kicking this post
It's too important to drop out of the radar. :mad:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:54 AM
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75. ttt
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