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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:42 PM
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Gen. Pace: I Refused To Quit Iraq Post
Source: CBS

(CBS) WASHINGTON In his first public comments on the Bush administration's surprise decision to replace him as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Gen. Peter Pace disclosed that he had turned down an offer to voluntarily retire rather than be forced out.

To quit in wartime, he said, would be letting down the troops.

Pace, responding to a question from the audience after he spoke at the Joint Forces Staff College in Norfolk, Va., on Thursday evening, said he first heard that his expected nomination for a second two-year term was in jeopardy in mid-May.

"One thing that was discussed was whether or not I should just voluntarily retire and take the issue off the table," Pace said,
according to a transcript released Friday by his office at the Pentagon. "I said I could not do that for one very fundamental
reason," which is that no soldier or Marine in Iraq should "think -- ever -- that his chairman, whoever that person is, could have stayed in the battle and voluntarily walked off the battlefield.

Read more: http://kutv.com/topstories/topstories_story_166132002.html
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:48 PM
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1. General Pace has served his country well (over the course of his career)
I am not a General Pace fan but he did have strings attached these past two years. However, it must really fuck with the heads of the likes of bush and cheney and rove and limbaugh and hannity and the rest of the constitution hating trash for a man to state that I will not quit my troops and marines voluntarily, you will have to fire me. A glimpse of honor never seen in conservative circles. The generals remarks about gays were way out of line and inappropriate.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:49 PM
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2. also his letter of support for Libby seemed to go over the line...
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:52 PM
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3. Way over the line
When I first heard that I thought it might have been provided to him to sign but either way he signed it. Generals and Admirals should not dabble in such nonsense. I am optimistic about the ascendancy of the old Swabbie, Admiral Mullen.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 05:38 AM
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14. I'd be real careful about Mullen who embraces the "Long War" and takes a special interest in Iran
One thing about Pace that most people haven't been told is that he pushed back as the White House tried to Surge into Iran. See, Daily Kos: Pace Fired Because He Balked at Iran
Pace Fired Because He Balked at Iran. by leveymg. Fri Jun 08, 2007 at 01:16:41 PM PDT.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/8/154911/3350
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 04:10 PM
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8. yep, that was a uncalled for
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:04 PM
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9. Got that right!
Gen. Pace bashes gays, yet supports a guy who authored a fictional book with depictions of pedophillia and bestiality. Plus if he was so offensive to gays in the military, then why didn't he resigned over the fact that certain members of the white house are closeted hypocrites. Definitely not leading by example. :eyes:
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:53 PM
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5. If * As The Commander and Chief Feels The Same Way ......
it looks like we'll have to impeach him.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 06:07 AM
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15. No, General Pace has not served us well, the SOUND generals ...
we're purged before the invasion of Iraq. The one and two Stars of integrity who were spent out in the field (non-Pentagon assignments) retired soon thereafter.

Good Riddance General Pace who did not have the courage to speak truth to power. :thumbsdown:

Before you get all glassy eyed in anticipation of General Peaches Betray-us's upcoming report, consider Colonel Westhusing's last words:

Military ethicist indicted Gen. Petraeus in suicide note

http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2440


Westhusing worked under the supervision of two army generals: Joseph Fil, a major general (two stars) and Petraeus, a lieutenant general (three stars). Petraeus was impressed with Westhusing. By 2005, Petraeus had become a darling of the U.S. media thanks, in part, to his success in helping stabilize and rebuild northern Iraq. Petraeus liked what he saw in Westhusing and promoted him from lieutenant colonel to full colonel. In a March 2005 e-mail, Petraeus told Westhusing that he had “already exceeded the very lofty expectations that all had for you.”

/snip

By late May, Westhusing was becoming despondent over what he was seeing. Steeped in—and totally believing in—the West Point credo that a cadet will “not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do,” Westhusing found himself surrounded by contractors who had no interest in his ideals. He asked family members to pray for him. In a phone call with his wife, Michelle, who was back at West Point, Westhusing told her he planned to tell Petraeus that he was going to quit. She pleaded with him to just finish his tour and return home.

At about 1:15 in the afternoon, Westhusing was discovered in trailer 602A. Near his body was a note addressed to his commanders, Petraeus and Fil. Written in large, block letters, it read:

"Thanks for telling me it was a good day until I briefed you. —You are only interested in your career and provide no support to your staff—no msn support and you don’t care. I cannot support a msn that leads to corruption, human right abuses and liars. I am sullied—no more. I didn’t volunteer to support corrupt, money grubbing contractors, nor work for commanders only interested in themselves. I came to serve honorably and feel dishonored. I trust no Iraqi. I cannot live this way. All my love to my family, my wife and my precious children. I love you and trust you only. Death before being dishonored any more. Trust is essential—I don’t know who trust anymore. Why serve when you cannot accomplish the mission, when you no longer believe in the cause, when your every effort and breath to succeed meets with lies, lack of support, and selfishness? No more. Reevaluate yourselves, cdrs . You are not what you think you are and I know it.

COL Ted Westhusing

Life needs trust. Trust is no more for me here in Iraq."

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My Point: None of these present active duty Pentagon Generals are telling us the truth. IMO, any General Officer involved with the Iraqi Occupation who is of good character and integrity would have resigned in protest by now. Even former junior officers such as myself were educated in Military History. From that education we have learned simply: OCCUPATIONS don't work.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:52 PM
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4. I don't much about those generals; I do know that taking orders from Karl Rove
could make them look bad. Rove has screwed up everything he controls - from the invasion to the attorneys.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:57 PM
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6. definitely offended over a million veteran GLBT service people
http://www.gaywired.com/article.cfm?section=70&id=15116 <-- to see whole article

<snip>
Report Suggests Pace Departure Linked to Comments on Gays in the Military
06.10.07

CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr reported Friday that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Peter Pace's departure from that post may be linked to his recent comments regarding lesbian and gay military personnel.

According to Starr's report, Pace's comments, along with his role in planning the war in Iraq and his support for convicted Vice Presidential advisor I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, played key roles in Congressional opposition to Pace's re-nomination.

"His recent statements that he believed homosexual statements are immoral" presented a "significant problem" for Pace, according to Starr. "Congressional leaders, in warning Secretary of Defense Gates that Pace's remarks would be an obstacle to his confirmation, have sent a clear message that anti-gay prejudice has no place in public policy debates," said Sharra E. Greer, director of law and policy for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN). "General Pace's remarks are still fresh in the minds of lesbian, gay and bisexual military personnel and were disrespectful to their commitment and service to our country. Those who held General Pace responsible for his irresponsible remarks should be commended for taking a courageous stand in favor of our military personnel." In a March interview with The Chicago Tribune, Pace said that "I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts." He went on to reiterate his support for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" by saying that "I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way."

<snip>

I really like what Senator Simpson said in the article, also...

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- top 08 items, top b*sh stickers!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 02:34 PM
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7. Pace is a robotic yes-man and has served only himself and his neocon masters.
"Boohoohoo" he cries as he walks off to make millions with the corporations he has served faithfully.

He has been the second-worst CJCS in history, only behind his predecessor Myers.

A stooge, hand-selected by Rumsfeld himself. A disgrace to the uniform. His only redeeming quality is that he is not insane enough to go along with an attack on Iran. I'm sure the corporate cabal will find another low enough for the task.






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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:08 PM
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11. I say he pissed about 10% of the USMC...
...with his gay bashing. I'd like to hear him tell that to one of my squadron's former XO's, who I suspect at being a Lesbian. But I don't really give a rats ass about what gender someone is attracted to. All you care about is whether the Marine next to you does their job and doesn't slack off.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 07:00 AM
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16. Welcome to DU, Crowman1979
glad to have you here :hi:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:10 PM
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12. well written comment---what do you think about comments he's incompetent?
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:33 PM
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13. He probably wasn't before.
Yet that probably changed when someone in the BushCo told him that if he wanted to keep his career going, then he better not disagree with the presidents war plans, could be just a big time brown-noser or he could have been blackmailed, I don't know.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 12:01 PM
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17. Pace is extremely intelligent.
He is just on the wrong side. He stands with the rich and powerful, Bush's base, the corporate rulers.

He supported Rumsfeld at every mis-step of this Iraq debacle. He is not so much incompetent as he is disloyal.

Now he will get very wealthy on the board of a profiteering corporation, like so many generals.

He is intelligent enough to know this was a trumped-up war but he lacked the moral courage and loyalty to stand up and say it was wrong. That's why he was promoted to Chairman. He was a yes-man.

His only redeeming quality is that he is not insane enough to support an attack on Iran.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:07 PM
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10. Git your skinny ass off the cheeneeying table and STFU!!1 n/t
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 03:24 AM
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18. Pace is a total bigot ..
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