Nifong To Resign As Durham DA (Duke Case)

[Hissyspit]

Source: WGHP

Nifong to Resign as Durham DA

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- Duke lacrosse prosecutor Mike Nifong says he will resign as the Durham County district attorney, regardless of the outcome of his ethics trial.

Nifong says many of the allegations against him are justified, but he says he's not a liar. He apologized to the lacrosse players who were charged and later declared innocent, and he says he was trying to do the right thing in the case.

Nifong made the announcement that he would resign as he took the stand in his own defense. The North Carolina State Bar has charged Nifong with violating rules governing professional conduct in his handling of the case.


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[mahatmakanejeeves]

1. adding another link

Embattled Nifong Says He'll Resign

[loyalkydem]

2. I'm not surprised

and notice how everyone has completely forgot the victim in this case.

[Tess49]

3. What victim?

[blondeatlast]

8. Don't hold your breath with this one.

He took a wrong exit...

[Miss Chybil]

4. Don't you mean the victims?

The Duke LaCrosse players.

[Tess49]

5. Exactly. n/t

[pampango]

6. Come on, they are rich, white, privileged kids.

Is it possible for them to be victims? ;) If nothing else, they are guilty of being similar to others who have done bad things in the past. (I am trying to summarize the case for not caring about what happened to the lacrosse players.)

[slackmaster]

7. If I was a porn star I'd use Duke LaCrosse as a screen name

[rinsd]

18. !

:spray:

[Socal31]

91. Are you serious?

So you dont care about someone because they are born into a successful family? The fact that they were headed for prison, where they would be subject to horrific events doesnt bother you, because they are "white"? One of the most racist posts I have ever read.

[bluestateguy]

12. Indeed we should not forget the three victims: the Lacrosse players

and to a lesser extent, the whole team.

[fazoolius_2006]

25. Very true.

[IndianaGreen]

28. Victim? The lying and seriously disturbed Crystal Gail Mangum?

The only victims were the 3 players wrongly accused, the Duke Lacrosse team wrongly smeared, and their families.

2006 Duke University lacrosse case

The 2006 Duke University lacrosse case began in March 2006 when Crystal Gail Mangum, an African-American exotic dancer, falsely claimed that she had been raped by three unidentified white members of the Duke University men's lacrosse team. Mangum had been engaged to work a party held at the residence of two of the team captains, and she reported that the incident took place there.

Subsequently, three of the team's members - David Evans of Bethesda, Maryland, Reade Seligmann of Essex Fells, New Jersey, and Collin Finnerty of Garden City, New York - were charged with first-degree forcible rape, first-degree sexual offense, and kidnapping.<1> Duke's nationally ranked lacrosse team's season was suspended for the rest of the 2006 season.

The initial prosecutor for the case, Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong, withdrew from the case in January 2007, after the North Carolina State bar filed ethics charges against him based on his actions in prosecuting this case.<2> Nifong had originally responded to the charges by saying the defense was engaged in a smear campaign against him.<3> On April 12, 2007, however, he issued a carefully-worded statement, "To the extent that I made judgments that ultimately proved to be incorrect, I apologize to the three students that were wrongly accused." The case has drawn national attention and highlighted racial tensions in the Durham, North Carolina area.<4> On 15 June, 2007, Nifong apologized to the Duke families during his ethics committee hearing, and declared his intent to resign as district attorney.<5>

On April 11, 2007, North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper announced that all charges against the three lacrosse players had been dropped and that "based on the significant inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we believe these three individuals are innocent of these charges." Cooper stated that his own investigation "led us to the conclusion that no attack occurred." He said the charges resulted from a "tragic rush to accuse and a failure to verify serious allegations"<6> by a DA. "This case shows the enormous consequences of overreaching by a prosecutor," Cooper added.<6> In the same interview, Cooper offered no explanation of the woman’s motive or mental health. However, he said that no criminal charges will be brought against her because she “may actually believe” the many different stories she told.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Duke_University_lacrosse_team_scandal

Final NC Attorney General Report here:

www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0427071duke1.htm

[Mike Daniels]

34. You meaning the stripper who lied her ass off?

She lost "victim" status when her case fell apart due to no evidence to support any of her claims.

[TankLV]

39. Yes - those poor INNOCENT BOYS whom that skank LIED about...

Don't ever forget those innocent boys whose lives were ruined by that horrible person...

[silverojo]

51. "Innocent boys"?

They're hanging out at the kind of wild parties where they have "exotic dancers" (read: hookers), and they wonder why they got falsely accused of rape?

If they'd been studying, or out on an actual one-on-one date, they wouldn't have gotten in trouble. After all, it's kind of hard to be accused of rape if you're nowhere near the so-called victim....

It's nice to turn this old, tired phrase on guys for once: "They asked for it." :rofl:

Seriously, though, maybe now they'll learn their lesson and stay on the straight and narrow. This time was a close call--next time, they might not be so lucky. Hit the books instead of the parties and bars...what a novel concept!

[TankLV]

57. Yes - INNOCENT - EXONERATED - the NC Bar even stated so...

they were just not "not guilty" - because of the DNA - they were proved "INNOCENT" of the charges.

Take your man-hating and shove it - you need therapy...

The SKANK was a slut - a whore - she had the semen of SEVERAL other men in her at the time - we all know WHAT she was, that is not at issue.

She saw GOLD in these INNOCENT boys - and tried to wrangle a possible out of court settlement of millions from them - but luckily - their wealth went to proving beyond all reasonable doubt what a skank and whore this golddiggin LIAR she was...

But go on - defend this lying piece of shit...

[LisaL]

61. Actually one of them left the party early and had cell phone

records, ATM records, and a taxi receipt to prove it. Do you understand what "alibi" means? Didn't stop him from being accused of rape.

[OzarkDem]

76. You're joking, right?

You can't really be that ignorant to think these were good kids who were victimized.

[Mike Daniels]

78. They were falsely accused of rape by a mentally disturbed individual

How else would you define victimized?

[kay1864]

9. Don't let the door hit you in the ass, Nifong

He used this case not for justice, but to get himself re-elected by pandering to the black vote in Durham. He's a disgrace, and a liar.

Also, it's alleged that his resignation is a ploy to save his law license. Either way, he deserves to be disbarred. He doesn't need to join a cushy law firm after this travesty.

[blondeatlast]

10. I watched this morning and I swore he was rehearsing for a DOJ stint...

"I don't recall..."

"In my mind..."

"That's not how I interpreted it..."

[bluestateguy]

13. Our party needs to have a formal excommunication process

A process whereby someone can be removed, BANNED from the Democratic Party, to the point where the state Secretary of State won't let you register with that party.

We need to have a process in place whereby the party can formally kick out members who run afoul of the law or breach the public trust in a substantial way.

[blondeatlast]

17. Bullshit. We need to take separate politics and corruption. Newt Gingrich led us down

that slimy path, we need to find our way back.

Thanks for your concern...

[fazoolius_2006]

33. Not sure if that is possible.

I thought Pelosi and Reid were going to sort that out and get us started in the right direction, but alas, they are politicians like all the others. The earmarks are out of control still.

[blondeatlast]

35. Right, it's all their fault.

:eyes:

[kay1864]

19. Excommunication, I like that!

Nifong is a stain on the Democratic Party.

Betcha he ends up with a stint on FauxNews. He and Gonzales would fit right in, lies and denials and all.

[robcon]

36. In other words you want a Stalinist Democratic Party?

You'd like qualifications... party loyalty, acceptable opinions, no variance from the received party directives.


That's not my party. That's not the Democratic Party.

[marshall]

38. Is honesty and abiding by the law too much to ask?

I agree that some variation in party loyalty, acceptable opinions, etc. ought to be fostered, but come on, is it really out of order to ask that they follow the law?

[TankLV]

58. How about getting rid of the criminals and LIARS and worse among us...

YES - but it would be AMERICAN, not "stalinist"...

If you can be "disbarred" from a professional society, you should be able to be expelled from a political organization for the same reprehensible behaviour...

[OzarkDem]

71. Our party?

My party, the Democratic Party, doesn't have a history of the lynch mob mentality. Perhaps you're thinking of another party.

[jberryhill]

30. Resigning won't save his license

[bluestateguy]

11. That's not enough. Criminal charges must follow

and that includes charges for the so-called "victim" Crystal Gail Mangum.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Ms Mangum should have been prosecuted for filing a false police report

just as the "Runaway Bride" was. Lucky for her, the North Carolina Attorney General cut her some slack based on her history of psychological disorders and drug abuse. The AG preferred to throw the book at Nifong instead.

[yardwork]

52. It's not entirely clear that she ever actually filed charges

She told the police that she had been raped that night, but she was extremely drunk and apparently on drugs, as well. The other stripper actually called the police because Mangum wouldn't get out of her car. When the police arrived they were going to arrest her for public drunkenness, etc., and that's when she started saying that she had been attacked. So the police took her to the hospital, following standard procedure. Mangum continued to say she had been raped, but her stories changed constantly even that night. The attending physician found no evidence of rape. The hospital sent her home that night.

News reports said that Mangum was surprised when the story surfaced a few weeks later. I don't think that she ever intended to press charges. I think that Nifong saw an opportunity and ran with it.

[LisaL]

54. Mangum had wanted to continue with the case even

after special prosecutors took over.
Nifong was already gone, but she still wanted to continue to go forward.
Of course she continued to tell special prosecutors multiple stories that were not supported by evidence. But it does not look that Nifong forced Mangum to continue despite her wishes.

[yardwork]

55. I don't think that Mangum did anything to perpetuate the case.

She has serious mental health problems and obvious drug and alcohol issues. Whenever she is interviewed she says something different. When the special prosecutors approached her, she said yes, go forward (telling yet another bizarre story).

However, if she had been left alone, I doubt that she ever would have gone downtown to file charges.

[LisaL]

56. Since she alleged she was raped that first night, I don't think

police had other choice but investigate. She was taken to the hospital to have her SANE exam done. I don't think for investigation to proceed Mangum had to go somewhere and file charges.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

14. If Nifong had been a Republican,...

he would have made the Top Ten Conservative Idiots list 52 weeks running. Yet he remained conspicuously absent.

[marshall]

15. Probably because he's NOT conservative

He's just rotten.

[bluestateguy]

16. perhaps we should have a Top Ten Democratic idiots of the week

Throw that one in the suggestion box.

[kay1864]

20. Yeah, lemme know how that works out

:eyes:

[yardwork]

21. Nifong is a lot of things, but there's no evidence that he is conservative.

I don't understand the point of your post, I guess. Are you saying that DU gives a pass to Democrats who behave badly? Nifong's been ripped up one side and down the other on these boards. For good reason, I'll add. The only people defending him are folks who know practically nothing at all about the case.

The Top Ten Conservative Idiots list is for conservatives.

[kay1864]

22. Holy crap, some DUers were actually defending this guy?

I hope you mean only initially, and not after last fall or so.

I guess we have all kinds here on DU, but cheese and rice, talk about having blinders on.

[Psephos]

26. You missed a lot of fireworks

IMO a majority of posters preached the Nifong fiction when the story broke, and like that Japanese soldier who hid on Iwo Jima for decades, an embarrassing number of them bunkered down and stuck to their dogma with rancor and mocking tones.

Use the search function if you doubt me.

Dogma, or to put it colloquially, believing what we want to believe instead of what evidence and sense tell us, affects partisans on both ends of the political spectrum. One might say it is a universal evil.

[marshall]

27. I can take a serious discussion with a difference of opinion

What gets my goat is people saying "Don't discuss the Duke case" and then proceed to rant that we ought to be discussing x, y, or z.

[Psephos]

31. Quite true n/t

[TankLV]

41. Go to the "Feminist" group - they're still convinced the EXHONERATED Duke Players are guilty...

strange bunch there...

[IndianaGreen]

46. They probably think that Tawana Brawley told the truth

When one associates victimhood with class, race, gender, or even religion, it is justice that suffers.

[Psephos]

60. IG, you've said it perfectly n/t

[OzarkDem]

70. That's a right wing talking point

are you sure you're in the right forum?

Amazing how this case seems to make some DU'ers sound just like freepers.

[ncabot22]

86. What?

How in the hell does Indiana Green sound like a freeper with that statement? IG makes sense.

[mountains539]

101. ok......

I seem to feel that you would be happier had this woman actually been raped so that the charges would have been true and the guys punished.

I just cant quite make out if you feel that they should be convicted because they drank underage, had a fist fight in the past, and legally hired a stripper...combined with the fact that they play lacrosse and went to a prestigious university.
I mean, come on.....its lacrosse. those jocks are treated like stars......whats the average starting salary for professional lacrosse these days.......1.5 million? 2 million? its hard to turn on the tv to watch some baseball or football and not have to wade around all those pro lacrosse games.

please explain the crimes that these guys commited, based on evidence that they should be punished for? good thing your son wasnt accidentally at that party or he could have been one of the ones falsely, randomly accused and you could be saddled with millions in legal bills.
are the crimes being white and playing sports and drinking at a party? those are the things that we KNOW they did and are.
I agree, big name revenue sports athletes are treated differently than the student body but this is lacrosse......a non revenue generating sport. the school cancelled the season. so they dont get punished? THEY CANCELLED THE SEASON! THEY FIRED THE COACH! THE BLACK PANTHERS ISSUED DEATH THREATS! THEY WERE SUSPENDED FROM SCHOOL FOR UNFOUNDED CHARGES!

ohhhh wait a minute....none of that ever happend because they played sports so they couldnt be touched

[OzarkDem]

69. They are

They just got off on a technicality. Their behavior was despicable, if not outright criminal. They had a history of breaking the law and bad behavior. Just because they didn't get caught red-handed doesn't mean they're innocent.

[ncabot22]

87. You are completely wrong

They didn't get off on a technicality; they were declared innocent by the AG of North Carolina. There was no evidence, no DNA, nothing to show that something happened that night.

However, if you have evidence something happened, keyboard prosecutor, please please post it and then forward it to the new Durham DA. I'm sure he/she would be glad to have it.

[tammywammy]

90. Maybe you need to read up on this case a little

They didn't get off on a technicality. The AG took the usual step to not say there's not evidence, but declare these men innocent.

And please show me something more than drunk & disorderly and underage drinking as the "history of breaking the law and bad behavior."

[LisaL]

99. Very true. AG Cooper is a democrat and sensitive to the minority

issues. The special prosecutors looked at all the evidence, and obviously there was plenty of evidence of their innocence, such as photos, videos, and cell phone records.
That's not even taking into account DNA evidence that should have alone exonerated them.

[TankLV]

93. Technicality? TECHNICALITY?! Like being entirely INNOCENT of the accused crime?!

THAT "technicality"?!

You are fucking NUTS!

Go back to the "Feminist" Group where you can resume your lynching of these INNOCENT boys...

[OzarkDem]

68. If he were a Republican

None of this would have been an issue, the news media would have ignored the story altogether and he would remain in his job.

[Igel]

23. Wrong tense.

"Will" is not what's needed; "have" is the required auxiliary.

[tammywammy]

24. I guess it's better late than never

:shrug: He should have resigned a long time ago.

[fazoolius_2006]

32. Good riddance.

Now the players can sue his a$$!

[robcon]

37. I don't think they can win a suit.

DA's are protected from such lawsuits - or every defendant who was found not guilty would sue the DA for false prosecution.

[Truthiness Inspector]

42. I think they might be able to

successfully sue Nifong. He might be a DA, but if the players can show that he acted outside the scope of his duties (which it appears he did), he many lose indemnity.

A DA who is prosecuting a case in good faith, but doesn't get a conviction is a whole other ball of wax than what Nifong did here. Nifong quite clearly acted in very, very bad faith.

...not an attorney nor do I play one on tv, just tossing in my 2 cents.

[OzarkDem]

84. They also

wouldn't have much of a case. A lot more evidence is allowed in civil trials and the jocks had an unsavory past that won't help them much in court.

[Zynx]

As well he should, and not a day too soon.

[Zynx]

40. As well he should, and not a day too soon.

[ProudDad]

43. A couple important points

1) Victims?

A group of rich, white college kids who hold a wild drinking party and hire a couple of strippers could hardly be classed as "innocent victims" (unless you're a misogynist asshole, that is)

2) All DA's LIE. Big fucking DUH!!!

Mr. Nifong's crime is that this time his lies were designed to support the "prosecution" of a bunch of rich, white college jocks. BIG MISTAKE. If he'd kept to the usual job of a DA, prosecuting lower class whites and all people of color, he'd have no problem...that's just business as usual in the criminally-unjust system.

[marshall]

44. They are Nifong's victims

Being a victim is not a social designation--it means that the person is on the receiving end of some kind of particular injustice. In this matter the three students were victims of a dishonest DA, and they were declared innocent by his replacement.

[farraday]

45. You're dodging the point

"A group of rich, white college kids who hold a wild drinking party and hire a couple of strippers could hardly be classed as "innocent victims""

Correct. However, they became victims when the stripper lied about them and ruined their lives.

[TankLV]

59. And the "INNOCENT" part is of the rape and other charges...

No - they were not "innocent" in all senses...

They've probably "touched themselves" and even had "sex" once or twice, too...

Used profanity...

And - ohmygod - HIRED STRIPPERS - how horrible! (only - more correctly - one of these "strippers" was a LYING WHORE...who tried to ruin these INNOCENT boys lives)

[ProudDad]

63. "ruined"

How?

[TankLV]

67. Let's see - being VILIFIED in public as RAPISTS?

Not letting finish playing their sport for the entire YEAR because of the trumed up charges and "assumed guilty" part?

Being forced to transfer out of Duke for some?

The list goes on, but go ahead and continue to defend the indefensible...

[OzarkDem]

83. Maybe they'll think twice

before acting like drunken fratboys, getting a bad reputation on campus for drunken, violent behavior and hiring strippers and pawing them.

These kids are an accident waiting to happen. They may have gotten out of this fix, but the odds are high they'll get into more trouble. Many of their defenders think that's ok, but it isn't.

These kids are all too common on campuses these days. They were around when I was in school, too. Privleged, ignorant drunken jocks who were pretty much untouchable and unaccountable for their behavior. Girls learned early on to be very careful if they accidentally encountered them at a party. The best advice was to stop, look around for help and exit the room as quickly as possible.

My son accidentally encountered some while visiting a friend at another campus. It took him about 10 minutes to realize the situation he was in (drunken, obnoxious jocks looking for a fight) , enough time for them to start beating up a black girl who was at the party (they seem to have a problem w/ black women). My son and his friends quietly got up and headed for the door. When the drunken jocks knocked the black girl down the stairs in front of him, my son couldn't hold his tongue any longer and told them it wasn't necessary to beat up on the girl, she was leaving. Ten of them ganged up on him and his friend instead and beat them to a bloody pulp, leaving him with a concussion, black eyes and stitches. The cops driving by outside refused to do anything about it - they were football players and immune from prosecution.

My son learned a valuable lesson. He played football and ran track in high school, but now holds jocks with the greatest contempt, as do most other kids on campus. They're human garbage. Nifong had the guts to stand up to them and now he's paying the price for it.

[TankLV]

94. Yeah - next time someone rapes a woman because she was wearing sexy clothing, I'll count on your

condemning her too, right?

You are truly CLUELESS!

[LisaL]

98. I find it hard to believe that police would just ignore football

players beating up a woman and then your son.

[Occulus]

104. Welcome to my ignore list

SO, so glad you're not MY dad.

Judgemental as hell, you.

[LisaL]

47. Hah? Just because somebody is rich, doesn't mean they can't

be victims.
And they were specifically called victims today, in Nifong's disbarment announcement.

[lynne]

48. Rich? That's a huge assumption -

- and unless you've seen their parents tax returns you have no knowledge of their financial situation. MANY kids have put themselves through college via scholarships, student loans and working. Yes, these kids were jocks. Maybe they HAD to be jocks to get an athletic scholarship in order to attend the school of their choice. I sure don't know BUT I'm not going to blame them for being victimized because they happen to attend a school that some may equate with money.

Guess it's their fault for being white, too? :banghead:

[jberryhill]

49. Oh, but a drunk car thief..

...who tried to run over a police officer with the stolen car, and then months later tries to dodge a probation violation when taken to detox after a drunk fight in a parking lot is definitely a victim.

Got it.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Psephos]

50. Innocent people being set up for something they didn't do is ok by you? What's wrong with you?

Meanwhile, Seligman's family had to borrow money from other people just to make bail for him. Maybe they're not quite the rich privileged bastards you love to believe.

[ProudDad]

64. I know reading is hard folks,

but nowhere did I say that it's ok for the fucking DA's to set anyone up.

Read my post.

I am suggesting that these drunken jocks, who hired a stripper hardly represent anyone that should merit praise of any kind. If it were my son or grandson I'd ask him, "what you got, shit for brains. I'm not sending you to college to fuck off!"

That a VERY UNUSUAL DA was willing to go after rich, white college kids is what's also very unusual and was the other point of my post.

[LisaL]

66. No doubt the only thing your offsprings do in college is study.

[OzarkDem]

74. Why the hostility?

Why do you feel it necessary to attack people who don't approve of the behavior of the students? I can only imagine the kind of background you come from to condone it.

I agree with ProudDad. My sons are disgusted by this kind of behavior in fellow students. They know how to go to college, study and have a good time without making asses of themselves and victimizing others.

[TankLV]

95. So when some yahoo trys to claim the "woman was asking for it" because of the way she dressed, we

can count on you to defend the rapist?

Convoluted bullshit like yours is truly priceless...

[OzarkDem]

73. Innocent?

Do a little research. These kids had a history of problems. Seligmans should have done a better job of raising their son if they didn't want to get stuck with legal bills.

Fortunately, this kind of regressive, misogynist behavior has fallen out of favor on most campuses and most male students look down on the drunken frat boy types.

[yardwork]

53. I think that you are missing the really important issue, which is prosecutorial misconduct

If we allow prosecutors to go around manufacturing evidence and/or hiding exculpatory evidence against people, then everyone is at risk.

There is no moral difference between Nifong railroading these men and the bush administration throwing people in Gitmo without charges or attorneys.

Yes, we heard about this case because those accused had the resources and connections to hire good private attorneys and get a lot of publicity and political pressure brought to this case.

Meanwhile, there are poor black and white people in jail because of similar cases in Durham and other places in North Carolina. Some of them have been on death row.

If we excuse Nifong because those unfairly accused were well-connected, then we're ignoring everyone else who has been victimized by unethical prosecutors and police. The next vicim might be you or me.

[ProudDad]

65. WHERE THE F*CK DID I SAY

excuse Nifong.

I'm saying that the actions of those college kids were also reprehensible, not that his weren't!

READING SKILLS PEOPLE!!!

[OzarkDem]

75. You seem to be missing the point

Nifong or no Nifong, these kids behavior is still stupid and inexcusable and the efforts of right wingers, the news media and some on this forum to portray them as victims of some kind is ridiculous. If these kids didn't want to end up in court they should have cleaned up their act a long time ago. It wasn't the first nor will it be the last mistake these kids make. If their parents cared for them at all, they would be getting them some counseling and enforcing some rules.

[marshall]

96. And hopefully Mangum is getting counseling too

A young woman with three children making her living as a stripper is not my idea of a healthy job choice--though there may be those who disagree with me. I hope she is able to use Jesse Jackson's offer to complete her education (at Duke, wouldn't that be ironic) and gets herself in a more stable line of work.

[LisaL]

97. Mangum never went to Duke. She went to NCCU.

Jesse offered to pay for her NCCU education.
By the way, it was a while ago so somebody should ask Jesse if the offer still stands.

[marshall]

100. It would be awfully hard for him to pull back from what he said

I assume the offer still stands. Magnum has been held in seclusion, first by Nifong and later I guess she was just hiding from the media. And of course she had a child recently. Perhaps now she can start to put her life back together:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1091599/

[XemaSab]

62. Alcohol and strippers are legal.

Some might argue that these things are not MORAL, but they are legal.

Watching a stripper perform is nowhere near committing rape, and it's a weakening of the seriousness of rape as a crime to conflate the two.

[OzarkDem]

72. Very good points

Painting the jocks as victims has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time. As a parent of sons, this group had (and probably still has) a lot of problems when it comes to understanding boundaries.

Let's hope the next woman they victimize puts them in their place - behind bars.

[CreekDog]

77. puts them behind bars for hiring a stripper?

Is that what you are saying OzarkMtnDem?

[Mike Daniels]

80. Who the hell did they victimize?

They hired a stripper which is completely legal.

The stripper came on her volition, performed under contract, accused a bunch of the students of raping her and was then revealed as a liar.

How in the hell is she a victim or anything other than her poor life choices?

[ProudDad]

102. You don't really think

that a gang of drunken jocks sat there politely, hands folded in their laps, while their employee fulfilled the terms of her lawful contract with them, do you?

If you do, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to talk to you about.

----------------------

I'd like to add point #3:

What the F*CK kind of country is it when a single-mother trying to get an education HAS to strip for a bunch of college jerks in order to pay for that education and her kids' food, clothing and housing? In a civilized society, we'd all help shoulder her burden and the burden of the less fortunate.

It's interesting to contrast the relative power and privilege of those white, college jocks with that of a black single-mother -- who is also trying to get a college education.


On Edit: POOR LIFE CHOICES!!!! Nice repuke talking point you've got there...

[tammywammy]

89. Sorry

drunk & disorderly, drinking underage, etc does not equal rape. I can't believe you'd even imply that these men deserved what happened to them.

Hiring a stripper may not be moral in your viewpoint, but it's entirely legal. BTW, she wasn't the only stripper there either, and the other didn't cry rape either.

Show me evidence they've ever victimized a woman before, otherwise, it's time for you to step off your high horse.

[ProudDad]

103. Reading;

a lost art it appears.

No where did I say or imply that they deserved to be the targets of a rogue prosecutor.

In fact, my point was how unusual it was that affluent white jocks were the target of such an action by a DA. It usually NEVER happens to people of that class.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

105. She was a lying

bitch, whore. She deserves everything that's coming to her. And who the fuck are you to decide that hiring strippers is immoral? Are you a part of the puritan Left that wants to censor sexuality as much as the fundies do?

[itcfish]

79. Does Anyone Know

if this Nifong is a democrat? The republican blogs are claiming he is.

[LisaL]

81. Yes he is a democrat.

The republicans in Durham don't have much of a chance to be elected anywhere.
This case happened before a primary in which his opponents were a white female and a black male.

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[CreekDog]

85. Pretty nasty of your Ozark Mountain Dem

Calling the poster above you a Republican.

[tammywammy]

88. Uncalled for

Lizzy's anything but a republican.

[Psephos]

92. Not only are you being mean-spirited, but ignorant, too - lizzy is bonafide true blue n/t