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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 10:21 PM
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Iraq on verge of genocidal war, warns ex-US official (Jay Garner)
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 11:16 PM by EarlG
Source: Guardian Unlimited

Iraq on verge of genocidal war, warns ex-US official


Patrick Wintour
Monday June 18, 2007
The Guardian

The man who led the initial American effort to reconstruct Iraq after the war believes the country is on the brink of a genocidal civil war and its government will fall apart unless the US changes course and allows a three-way federal structure. He has also urged talks with Iran and other regional players.

Jay Garner, the former US general appointed two months before the invasion to head reconstruction in Iraq, admitted that before the 2003 war coordination between the various US departments and military had been disjointed.

He also disclosed that the US state department official in charge of postwar planning, Thomas Warrick, was prevented from joining his team by Donald Rumsfeld, who was defence secretary. He said he was shocked by the Pentagon's decision to reduce troop levels and disband the Iraqi army.

...

Mr Garner also admitted he did not see several of the plans prepared by the Bush administration and does not know why. He also revealed that he rang Mr Rumsfeld to tell him to stop reducing the US troop deployment and warned him that the consequent power vacuums were filling up with " fundamentalists". He also admits he was stunned by the decision in mid-May 2003 to disband the Iraqi army, saying at one stroke, it created a 200,000- strong armed opposition.

Read more: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,,2105443,00.html



!!!!!!!

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The total lack of Phase 4 planning is on the head of Rumsfeld.

Post-war planning non-existent

By WARREN P. STROBEL and JOHN WALCOTT
Knight Ridder Newspapers

Posted on Sun, Oct. 17, 2004

WASHINGTON - In March 2003, days before the start of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, American war planners and intelligence officials met at Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina to review the Bush administration's plans to oust Saddam Hussein and implant democracy in Iraq.

Near the end of his presentation, an Army lieutenant colonel who was giving a briefing showed a slide describing the Pentagon's plans for rebuilding Iraq after the war, known in the planners' parlance as Phase 4-C. He was uncomfortable with his material - and for good reason.

The slide said: "To Be Provided."

A Knight Ridder review of the administration's Iraq policy and decisions has found that it invaded Iraq without a comprehensive plan in place to secure and rebuild the country. The administration also failed to provide some 100,000 additional U.S. troops that American military commanders originally wanted to help restore order and reconstruct a country shattered by war, a brutal dictatorship and economic sanctions.

...

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9927782.htm


And we didn't have a plan because Rumsfeld personally put the kibosh on any attempt to make a plan!


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_09/009469.php

"The secretary of defense continued to push on us ... that everything we write in our plan has to be the idea that we are going to go in, we're going to take out the regime, and then we're going to leave," Scheid said. "We won't stay."

Scheid said the planners continued to try "to write what was called Phase 4," or the piece of the plan that included post-invasion operations like occupation.

Even if the troops didn't stay, "at least we have to plan for it," Scheid said.

"I remember the secretary of defense saying that he would fire the next person that said that," Scheid said. "We would not do planning for Phase 4 operations, which would require all those additional troops that people talk about today.

"He said we will not do that because the American public will not back us if they think we are going over there for a long war."

...."In his own mind he thought we could go in and fight and take out the regime and come out. But a lot of us planners were having a real hard time with it because we were also thinking we can't do this. Once you tear up
a country you have to stay and rebuild it. It was very challenging."


I guess Rummy figured if they didn't plan for a long occupation there wouldn't be one.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 10:22 PM
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1. Let's see BushCo spin THIS happy news from one of their own.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:23 PM
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8. They're probably still wondering why the Eye-rackies aren't more grateful.
Recommended, in any case.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:24 PM
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10. He is a close friend of Cheney and Rumsfeld, who.......


THE MILITARY

Lt Gen Jay Garner

Nicknamed variously the Sheriff of Baghdad, Iraq's king, pro-consul, or president. Garner fought in the first Gulf war and in January was coaxed out of retirement to be the director of the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance for Iraq. A fan of Jinsa (the Jewish Institute for National security Affairs), he has praised the Israeli defence force for its "remarkable restraint in the face of lethal violence orchestrated by the leadership of the Palestinian Authority''.

After one Jinsa junket he also said: "A strong Israel is an asset that American military planners and political leaders can rely on.'' He is president of SY Coleman, the defence firm that specialises in Patriot missiles and which was awarded over a billion-dollar contract this year to provide logistics support to US special forces. SY Coleman is a subsidiary of L-3 Communications, the ninth-largest contributor to US political parties from the defence electronics sector.

He is a Pentagon place man who is directly answerable to General Tommy Franks, head of US CentCom. This has been jumped on by many as proof that the reconstruction work is at best a Pentagon operation and at worst a military occupation. A Vietnam veteran and former assistant Chief of Staff, Garner is no stranger to Iraq, having headed the Kurdish relief programme after the first Gulf war. He is a close friend of Cheney and Rumsfeld, who co-opted him to work on the extension of missile defence in space. ......

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/041703A.shtml
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:20 AM
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18. Thanks for the info and link!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:29 AM
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31. They will trot out the old rumspuke quote...
democracy is messy sometimes.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:54 PM
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33. no need to spin, I smell A new TERROR ALERT by June 28 n/t
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 01:21 PM by bushmeat
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 10:40 PM
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2. And we STILL have to rely on the foreign media for these stunning details!
More from this devastating article:


.....

In a Channel 4 documentary to be screened this week, Tony Blair's foreign policy adviser, David Manning, admits he does not know why more was not done to plan for the war's aftermath. He said: "Well it's hard to know exactly what happened over the postwar planning. I can only say that I remember the PM raising this many months before the war began. He was very exercised about it. ... But it isn't a question I find easy to answer "

Sir Jeremy Greenstock, a former British ambassador to the UN, tells the programme Mr Blair was tearing his hair out asking "What are the Americans up to?"

Mr Garner revealed he spent two frantic days in February 2003 trying to discover what postwar plans existed, and how they related to one another.

He said: "I asked Tom Warrick ... to join our organisation which he did the following Monday, and then about Thursday of that week I was told to remove him from the organisation. So I argued with that. I told Secretary Rumsfeld I didn't want to do that.

"I went to see Stephen Hadley, the number two at the National Security Council and said I don't want to do that but I was told I had to."

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If the House of Representatives does not immediately commence impeachment proceedings against the Bush Administration, the world will never forgive us.

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:10 PM
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5. Impeach now damn it
Should never have gone this far, we have the advantage of hindsight if we can call the lack of oversight to the rule of law to our advantage is pathetic at best, the general populist acknowledged being in the dark ok, but congress letting this slip by because they didn't read the fine print is negligent, it's time to put a stop to it all, no excuses.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:13 PM
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6. Just about once a week I call my reps for one reason or another;
and I always add my strong feeling that the highest ranking members of this misadministration should ALL be impeached.

I really think we have a duty to harp at Congress on this. They can't just walk away from their crimes without paying the consequences. And if Congress allows them to, their complacency makes them equally guilty.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:01 PM
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32. I would call, but I don't want to disturb them
while they are on an important call hammering out the specifics of a bribe from a defense contractor.

Seriously, I'm sure they laugh hysterically at the futility of our phone calls.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 05:22 PM
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35. Some of them may;
but I don't think Barbara Mikulski does. She's the salt of the earth, that woman is.
Cardin's too new for me to tell yet. Hoyer, I've had my doubts about; but I tell them all what I think, regardless. Eventually, the Lieberman type of politician has to realize that they need the support of their constituents in order to get re-elected.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 10:52 PM
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3. Rumsfeld always had an "aura" of supreme self-confidence
Someone should write a book about all the damage this man has done!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 10:55 PM
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4. Story is too big for the MSM to ignore, but I've been wrong before.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:23 PM
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7. R
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:24 PM
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9. What Really Makes Me Simmer Is Why So Much Is Coming Out Now!
A bit late for all this information to be hitting the fan don't ya think??

Having said that I do have "some" understanding of all things military since I grew up in a military family. There is a certain culture and so many "rules & regulations" even for the kids who live the life.

I'm so cynical and have been for such a long time, but now I wonder HOW this country will recover and HOW LONG it's going to take. If a Democrat becomes President it's going to be hell to pay! There are days I wonder WHY anyone would want to be President after these GOOF BALLS being in office for so long!!!!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:33 PM
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11. Really, it call came out, but insiders like Garner refused to talk for the record.
If you look at the articles I linked in the comments, you'll see what I mean. The story has been out there, based on anonymous sources, and it just hasn't gotten any play in the MSM.

But Bush is going to have to respond to this. I hope someone asks that ass Tony Snow about this tomorrow.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:41 PM
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14. Would Be Nice... But Snow Knows How To Do A Snow-Job...
For someone who has had bouts with cancer, he sure knows how to dance the dance!

It "should" be interesting, but when there's such a LONG list to contend with I'm beginning to think it's all just another fly in the ointment! It's really so very sad and so very despicable!

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:42 AM
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20. Except, tony snow has a BIG credibility problem... (Comedy Central):
Jon Stewart stars in: Double Impact

"Based on Performance" vs. "We Have Never Said That"

NOOOO!! YOU JUST SAID THAT!! :crazy:
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Baron Harkonen Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:41 PM
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13. exactly...
It amazes me how long it takes Americans to "catch on." It sucks sometimes living on the cutting edge and waiting. I grew up in a military family too, carried an M-16 for these sellouts, then get called antiAmerican by people who didn't serve, get my job send to India Anger...
thanks for reading.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 07:53 AM
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27. Welcome to DU!
I think we all feel disillusionment at this point.

:beer:
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sbyte Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:40 PM
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12. They didn't have one plan, They had two
See: Armed Madhouse" Greg Palast. Page51-52,.. an Insert Called "A SECRET HISTORY OF THE WAR OVER OIL IN IRAQ"
Feb 2001: Plan A
Within a month of Bush Jr's first inaugural, National Security Council and State Department convene a confab in Walnut Creek, Calif. to plan the invasion of Iraq. ....~~~
One plan was for "an invasion that acted like a coup...shut down for two or three days...then everything is..as is. "As is," especially in the oil ministry, which would retain the government oil monopoly.

Oct 2001-Feb 2003 Plan B
Embolden by the September 11 attacks and ease of conquering Afghanistan, neo-cons draft their counter-plan: a yearlong occupation to remake Iraq into a free market miracle. The 101-page secret program becomes a Christmas tree for insider lobbyists, including Grover Norquest, who help load it with corporate goodies....~~~and the CPP ("Comprehensive Privatization Program") to sell off "all state assets, "especially the oil."
________________________________________________________________________

This is the internal fight for dealing with how or who controls the OIL.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 11:44 PM
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15. Hasn't this been the US government's goal from the beginning?
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:00 AM
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16. No.
This is their worst nightmare.

They wanted a stable, friendly Iraq that they could pump the oil out of and use as a base to attack anyone who opposed them in the ME.

They sure as shit did not get that.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:20 AM
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17. They don't know how to win unless they DIVIDE and conquer.
Divide comes first.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 12:27 AM
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19. Ever notice that when "ex-officials" break loose from this administration,
Edited on Mon Jun-18-07 12:27 AM by wienerdoggie
they never say things that AGREE WITH the admin's version of facts? It always ends up being critical/contradictory. It's almost a tradition, now--leave the Bush administration, refute it. They all want their honor back, somehow, after joining in the deceit when they were in power.

edit--ooops, meant to reply to OP!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:36 AM
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23. A stable Iraq would provide no excuse for an indefinite US presence.
Only by completely destabilizing the country could they provide that excuse.

Every action suggests such an aim. The failure to secure the existing munitions dumps. The constant insistence, from the very beginning, upon a bogus analysis that considered Iraqis as Sunni, Shi'ite or Kurd. The failure to establish a meaningful truth-and-reconciliation process that recovered and identified bodies from the mass graves of the prior regime. The destruction of popular national symbols, such as the museum and local archaeological treasures, that might have cemented national identity. The careful development of popular resentment, through the use of "security contractors" held accountable for no abuse of any Iraqi, through the deliberate torture of innocents at Abu Ghraib, through a carefully tested "Salvador option." Failure to control the border, so that a limited number of foreigners could enter the country to spread the ideology of suicide bombing (justified in the US under the heading "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here").

And now they sigh loudly that they guess we will need to stay for fifty years.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:14 AM
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21. ANOTHER 3-YEAR-TOO-LATE POWELL EXITS THE CLOSET
where were these "men of courage" when it would have affected their careers?

why were they not at the door of the media before 3500 americans, 500000 iraqi died?

the bush cartel does not need to spin this....
---because unless you clip the story and send it out...

THERE ISNT ANY MAINSTREAM MEDIA PRINTING IT....

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:31 AM
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22. It's interesting to consider WHY the Bushites made such "mistakes," and whether
they really were mistakes.

Consider Katrina. Deliberate, apparently malfeasant (and murderous) neglect. But then Halliburton gets the first no-bid contract.

Bush stands out front like a dumbo--eating birthday cake with McCain, playing a guitar--while an entire U.S. city is destroyed. We think he's stupid. Blame him. Mission accomplished.

And with Rumsfeld, I just don't think you can dismiss it as stupidity. He is not stupid. Remember his attitude toward the looting in Baghdad (freedom = the freedom to loot). That smug assertiveness, as if anyone would dare reply, "Are you kidding?" He knew what he was doing. Chaos is fertile ground for mafia-like control--the Bushites' M.O. (The sucker won't pay your "tax"? Get thugs to smash his store window and rape his daughter). And there may be even more to it--certain "missions" that needed to get "accomplished" in Baghdad, for which chaos was the best context. Finding and destroying paper trails (say, on dirty bioweapons deals with Saddam). Targeted assassinations of potential honest leaders. Blackwater torture and black ops teams fanning out through the city. Who knows? The incident of the four mercenaries who were shot, burned and strung up on the bridge--the news narrative excuse for the U.S. slaughter in Falluja--just after the Abu Ghraib photos were published, and the very, very odd story of Nick Berg's beheading in Baghdad, in May '04, point to some truly nefarious deeds being done. (I won't go into it, but suffice it to say that I think he had some connection to 9/11, and was killed both for P.R. reasons and because he had become expendable or a problem of some kind. The connection is through Zacharias Moussoui. Berg's email address was found in that computer--the one that FBI bosses in DC wouldn't let Colleen Rowley have FISA warrant to open, a month before 9/11. Then Berg turns up later in Baghdad? And gets famously beheaded on video? Very, very odd.)

In any case, I also have these suspicions about the Bushites' use of torture--that the mayhem of massive torture crimes and human indecency in the lower military ranks, colluded in by the top brass and Rumsfeld, and random roundups of perfectly innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere, who were treated so horribly (something you JUST DON'T DO if your object is an orderly society of friendly natives), may have been cover for other things. I do not believe that the purpose of Bushite torture is to "keep us safe" nor, obviously, to create orderly societies in Iraq and Afghanistan. And if it is not for those purposes, what IS it for? Again, covering up worser crimes, such as Al Q money trails to the Bush Cartel, torturing and eliminating witnesses, doing favors for business pals, planning other very dirty, covert crimes--all come to mind.

The matter of their favoring the fundamentalist Shias is also interesting. First of all, of course, the Bushites are "fundamentalists." They favor male, patriarchal fascism--bullying or violent control of others. The feminine principles of justice, equality, nurturing, diplomacy instead of force of arms, democracy, sharing, discussion, and the values of literacy and education are entirely lacking in the Bushites, and distorted and subordinated (sometimes violently) in Shia culture, by its practice of male dominance. (They may have communality, equality and some feminine principles at work AMONG MEN, but they don't extend to women, who are subordinate.) Both cultures--Bushite culture, and Shia culture--oppress women.

The Sunnis under Saddam were more egalitarian. Women were free of the veil and engaged in many professions. Civil society was in good order, well run. Education was highly valued. Teachers were well paid. Schools were secular. Iraq was a secular socialist state, in which the oil wealth benefited the professional and middle class. There were many engineers. All of this, as well as British colonial background and Soviet help, accounts for Iraq's advanced, modern culture, and its sophisticated weapons and military organization. But, for all this, Saddam was a dictator with territorial ambitions. (The Reaganites, Rumsfeld and Bush I colluded with Saddam, of course, to lead him along that path.) And he furthermore repressed the more populous, but less advanced, Shias.

Why would the Bushites want the Shias in charge of Iraq--their cultural similarities aside--especially given that the Iraqi Shias are religiously allied with Iranian Shias? It could be to create such trouble between the Sunnis and the Shias in Iraq--civil war (possibly helped along by mercenary black ops?), IN ORDER TO draw Iranians into the fight, to help their Shia brethren, and also to try to stabilize the country, which lay right on Iran's border. (Think if China somehow invaded Mexico and made a hash of it--would the U.S. not intervene?). And this would explain everything that Rumsfeld did and didn't do, and why he never intended to be a good occupier--because the ultimate goal was always to attack and invade Iran next. That is the grand prize. And they needed to frighten and stir up Iran, and push them to make a mistake, that could be blown up into an incident. The Bushites are still trying--with what appear to be largely phony items in the news about Iranians in Iraq, and Iranian weapons in Iraq. Laying the news narrative ground work for some concrete evidence or incident.

So-o-o-o, the intention was NEVER to a create society that worked, and only to create a government viable enough to sign away Iraqis' oil rights; a government that can only exist behind U.S. barricades. The goal WAS chaos--to draw Iran in. It's a no-brainer that all this could have been handled differently and much better. This, I think, is why it wasn't. It was not incompetence or ideology. It was by design.

I guess the final question would be, why is Rumsfeld out, if they are still following his strategy? It could be because Iran hasn't bitten. They are a defensive nation, not a territorially aggressive one. (In the big Iran-Iraq war, Saddam attacked them--a surprise attack.) So they just want to be left alone, and to defend themselves. That's why they want nukes. Easy, preventative defense. Not a costly and bloody war. Israel and the Bushites would like the world to believe that Iranian nukes are for a strike against Israel, and there has been some rhetoric that supports that (by a leader who now has reduced power), but common sense doesn't support it. It would be suicidal, for one thing. I think Iran, on the whole, is not suicidal. And they have never invaded anyone. Given this Iranian temperament, the trick would be to draw them into Iraq, with a civil war on its border. But Rumsfeld FAILED. Part of that failure may be that an attack on Iran is so opposed by China and Russia, and they have influenced Iranian leaders to be stoic and patient--which they are inclined to be anyway--and to wait out the U.S. disaster and withdrawal, then join with other Middle Eastern countries to straighten the mess out.

If Rumsfeld is out because he failed to widen the Mideast war to Iran, this does not bode well for the Bush regime's and the Democratic Congress' further intentions. Is Petraeus' and Gates' job to succeed where Rumsfeld failed? Is the U.S. "surge" not to stop the civil war but to exacerbate it, to draw Iran in?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 01:38 AM
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24. It's the common gambit of corporate criminials: "Oh, but your honor, I've been so incompetent!"
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:15 AM
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30. I had a boss famous for saying, "It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission". nt
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 02:15 AM
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36. I won't hold my breath waiting for these gangsters to ask for forgiveness
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 10:15 AM
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29. I'm with you on this. - Have been since the start. It's planned stupidity for duration's sake. nt
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 04:54 AM
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25. the reason post-war planning was non-existent is that the concept of "post-war" . . .
was also non-existent . . . they planned for this to go on forever, and they're getting their wish . . .
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 07:47 AM
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26. The Plan like that of Vietnam was always for a long sustained war
...in which hundreds of billions of dollars would be expended and trillions in Federal debt would be incurred while the ruling elite and their base would become obscenely rich and the rest of the American people as always would pay the costs and spill the blood of their sons and daughters husbands and wives friends and lovers and strangers.

It will end only when the American people have the collective will to say, "Enough, this must stop now", and then force our leaders to end it.
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Take_The_Red_Pill Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 09:13 AM
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28. Isn't genocide when people kill one another based on an ethnic basis?
Unless the definition has changed....don't want to alarm anyone....but WE'RE THERE!!!!!!!!
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 03:11 PM
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34. with all due respect to Ambassador Garner
he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about the first time, and I don't believe him this time, either.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 02:14 PM
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37. No spin needed; just ignore
This won't be covered by the corporate media, and besides, he's just an embittered failure who's saying defeatist things like this because he was fired.

I remember his line about being Americans and just having to suck it up. What a mess that little episode was.

They'll simply ignore it, and if it becomes true, he'll be guilty of making it happen by saying that it might. No problem; full speed ahead. Besides that, we just launched the Battle of the Bulge and it's going to solve everything.

Splurge on.
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BrokenBeyondRepair Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 02:17 PM
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38. success.. this is what they have always wanted
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